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12-10-2010, 08:28 AM
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I recall after the Zherdev trade happened, some people were quite ticked off that we shipped off Tyutin. A lot of us were high on his game (better yet, we were really high on the Danny G - Toots pairing) even though he seemed to struggle towards the end of that season and the Playoffs.

The general concensus at the time seemed that it was a 'good' trade as we needed a Zherdev type player but why couldn't Girardi be shipped off instead of Tyutin.

Do you all think the right move was made on keeping Girardi instead of Tyutin?

Seeing now the player Girardi has become, especially with the consistency he's been having so far this season overall - as well as his Defensive instincts in shot blocks and hits, I'm glad he was the Dman that was kept.

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They kept the right player, IMO. Girardi's been the Ranger's best defenseman this season.

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I don't think there was really a choice. Girardi was still a young d-man and wasn't anywhere near Toots level. The BJ's wanted a d-man who was more established and signed to a nice contract.

BJ's would have won the trade no matter who was shipped off, seeing as how that ***** Zherdev bolted for the KHL.

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Wouldn't have done the Z trade in the first place.

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Toots > Girardi, IMO, but it's pretty close. It's a tough comparison because Toot's role on CBJ is different than Girardi's on the Rangers even though they are similar defensemen.

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toots was just a healthy scratched with the blue jackets the other night. seems he may not be in favor w the staff. i wonder if there would be any way to snag him back. would love to replace rozi with toots.

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toots was just a healthy scratched with the blue jackets the other night. seems he may not be in favor w the staff. i wonder if there would be any way to snag him back. would love to replace rozi with toots.
del zotto was a healthy scratch last night, does that means hes fallen out of favor w/ the staff and is being offered around for cheap? just because tyutin had one night off doesnt mean the jackets coach hates him and their trying to get rid of him. thats a redicuous assumption imo

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I recall after the Zherdev trade happened, some people were quite ticked off that we shipped off Tyutin. A lot of us were high on his game (better yet, we were really high on the Danny G - Toots pairing) even though he seemed to struggle towards the end of that season and the Playoffs.

The general concensus at the time seemed that it was a 'good' trade as we needed a Zherdev type player but why couldn't Girardi be shipped off instead of Tyutin.

Do you all think the right move was made on keeping Girardi instead of Tyutin?

Seeing now the player Girardi has become, especially with the consistency he's been having so far this season overall - as well as his Defensive instincts in shot blocks and hits, I'm glad he was the Dman that was kept.
i wish that trade never went through, period. but hindsight is 20/20

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Toots isn't have a great season for whatever reason. But he's still one of their best d-men.

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toots was just a healthy scratched with the blue jackets the other night. seems he may not be in favor w the staff. i wonder if there would be any way to snag him back. would love to replace rozi with toots.
me too. I won't be shocked to see him come back since we could use a Lefty Dman. I would move Frolov and Gilroy if CLB would take it

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12-10-2010, 09:34 AM
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del zotto was a healthy scratch last night, does that means hes fallen out of favor w/ the staff and is being offered around for cheap? just because tyutin had one night off doesnt mean the jackets coach hates him and their trying to get rid of him. thats a redicuous assumption imo
Toots is 27 now... MDZ is 20. There are different levels of dislike when it comes to benching someone at a particular age.

And imo, I was always a bigger fan of Girardi. My issue with Tyutin was his lack of athleticism. Just seemed very stiff in the hips and it didn't allow for many mistakes. Something that is just going to happen. And other parts of his game weren't dominant enough to make up for it.

Still wouldn't have made the trade though. Was horrible asset management considering we got Zherdev for such a small amount of time and gave up a really valuable piece at the time in Tyutin.

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Toots is 27 now... MDZ is 20. There are different levels of dislike when it comes to benching someone at a particular age.
They were both benched for the same reason, not producing or playing to their abilities, their coach said that.

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Never liked toots, thought he was a little overrated here.

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obviously in hindsight it's easy to criticize this deal, but we made it at a time when our secondary scoring was really a question mark. Who did we have? Drury, Naslund, Gomez.... and we had just lost Jagr and Shanahan. Dubinsky and Callahan were still not fully developed. I think at the time it was definitely the right move.

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Also consider at the time it was still thought Zherdev could really break out. There was a lot of speculation, and not just by hopeful Rangers fans, that Z could be a PPG player in the league.

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Prior to this year I still would have rather had Girardi sent over. But he's really done a great job this year and been consistently good all over the ice. He basically did what I really wanted him to do which is just step up his game and keep it consistent.

Not sure how Tyutin has been in Columbus, but I still miss him on the Rangers in a lot of ways. He was always the best defenseman along the boards for the Rangers

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12-10-2010, 12:36 PM
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Prior to this year I still would have rather had Girardi sent over. But he's really done a great job this year and been consistently good all over the ice. He basically did what I really wanted him to do which is just step up his game and keep it consistent.

Not sure how Tyutin has been in Columbus, but I still miss him on the Rangers in a lot of ways. He was always the best defenseman along the boards for the Rangers
His hip checks were epic

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His hip checks were epic
agree totally, only d man who hit anything his last season....or as micheletti would say "thats the right call"
didnt like deal cause it was coupled with resigning rozy and signing redden.

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I bought a tyutin jersey about 4 months prior to that trade.

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I'd take Toots back in a heartbeat.

Staal-Girardi
Toots-Rozi
MDZ- Sauer

i'd take those d-pairings any day of the week.

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I'd keep Toots just because I miss calling him 'Toots'.

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I'd take Toots back in a heartbeat.

Staal-Girardi
Toots-Rozi
MDZ- Sauer

i'd take those d-pairings any day of the week.
I'd flip Rozsival for Toots. Sure Rozi is the better defensemen, but Columbus saves real money and they aren't hurting for cap space. We get cap relief and Toots back.

Staal - Sauer
Tyutin - Girardi
Del Zotto - Eminger

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I miss having Toots with the organization, and if he was available, I would definitely support trading Rosi for him.

To answer the OP's question, I don't think I would have made the deal period. I would prefer to keep Girardi around instead of Tyutin, very close though.

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interesting topic...
especially considering that they both sort of came into thier own when girardi came up and they immediately clicked together and for good portions of that half season
('07?) they were being hyped as the next #1 line, and for good reason. Losing toots had a negative effect on girardi but he's defiantely beginning to prove himself and i think they made the right choice.

i guess there could be an argument that toots is the BJ's best dman but is that really saying much? Who do they have Klesla, hejda, commodore, i dont even know who else they have. Even on that steaming pile of a blue line he's struggled and has indeed been scratched, last i checked he had like 3-4 points and no goals.

I'll take girardi's 14 points, plus numbers and his shot blocking ability which has him in the top 10 annually. toots is a solid dman with potential offensive upside but all things considered DG gives you more bang for your buck.

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Was not impressed with Tyutin's development (or lack of progression) in the season and a half leading up to his trade.... I was okay with the trade at the time.

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