I don't like Jack Todd and haven't read any of his articles since he used the Darkest Day in Habs' history to try to prove some kind of point. He comes across as a very bitter person.
I'm not familiar with Glenn Beck and by the way it sounds there is a reason for that. I've never been a fan of those types of personalities I guess.
I happen to like Don Cherry for his entertainment value. Although I haven't decorated any parts my house using his color schemes, he has given me some things to ponder. Joking aside I do enjoy the entertainment value he brings to the show. Whatever he says I take with a grain of salt and he's actually defended some of the boys (Habs) during tough times.
Asking boys and girls to fight a war that they cant win does strike a nerve with some people. Rich people spewing hate to make poor people believe that health care will mean giving someone else an entitlement that will drown the country does strike a nerve for many in the states opposed to fox news bile. Todd was raised an american and would be sensitive to the tactics of the right wing in the culture wars, and understandably so. Cherry is paid by a publicly funded entity yet takes his money like any true socialist but whines about pinkos. When is he going to say that one cannot be a hockey fan if one votes PQ or NDP?
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Wonder if Grapes will respond to Todd on Coach's Corner.
Why so serious Todd? Those comments must have struck a nerve.
Grapes is a joke. And sometimes he's pretty funny.
Asking boys and girls to fight a war that they cant win does strike a nerve with some people. Rich people spewing hate to make poor people believe that health care will mean giving someone else an entitlement that will drown the country does strike a nerve for many in the states opposed to fox news bile. Todd was raised an american and would be sensitive to the tactics of the right wing in the culture wars, and understandably so. Cherry is paid by a publicly funded entity yet takes his money like any true socialist but whines about pinkos. When is he going to say that one cannot be a hockey fan if one votes PQ or NDP?
I think you're giving Todd far too much credit.
Don probably called him a hack some time ago and Todd was probably harbouring resentment thereafter.
On CDN TV, Cherry can say whatever the hell he wants. Canadians can handle that sort of thing; with-out getting all hot and bothered. Who cares? Sticks and stones.
Now if Cherry were to go out and start beating people and acting out then things would be different. The diversity of views is what makes a good discussion. How interesting would Cherry be if he just spewed out neutral fluff.
We wouldn't even have this highly entertaining thread that's putting forward the inter-connectedness of sports and politics in our society.
He pretends to be this hockey expert. Knows it all. But meanwhile the way he ran the Mississauga Ice Dogs proves that isn't so. Bob Boughner and Warren Rychel got it right. Dale and Mark Hunter got it right. Cherry built one of the weakest and worst OHL expansion teams ever with all that "know how". He couldn't get it right.
Cherry "blue collar"? How many blue collar millionaires are there?
Shameless homer. Funny though how Boston is "we". Even Toronto is "we". When Montreal was the last Canadian team in the playoffs last year, they never became a "we" despite his claims that he would always support a Canadian team first. Funny how he is proud to be such a shameless homer
The man is a colossal phony. He is only there for the entertainment value that his shtick provides. I'm not so sure he realizes what a parody he has become. If he was clever enough to actually ride the wave knowing full well he is essentially the high ratings clown that the CBC can drag out once a week at 7:40 Saturday, I'd give him some credit. But this dope actually believes his own spiel.
Will CBC get rid of him? Not so long as people remain so polarized about him. The dolts that buy his crap will watch just to nod and drool between picking sessions on their banjo. Those that can't stand him will keep watching just to see what outrageous crap comes out of his mouth.
I am not a Jack Todd supporter but I loved that article.
And with all due respect, I don't think it is fair to disparage Americans who escaped to Canada to avoid being drafted to fight in the Vietnam war.
Of all the pointless wars to go die in, that one ranks pretty high.
It's not like he was a deserter in a conflict where America was in any way threatened.
Before judging him ask yourself what would you have done if you were an American of draftable age during Vietnam ? Would you have accepted being drafted to put your life on the line for a cause like that ?
He didn't dodge the draft.
He enlisted then deserted the army. A far more serious crime, and one that wasn't included in Carter's amnesty. Todd still isn't allowed back into the USA, so we are stuck with him here in Montreal, listening to him shoot his mouth off about hockey, a sport he is clearly completely ignorant about, and make ugly, cowardly personal attacks on various Montreal athletes and other personalities whom he dislikes. Once a coward, always a coward, Todd. Funny that one of the guys he always went after, Don Matthews, was a US marine who served in Vietnam and was decorated for valour.
