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12-11-2010, 04:04 AM
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Melrose predicts Richards will be traded at deadline

...which is a relief, because now it's a lock that it won't happen.

*on espn podcast covering pacific division. Here is a link: mullet# Link only goes to espn home page. podcast is found under MEDIA about halfway down the page. Podcast for 12/10.

He goes on to cite the Bouwmeester non-trade and subsequent free agency walk as (paraphrasing) "the moment small market GM's learned that lesson".


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I hope he gets resigned he is too good a player to let go.

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Lol it's funny Melrose forgets to mention Bouwmester was highly unhappy in Florida and Richards is very happy in Dallas.

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This is definitely reassuring. Didn't he say Stamkos sucks.

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Lol it's funny Melrose forgets to mention Bouwmester was highly unhappy in Florida and Richards is very happy in Dallas.
It's immaterial whether Richards loves being here or not. The comparison is based strictly on Florida getting nothing for Bouwmeester when they failed to trade him and make the playoffs. Unless our ownership situation is fixed, we may not be able to retain Richards.

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Florida at least got a 3rd rounder and Jordan Leopold's negotiating rights. That's not nothing.

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What's a realistic trade that the Kings could offer up?

Stoll, Hickey and a pick?

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i hope he stays in Dallas

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What's a realistic trade that the Kings could offer up?

Stoll, Hickey and a pick?
Forbort and a 1st

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It's immaterial whether Richards loves being here or not. The comparison is based strictly on Florida getting nothing for Bouwmeester when they failed to trade him and make the playoffs. Unless our ownership situation is fixed, we may not be able to retain Richards.
Completely diffrent. Florida had no chance of resigning him if they didn't make the playoffs anyway. They got offers for him at the deadline I'm sure anyway and didn't pull the trigger.

Dallas regardless of what happens this season, still has a player who
1. Wants to stay in Dallas
2. Despite popular opinion, Dallas can still resign Richards with the money we have left

Melrose is comparing 2 diffrent situations and saying Dallas will trade him because of that.

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Completely diffrent. Florida had no chance of resigning him if they didn't make the playoffs anyway. They got offers for him at the deadline I'm sure anyway and didn't pull the trigger.

Dallas regardless of what happens this season, still has a player who
1. Wants to stay in Dallas
2. Despite popular opinion, Dallas can still resign Richards with the money we have left
Melrose is comparing 2 diffrent situations and saying Dallas will trade him because of that.
I heard the Melrose podcast and pretty much agree with what he was saying. The long term has to be kept in mind.

On your second point...at one time I thought that was the case, even without a new owner. Now, basically the only way I see him re-signing is with a new owner. I don't see a new owner being in place by the trading deadline. If that's the case and there are some serious offers on the table, not just decent/middling prospect + 2nd round pick, then I think you have to make the deal, regardless of the standings.

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Florida at least got a 3rd rounder and Jordan Leopold's negotiating rights. That's not nothing.
You're right. I forgot about that, but then again, it's obvious he'd have fetched more had he been dealt at the deadline.

I wonder though if Richards' NMC/NTC permits the Stars to trade negotiating rights to any team. Can anyone confirm?

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Forbort and a 1st
Too much man, too much.

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You're right. I forgot about that, but then again, it's obvious he'd have fetched more had he been dealt at the deadline.
Indeed.
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I wonder though if Richards' NMC/NTC permits the Stars to trade negotiating rights to any team. Can anyone confirm?
I believe he would technically still be able to block such a trade. But why would he do this? There would be no possible reason other than to spite the Stars. There would be no uprooting of his life, no obligation to do anything for the team who acquired his rights, nothing.

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Too much man, too much.
Not really.

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Too much man, too much.
would you negotiate from there or is it that bad to you?

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would you negotiate from there or is it that bad to you?
It's not bad at all. To give your division rival a real shot at the cup with Richards requires good pieces coming back to Dallas.

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Too much man, too much.
Good luck trying to get a 1st line center for anything less that that.

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Too much man, too much.
Forbort and 2 first round draft picks
or Forbort and a 1st and three seconds you pick!


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if he is traded for ownership issues... do you really think the Stars would take strictly futures?

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if he is traded for ownership issues... do you really think the Stars would take strictly futures?
Obviously not. Very few teams can fit $7.8M into their cap. But Stars fans think that the pieces that have any sort of value coming back will be futures. Teams who are in the position to get Richards aren't going to want to give up any sort of valuable piece of their current team for a rental.

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Obviously not. Very few teams can fit $7.8M into their cap. But Stars fans think that the pieces that have any sort of value coming back will be futures. Teams who are in the position to get Richards aren't going to want to give up any sort of valuable piece of their current team for a rental.
Kings' can...

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Kings' can...
yeah if the kings are the trading partnet i do expect little/no salary return

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What's a realistic trade that the Kings could offer up?

Stoll, Hickey and a pick?
A lot would hinge on Dallas's willingness to allow him to negotiate an extension beforehand.

If they did then the price could be pretty high. As a rental, the Kings would not play the same game New Jersey and Pittsburgh have in recent years. Very few GMs would, do you honestly think Lombardi and the Kings' ownership are among them?

If they let him seek an extension and everything looked good, then I think the Stars would probably start their asking price with Forbort and go from there. I doubt many teams are high on Hickey. There would have to be a filler contract to make the money work for L.A., hard to say if that would be any one of several guys that might include Stoll (if they wanted a pivot back), Handzus (if they wanted a stopgap pivot and expiring money, more sensible) or a defenseman (Scuderi or Greene, I guess).

I don't see Richards as being the answer for the Kings, he'd be an upgrade to be sure but at the trade value and monetary cost going forward I don't know that another 1A type center is what they are after. They need a sniper if they are going to break the bank.

The other thing people haven't really discussed at length for whatever reason is that the main reason L.A. is hesitant to go all in on anyone is the pending raises for Doughty and Johnson. Wouldn't it make a hell of a lot of sense then to dangle Johnson out there as the bait? I really like Jack--extremely talented, very confident ... he will put it all together--but you've got to give to get. If there is a real blockbuster, that's it, and it clarifies the picture a bit moving forward. I don't see that as being realistic, especially with a couple of decent sized deals ending this year (Sturm, Handzus, Williams) but you've still got to replace those guys in the lineup, give two guys big raises and add another piece according to most people following the Kings.

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Here is my trade proposal to the Kings
To LA
Richards
NISKANEN

LA gets a number one center!
Along with a young D man who works better with a true Offensive D man.


To Dallas
JOHNSON
and a second round pick 2011

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