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Why would we do something like that? You do realize that we would be on the hook for the other half of his salary at over 3 mil for the next 3 years. No way, let him rot in Hartford.
People saying that Thornton was the only reason Seto was putting up points haven't watched him play. The guy has skills and he has speed and tenacity that I think would fit in well here. Its a depth issue in SJ more than anything and he had an ill-timed injury last season that slowed him down and kept him from playing the way he needs to in order to put up points.
I wanted Setoguchi before he broke out and scored 30 goals.
Haven't wanted him since.
No thanks. I wouldn't even trade Gilroy for him. Gilroy can be an extra throw-in, like a "thanks for your business, here's a fortune cookie", in a deal for a player that can actually play.
The only player on the Sharks that even remotely interests me is Pavelski. And since that isn't happeing, no thanks involving any deal with the Sharks.
This. This isn't even worth throwing Gilroy away for. I see no way we could win if we make this trade. Thank God it's just an Eklund rumor though.
Setoguchi is 23. I know the downturn in production is alarming, but it's way too early to write him off as another Cheechoo.
I think his production would fall through the floor if he ended up in the East. You line those two players' career numbers up and they are shockingly similar in decline. Everyone looks good on the Sharks for a couple years.
The Sharks may want a top 4 d-man and all, but I'm sure they know that they're not gonna get one in return for Setoguchi. Players like him, who once showed some promise but have since gone downhill, usually take one of three paths...
1. The team sticks with the player, hoping they'll at some point regain confidence and be effective again. It can be argued that Dubinsky fits in this group.
2. The team sticks with the player, but the player slowly falls further and further out of favor and eventually gets traded for scrap or waived (ala Prucha).
3. The team figures they'll get what they can for said player while he has some value. Usually the return in the trade is another possible reclamation project. Think York/Poti trade.
Under this criteria, Sharks have a few options. They can ride it out with Setoguchi, and see if he can turn it around as the season progresses. Or they can swap him for another reclamation project (Frolov? Gilroy?) while he still has some semblance of value. But what they are definitely not getting for him is a current top 4 defenseman.
Are we looking at this scenario as acquiring Seto for our top 6? Or our crowded regular 12 for that matter? One of our forwards would have to get waived and sent along for the ride. As for top 4 D, there is no way they will want Gilroy. They don't have the cap to take Roszival. Eminger seems like a great candidate but I imagine Sullivan is quite happy his boy found his game again and I doubt San Jose would take a UFA to-be for their young RFA to-be and I just have a hard time seeing us trading the other guys. I don't see this happening at all.
This. This isn't even worth throwing Gilroy away for. I see no way we could win if we make this trade. Thank God it's just an Eklund rumor though.
What? Gilroy is not NHL caliber. He will be on the Islanders or in the KHL next season, Setoguchi is 23 and has scored 30 goals, Sharks laugh at a Gilroy for Seto offer and we'd take it in a heartbeat...
The Sharks may want a top 4 d-man and all, but I'm sure they know that they're not gonna get one in return for Setoguchi. Players like him, who once showed some promise but have since gone downhill, usually take one of three paths...
1. The team sticks with the player, hoping they'll at some point regain confidence and be effective again. It can be argued that Dubinsky fits in this group.
2. The team sticks with the player, but the player slowly falls further and further out of favor and eventually gets traded for scrap or waived (ala Prucha).
3. The team figures they'll get what they can for said player while he has some value. Usually the return in the trade is another possible reclamation project. Think York/Poti trade.
Under this criteria, Sharks have a few options. They can ride it out with Setoguchi, and see if he can turn it around as the season progresses. Or they can swap him for another reclamation project (Frolov? Gilroy?) while he still has some semblance of value. But what they are definitely not getting for him is a current top 4 defenseman.
Terrible comparison. Dubinsky has improved every single season. For him to match his rookie point totals his sophomore year without Jagr on his wing is one heck of an accomplishment. He was never in a decline.
Terrible comparison. Dubinsky has improved every single season. For him to match his rookie point totals his sophomore year without Jagr on his wing is one heck of an accomplishment. He was never in a decline.
Fair enough. All I'm saying is that this year Duby has really stepped up his game to a whole new level, whereas in years past, his inconsistencies and hot/cold streaks drove some to wonder whether he had already peaked. It's clear now that he is only going to get better. The move from center to wing I think allowed him to be more of an aggressor and a goalscorer rather than the playmaker he was originally touted as.
Fair enough. All I'm saying is that this year Duby has really stepped up his game to a whole new level, whereas in years past, his inconsistencies and hot/cold streaks drove some to wonder whether he had already peaked. It's clear now that he is only going to get better. The move from center to wing I think allowed him to be more of an aggressor and a goalscorer rather than the playmaker he was originally touted as.
Fair enough. All I'm saying is that this year Duby has really stepped up his game to a whole new level, whereas in years past, his inconsistencies and hot/cold streaks drove some to wonder whether he had already peaked. It's clear now that he is only going to get better. The move from center to wing I think allowed him to be more of an aggressor and a goalscorer rather than the playmaker he was originally touted as.
He has 2 goals in his last 15 games. He's definitely improved again, but I'm not so sure it's as much as many are ready to claim. There is clearly still inconsistency. He still kind of disappears some games. Less than before, but it still happens.
The move to LW was certainly a good decision, though.
I would swap Frolov, other than that. Nope nope nope.
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Are they in line to get Redden first on re-entry? Or someone else could intersept?
Rangers are not going to keep Wade in HFD forever. They will put him out at 1/2 price at some point in time, but may want to get some value in return. Howeverer, should that be the case Eklund would have delivered that already.
Everyone gets a turn overproducing in SJ thanks to the elite talent but guys like Cheechoo and Seto are what they are now. I wouldn't want this trade. They'd prob want too much (A 2nd would be too much for me). Give em gilroy! That said it's Ek so it's bs.
