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06-20-2004, 01:45 AM
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Toronto says:Runners out, Baby Leafs in

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they've basically already booted the roadrunners out of town. It's kind of hilarious given that in order for the AHL leafs to move to Toronto the runners would have to leave on their own terms first. I don't want to be overly critical, but they've already given away the roadrunner's arena to the baby leafs. :lol Those leafs fans-they're what keep me going

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I think most of us are talking about the possibilty of this happening.

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I think most of us are talking about the possibilty of this happening.
ok. I guess I just got misled by quotes like "Our farm team can play out of Ricoh, and callups will be a breeze." you got to admit that's kind of , and maybe even a little , with the lingering possibility for . It just cracks me up how some leaf fans think their every wish is the duty of the general hockey world to fulfil.

Just as an aside, out of curiosity, do you, as a leafs fan, think that if the oilers had not brought their AHL team to the "armpit of canada" as some people call it, that any leafs fan would even be considering moving the babies to TO? Seriously, I cannot convince myself that this is happening for any other reason than to get the oilers out of town. Though the Leafs organization is spouting this travel distance stuff, you have to remember how PattyCake Quinn reacted when asked what he thought about the oilers setting the Runners in toronto. He was not too happy, to put it lightly. I don't want this to turn into yet another Everyone against Toronto debates, just want to know if you seriously think this would be happening if the aforementioned was true today.

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It can and will probably happen but not before the Leafs pay the Oilers to leave. Considering how hard the Leafs made it for the Oilers to move from Hamilton to Toronto, I don't expect the price tag to be low... good thing the Leafs are loaded.

It's a win-win for the Oilers but this won't happen before 2005-06.

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In fact, one source said yesterday that the Leafs and Edmonton Oilers, who use the Roadrunners as their main farm team, met in February to negotiate a deal that would have seen the the Leafs buy the rights to run the team. The two sides couldn't come to an agreement.
I actually wouldn't mind if KLo worked out some kind of deal to have the Baby Leafs move into Ricoh....... because you know Toronto would REALLY have to sweeten the pot for Kevin to give up the deal he has worked out in T.O.

KLo holds ALL the cards in this negotiation.........

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Can anyone see the runners playing games here in edmonton next year if all this lease problem doesnt sort itself out?

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Can anyone see the runners playing games here in edmonton next year if all this lease problem doesnt sort itself out?
No, the travel would be a bit too much as it's mostly an eastern league. I think that the Moose are the most westerly team right now.

Wouldn't it be cool if the Oil had their farm team in Regina and Calgary had their farm team in Saskatoon? They already have a huge whl rivalry between the Pats and the Blades, why not stir some BOA action into the pot?

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Every thread I've read about the road runners seem to appear that the oilers and their fans want to pinch money off of the leafs.

The oilers won't get a cent. You can bank on that.

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Every thread I've read about the road runners seem to appear that the oilers and their fans want to pinch money off of the leafs.

The oilers won't get a cent. You can bank on that.
How then do you propose that the Leafs obtain the rights to operate an AHL team in Toronto?

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The leafs will just move the team and screw the oilers. Nothing the oilers can do about it... but cry.. sniff sniff

There's an AHL rule that if you can't afford to pay rent for the arena or if you don't have a team in a city you lose rights to that terroritory. And if a team locates their AHL team to that new city, then the old team has to pay the New team for taking up the current arena lease and market.

So basically, the leafs are doing the oilers a favour by taking care of their obligations. So the oilers have to pay the leafs for not being able to hold onto their agreement by the AHL to stay in one city at a time. Hamiltion, Toronto, Edmonton.. all this moving around is really giving the league a headache, and we all expect the oilers to be fine. That money will be sent to toronto.


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The leafs will just move the team and screw the oilers. Nothing the oilers can do about it... but cry.. sniff sniff

There's an AHL rule that if you can't afford to pay rent for the arena or if you don't have a team in a city you lose rights to that terroritory. And if a team locates their AHL team to that new city, then the old team has to pay the New team for taking up the current arena lease and market.

So basically, the leafs are doing the oilers a favour by taking care of their obligations. So the oilers have to pay the leafs for not being able to hold onto their agreement by the AHL to stay in one city at a time. Hamiltion, Toronto, Edmonton.. all this moving around is really giving the league a headache, and we all expect the oilers to be fine. That money will be sent to toronto.
Sometimes I come close to giving Leaf's fans some credit with good guy's like Leafaholix, then a guy like this comes along and ruins all their credability... What you say may be true, but there are better way's to say it then you did, and based on how you said it... I highly doubt you have any idea what you are talking about.

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Hart_House you are way out coz the Oilers can easily afford to pay the lost rent and that would stick it to the leafs, since as the rent is paid the Roadrunners wouldn't get stripped of their rights.

Now having said that I read the Roadrunners have left, I personally think there is something that has happened behind the scenes here since the Oilers could pay that rent out of their own pocket and leave the leafs stuck in St Johns. Instead I think the Leafs have come to some form of cash agreement, although nobody would come out and tell you that.

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having said that i read this post
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yes we fringin did!! Here we are in an economic crisis in Newfoundland and to keep the team here we build a beautiful new area. But then and three years later we get screwed by Toronto. Thanks Toronto! Your so Nice!! If they go we better get a Q team
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There is nothing wrong with the fan base in St. John's. Sure we are averaging more than the Roadrunners and 10 other teams. We are even paying (or offering) and extra 200 000 to keep the team here.
interesting, eh?