It's funny how in Canada we have the luxury of not being drafted but whine when some guy is a deserter. Though I do know he enlisted which makes it even more stupid when you think about it that should be even more reason to allow him to quit. In the states the army is a job for a lot of people. It puts food on the table and gives their family cheap military housing. Either way though it's just funny because if we didn't have that luxury a lot of the same whiners on here who ***** and complain about Todd being a deserter would likely do the same thing. I can't prove it obviously cause it's hypothetical but I don't doubt depending on the war many people would desert.
I'm certainly not going to defend Don Cherry the human being, and I for one will be very upset if he is back with CBC next year but I will say one thing about him: His ability to predict the outcomes of games and seasons has been very, very good. I doubt very much that you will find very few pundits out there in any sport that comes anywhere near his track record for getting the winners right.
Sure, he gets things wrong and he's getting very soft in the head about the Leafs but he could make his living easily betting on hockey games, something I doubt any of you could do.
He enlisted then deserted the army. A far more serious crime, and one that wasn't included in Carter's amnesty. Todd still isn't allowed back into the USA, so we are stuck with him here in Montreal, listening to him shoot his mouth off about hockey, a sport he is clearly completely ignorant about, and make ugly, cowardly personal attacks on various Montreal athletes and other personalities whom he dislikes. Once a coward, always a coward, Todd. Funny that one of the guys he always went after, Don Matthews, was a US marine who served in Vietnam and was decorated for valour.
Half this country would desert if not more... The Vietnam war was completely pointless, the US sent lambs to the slaughter for no better reason than to run tests.
You're entitled to your opinion, but I suggest you move to the bible belt, where you can be surrounded by your peers.
This article seems to be written by a man who has a social conscience and sticks to his beliefs. Beliefs which many Canadians share.
I for one would dodge any draft to fight in a cause I dont feel right and if by some fluke of bad luck I was enlisted, I'd desert in a second. Don't get me wrong, if I feel the cause is just and there is no other way than to fight for my rights and the rights of my family I'd be on the front line, but never would I sacrifice my life and that of fellow countrymen for a cause that is based on greed, power and the like.
Anyway... Hockey or politics, not both... I'm done here.
I like this post. It rings true. You can be marginalized when you find yourself against the majority... and no one is more effective at it then organized groups of like-minded mutual admiration societies.
Either way opinions are just that... whereas issues are usually more complex than most opinions.
In this case, it's not even clear what Todd has a problem with. Is it:
1. Cherry is on TV
2. Cherry is on CBC and Todd thinks CBC should have a certain type of representative
3. Cherry is backing this dubious mayoral elect character from T.O
4. Cherry is a bad dresser
5. All of the above (aka Sour at "Sour Grapes")
I see Todd's attack as petty since Todd is using this subject to get more hits. (and Todd, himself, is not above using sensationalism to provoke readers - he is always in the weeds with smutty subjects)
Half this country would desert if not more... The Vietnam war was completely pointless, the US sent lambs to the slaughter for no better reason than to run tests.
You're entitled to your opinion, but I suggest you move to the bible belt, where you can be surrounded by your peers.
This article seems to be written by a man who has a social conscience and sticks to his beliefs. Beliefs which many Canadians share.
I for one would dodge any draft to fight in a cause I dont feel right and if by some fluke of bad luck I was enlisted, I'd desert in a second. Don't get me wrong, if I feel the cause is just and there is no other way than to fight for my rights and the rights of my family I'd be on the front line, but never would I sacrifice my life and that of fellow countrymen for a cause that is based on greed, power and the like.
Anyway... Hockey or politics, not both... I'm done here.
You don't seem to understand the Jack Todd situation so why are you commenting with this irrelevant stuff?
Todd was stupid and didn't even look out for his own best interests. He should have thought about the risks vs. benefits of every strategy. For example, he could have joined the Peace Corps. Many, many thousand of young American men avoided going to Vietnam by doing that. Furthermore, not every draftee was sent to Vietnam. Some were stationed in Germany or other European country or in peactime South Korea. He could also have enlisted in the US Navy or Coast Guard.
Yes he was stupid. He should have done what George W.Bush did: join the National Guard and then not bother to show up where he was posted. Still I don't condemn Todd for that youthful mistake.
Wonder if Grapes will respond to Todd on Coach's Corner.
Why so serious Todd? Those comments must have struck a nerve.
Grapes is a joke. And sometimes he's pretty funny.
