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It's not a matter of Enstrom being more valuable to his team than Enstrom. Enstrom won't get moved because Atlanta is on fire and making a playoff run. Hemsky is a valuable piece on a last place team.
Iginla is a valuable piece to Calgary but they'd still consider trading him if they continue to play poorly.
I will just give you two, Enstrom and Byfuglien. Right now, more talented than anyone on the Edmonton roster.
You think the Thrashers are more successful than Edmonton because of luck? Because they have better 4th liners? The Thrashers are a better team in nearly every measurable category there is right now.
Buff is having an awesome season so far. But, I wouldn't rate him above Hemsky yet. If he is still playing this well a year from now, I concede, but it very well could be just a hot season. Nothing in Chicago makes me think that Buff is a better player than Hemsky. Better in front of the net, yes, but better, no. He's playing d again so its hard to compare though. Enstrom is close, I would say he is as good as Hemsky. They are close.
It's not a matter of Enstrom being more valuable to his team than Enstrom. Enstrom won't get moved because Atlanta is on fire and making a playoff run. Hemsky is a valuable piece on a last place team.
So a team's performance affects how much a player will draw on the trade market? Quick, someone phone Lou and tell him he was an idiot. He apparently could have gotten Kovalchuk last year for pennies on the dollar because he played for a bottom-ten team! And Pittsburgh- man, what morons for trading what they did to get Hossa in 2007-08; the Thrashers were a lottery team and Marian should have only fetched a 2nd rounder and Alex Bourret.
I'll also be standing by ready to make the "Enstrom for my team's crap" thread the moment the Thrashers start to struggle. Because after all, that's what matters.
I think your really underrating hemsky and really overrating all of Atlanta's players. The only value BogosiAn has right now is that he was #3 overall. Sure he's developing, but your making him out to be like Doughty.
Hemsky is a two-way forward and a overall play maker and dangler. Probably has one of the best hands in the west( Dastyuk being #1). Hemsky will lead your team in points until all of Atlanta's prospects start reaching their potential. And, Hemsky will still be your top 5 point giver, because he's setting them up for the pass.
It's not a matter of Enstrom being more valuable to his team than Enstrom. Enstrom won't get moved because Atlanta is on fire and making a playoff run. Hemsky is a valuable piece on a last place team.
Iginla is a valuable piece to Calgary but they'd still consider trading him if they continue to play poorly.
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Originally Posted by Mr Bugg
So a team's performance affects how much a player will draw on the trade market? Quick, someone phone Lou and tell him he was an idiot. He apparently could have gotten Kovalchuk last year for pennies on the dollar because he played for a bottom-ten team! And Pittsburgh- man, what morons for trading what they did to get Hossa in 2007-08; the Thrashers were a lottery team and Marian should have only fetched a 2nd rounder and Alex Bourret.
I'll also be standing by ready to make the "Enstrom for my team's crap" thread the moment the Thrashers start to struggle. Because after all, that's what matters.
The anger is strong here.
Re-read. Not sure what you're responding to. I never mentioned Hemsky's trade value, only that he is more expendible.
Both fan bases are aggressively reacting to their respective player(s) being underrated. It seems to me this is mostly due to ignorance. Be honest, how many Oilers fans continually watch Atlanta and feel they are able to accurately evaluate Thrasher players? How many Thrasher fans can do the same for Edmonton?
You think the Thrashers are more successful than Edmonton because of luck? Because they have better 4th liners? The Thrashers are a better team in nearly every measurable category there is right now.
You don't think the fact that the Oilers play in the west, that has a collective 60-35-16 record against Eastern teams this year has anything to do with it? Only 4 teams in the western conference have losing records against the east.
Though it's funny you mention the reasons for their success this year, because there are those who've taken a close look at the Thrashers' season and "luck" seems to play a big part in it. It's certainly not because they're outplaying their opponents.
You don't think the fact that the Oilers play in the west, that has a collective 60-35-16 record against Eastern teams this year has anything to do with it? Only 4 teams in the western conference have losing records against the east.