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There are idiot fans

who cheer for every team. Sure this guy is a dummy but ne's no worse than some of the guys here who cling to Lowe's 15 year plan and won't talk about the Oilers lack of success until 2012

I'm pretty sure the Baby Leafs can't move until after the '05 season or if they did I'm thinking the city of St. John's would be in for a big payoff. As for the Oilers they turned the TO rights over to the A but whoever steps into the market will have to pay the Oilers eventually.

And the Oilers get to move their A team to the west and see how it plays

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The leafs will just move the team and screw the oilers. Nothing the oilers can do about it... but cry.. sniff sniff

There's an AHL rule that if you can't afford to pay rent for the arena or if you don't have a team in a city you lose rights to that terroritory. And if a team locates their AHL team to that new city, then the old team has to pay the New team for taking up the current arena lease and market.

So basically, the leafs are doing the oilers a favour by taking care of their obligations. So the oilers have to pay the leafs for not being able to hold onto their agreement by the AHL to stay in one city at a time. Hamiltion, Toronto, Edmonton.. all this moving around is really giving the league a headache, and we all expect the oilers to be fine. That money will be sent to toronto.
It wasn't the Oilers that didn't pay the rent.

Edmonton has given up the rights for a team in Ontario, but will still have to be compensated when another team moves in.

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The leafs will just move the team and screw the oilers. Nothing the oilers can do about it... but cry.. sniff sniff

There's an AHL rule that if you can't afford to pay rent for the arena or if you don't have a team in a city you lose rights to that terroritory. And if a team locates their AHL team to that new city, then the old team has to pay the New team for taking up the current arena lease and market.

So basically, the leafs are doing the oilers a favour by taking care of their obligations. So the oilers have to pay the leafs for not being able to hold onto their agreement by the AHL to stay in one city at a time. Hamiltion, Toronto, Edmonton.. all this moving around is really giving the league a headache, and we all expect the oilers to be fine. That money will be sent to toronto.
Not sure where you get your information from, but you couldn't be farther from the truth.

I don't know why the league would have a headache, there is still a team in Hamilton.

The Oilers own the territorial rights to Southern Ontario... the Oilers don't have to pay for the Leafs to move to Toronto and pay to have the lease transferred over because there is no current lease in place, hence the reason why the Oilers aren't playing in Toronto.

It usually helps when you have semblence of an idea about what you are talking about...

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Sorry that is not what Andrews said yesterday.

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The leafs will just move the team and screw the oilers. Nothing the oilers can do about it... but cry.. sniff sniff

There's an AHL rule that if you can't afford to pay rent for the arena or if you don't have a team in a city you lose rights to that terroritory. And if a team locates their AHL team to that new city, then the old team has to pay the New team for taking up the current arena lease and market.

So basically, the leafs are doing the oilers a favour by taking care of their obligations. So the oilers have to pay the leafs for not being able to hold onto their agreement by the AHL to stay in one city at a time. Hamiltion, Toronto, Edmonton.. all this moving around is really giving the league a headache, and we all expect the oilers to be fine. That money will be sent to toronto.
You might recognize that name he is the President of the AHL. He said the Oilers transferred the rights to the AHL but if ANY team wants to move to Toronto, Edmonton would be compensated. It was one of the many interviews they had locally here yesterday.

Laforge said the same thing.

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who cheer for every team. Sure this guy is a dummy but ne's no worse than some of the guys here who cling to Lowe's 15 year plan and won't talk about the Oilers lack of success until 2012
I guess that's me?

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I guess that's me?
Me too I guess I should have been impatient with the Sather era too? It took them five years to win the Cup and they had Gretzky.

Of course Sather left this team in wonderful shape.

I should expect Lowe to perform miracles

What a stupid fan I am.

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The leafs will just move the team and screw the oilers. Nothing the oilers can do about it... but cry.. sniff sniff

There's an AHL rule that if you can't afford to pay rent for the arena or if you don't have a team in a city you lose rights to that terroritory. And if a team locates their AHL team to that new city, then the old team has to pay the New team for taking up the current arena lease and market.
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That is not correct. Wherever did you hear this?

The area rights have been transferred to the league. When and if the Toronto area AHL rights are sold (to the Leafs or anyone else) they will be sold by the AHL and the Oilers will receive cas compensation. Patrick Laforge was explicit about this in an interview with Bob Stauffer yesterday.

I do think that the Leafs will probably move their team from St. John's next year, quite possibly to Toronto. My understanding from St. John's fans is that this is pretty common knowledge out there, most expect this to be their last season in NFLD. Perhaps the Leafs will try to make that move sooner, I don't know, but it would make sense considering the pending lockout situation in the NHL. Wouldn't have too dramatic of an effect on the AHL schedule either.

I assume that 04/05 is the last year of their lease in St. John's?

Edit: Oops I jumped the gun, others have already answered this kid.


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who cheer for every team. Sure this guy is a dummy but ne's no worse than some of the guys here who cling to Lowe's 15 year plan and won't talk about the Oilers lack of success until 2012
Man, it's a bleak reality, but I guess this is me as well. Always refreshing to hear your ( glass is 99.9% empty ) takes on the Oilers.
Just curious, for the benefit of the Leaf fans reading this thread, what you think their plan could possibly be.

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Me too I guess. Man how is it that Matts is the only one around here to have been born smart, and rest of us are dumbasses.

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You guys are oiler fans. What you guys say isn't really important anymore. Oiler fans don't really have any substance. Since you didn't make the playoffs you lose your legal right for us to take you seriously. We'll listen to you guys when you make the playoffs ok. j.k chill..lol


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