-Teddy Peckman
Fixed to "hooked on Cherry phonics". F that was hilarious when he did that whole spotlight about giving the guy a proper nickname... mispronouncing his last name EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
Jack Todd and Don Cherry : two monkeys flinging poo at each other.
HF : which monkey do you prefer?
Gros Bill : IMHO, both monkeys stink equally and the odour in this thread is overpowering
Half this country would desert if not more... The Vietnam war was completely pointless, the US sent lambs to the slaughter for no better reason than to run tests.
Uhh you do know that it is a serious crime to desert even the Canadian Army??? You will go to jail for that in Canada also. Enlisting into military service (again NOT drafted) is a serious life decision, it is a major obligation you are undertaking and while in the military service your actions are even subject to a whole new series of laws that are outside the civilian legal framework. It is not just a simple job you can quit anytime you feel like it.
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This article seems to be written by a man who has a social conscience and sticks to his beliefs. Beliefs which many Canadians share.
No, the article was written by a buffoon who got trolled by Don Cherry. Sports writers really look foolish when they start offering up political commentary, and none is more foolish than Hack Todd. It would be pretty sad that you now feel obligated to stick up for a lowlife human being like Jack "criminal" Todd just cuz you like the NDP like he does. I'm not a Don Cherry fan, he knows a thing or two about hockey analysis but his gimmick routines are getting a bit tedious, but I still get lulz from watching people like you & Todd getting so excited when Cherry trolls them.
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I for one would dodge any draft to fight in a cause I dont feel right and if by some fluke of bad luck I was enlisted, I'd desert in a second. Don't get me wrong, if I feel the cause is just and there is no other way than to fight for my rights and the rights of my family I'd be on the front line, but never would I sacrifice my life and that of fellow countrymen for a cause that is based on greed, power and the like.
Fluke of bad luck? Yeah I hate it when I get the army recruitment centre mixed up with the SAAQ and accidently enlist in the army when I think I am signing up for my driver's lisence renewal!!
Sorry dude but deserting from the military has been considered a high crime for 1000s of years and not something to be done lightly. It's not the same as quitting your job at McDonalds because you have decided to become a vegetarian. You will go to jail for deserting even here in Canada which you seem to think is such a special country, in other countries you could get executed for deserting.
Uhh you do know that it is a serious crime to desert even the Canadian Army??? You will go to jail for that in Canada also. Enlisting into military service (again NOT drafted) is a serious life decision, it is a major obligation you are undertaking and while in the military service your actions are even subject to a whole new series of laws that are outside the civilian legal framework. It is not just a simple job you can quit anytime you feel like it.
I'm sorry, to be honest for some reason or another enlisted and drafted meant one and the same to me. My error, probably a french/english thing. Either/or, I would never enlist, I firmly believe there is always an alternative to violence.
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No, the article was written by a buffoon who got trolled by Don Cherry. Sports writers really look foolish when they start offering up political commentary, and none is more foolish than Hack Todd. It would be pretty sad that you now feel obligated to stick up for a lowlife human being like Jack "criminal" Todd just cuz you like the NDP like he does. I'm not a Don Cherry fan, he knows a thing or two about hockey analysis but his gimmick routines are getting a bit tedious, but I still get lulz from watching people like you & Todd getting so excited when Cherry trolls them.
"Criminal" all you want, I think he made the right choice and I like the article. As for Cherry trolling me, he stopped doing that in the 90s when I decided I wasn't gonna watch another game on CBC.
I think you need help, all this right winged conformist BS is messing with your noodle, you really should consider moving to the bible belt you would fit right in and probably feel a whole lot less angry.
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Fluke of bad luck? Yeah I hate it when I get the army recruitment centre mixed up with the SAAQ and accidently enlist in the army when I think I am signing up for my driver's lisence renewal!!
See first part of this post, yes there is a difference, I should've known, my bad.
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Sorry dude but deserting from the military has been considered a high crime for 1000s of years and not something to be done lightly. It's not the same as quitting your job at McDonalds because you have decided to become a vegetarian. You will go to jail for deserting even here in Canada which you seem to think is such a special country, in other countries you could get executed for deserting.
I'd rather go to jail than be forced into a war I don't believe in. Like Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan... 1000 years of killing people who want to turn their life around doesn't make it right even if it's the law.
We're not in the middle ages, although many people, like you, follow blindly and don't question the law even when it is completely wrong.
Anyway... politics or hockey? I don't like arguing with right winged conformists. Just like Cherry they attack relentlessly until they've beaten an idea into you.