Though it's funny you mention the reasons for their success this year, because there are those who've taken a close look at the Thrashers' season and "luck" seems to play a big part in it. It's certainly not because they're outplaying their opponents.
That's being disrespectful. Can we get a mod to close this.
You don't think the fact that the Oilers play in the west, that has a collective 60-35-16 record against Eastern teams this year has anything to do with it? Only 4 teams in the western conference have losing records against the east.
Though it's funny you mention the reasons for their success this year, because there are those who've taken a close look at the Thrashers' season and "luck" seems to play a big part in it. It's certainly not because they're outplaying their opponents.
Since Ladd was named Captain in mid-November, Atlanta's record is thus:
ATL 5- WSH 0
ATL 2- NYI 1 (OT)
ATL 5- DET 1
ATL 3- MTL 0
ATL 4- BOS 1
ATL 3- COL 2 (OT)
ATL 2- PIT 3
ATL 3- WSH 1
ATL 3- NSH 2 (OT)
That's good for an aggregate score of 30-11, and a record of 8-1, or, from an opponent's perspective, 1-5-3.
If that's not outplaying your opponents, I really don't know what qualifies.
That's being disrespectful. Can we get a mod to close this.
Wow. Of all the things I read on this board (especially in this forum, heck, in this thread) THAT is being disrespectful? And then asking for the thread to be closed because of it? Give me a break.
This thread isn't bad, its good for hockey, Atlanta do have fans, more or less, its just showing they know when not to mess around with a good team and I respect that.
Do I agree with all the proposals? heck no but vice versa, none the less, very interesting perspectives.
You don't think the fact that the Oilers play in the west, that has a collective 60-35-16 record against Eastern teams this year has anything to do with it? Only 4 teams in the western conference have losing records against the east.
Though it's funny you mention the reasons for their success this year, because there are those who've taken a close look at the Thrashers' season and "luck" seems to play a big part in it. It's certainly not because they're outplaying their opponents.
So having a hot goalie and a great PP is luck? We have taken care of our business with the West, and have played the league leading Capitals more than any team the league(and have a winning record against both).
But then again, maybe the Oilers are the superior team and the Thrashers are just lucky.....
I will just give you two, Enstrom and Byfuglien. Right now, more talented than anyone on the Edmonton roster.
You think the Thrashers are more successful than Edmonton because of luck? Because they have better 4th liners? The Thrashers are a better team in nearly every measurable category there is right now.
Though it's funny you mention the reasons for their success this year, because there are those who've taken a close look at the Thrashers' season and "luck" seems to play a big part in it. It's certainly not because they're outplaying their opponents.
I suppose it depends on how much stock you put in Corsi numbers as a predictor of success. It's obvious that the author of this particular article thinks highly of Corsi numbers. Others may not.
So having a hot goalie and a great PP is luck? We have taken care of our business with the West, and have played the league leading Capitals more than any team the league(and have a winning record against both).
But then again, maybe the Oilers are the superior team and the Thrashers are just lucky.....
Isn't the definition of lucky having of a hot goalie ? I like Pavalec, I think he is a promising no.1 starter but to assume he is going to maintain a 0.947 sv% and 1.71 GAA is a bit short-sited?
I don't think Ladd will continue his 1.00 PPG pace when was a career 0.46 PPG in 321 games prior or Byfuglien's 1.03 PPG as a defenseman!
I love that Atlanta is having a great season, I think it is fantastic they are playing well without Kovalchuk, no-one is saying the Edmonton Oilers are a better team, but to think this will be the standard play in Atlanta over the course of an 82 game schedule is a bit foolish (not meaning any disrespect).
Since Ladd was named Captain in mid-November, Atlanta's record is thus:
ATL 5- WSH 0
ATL 2- NYI 1 (OT)
ATL 5- DET 1
ATL 3- MTL 0
ATL 4- BOS 1
ATL 3- COL 2 (OT)
ATL 2- PIT 3
ATL 3- WSH 1
ATL 3- NSH 2 (OT)
If that's not outplaying your opponents, I really don't know what qualifies.
Shouldn't have to type anything else. Atlanta playing like a top team in the league for two months now. Don't even see the need for a Hemsky-type trade at this point.
