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12-14-2010, 11:12 AM
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Molsons paid too much for the Habs: Forbes.com

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/12...-thin-ice.html

pretty solid piece. Except for the Lightning comparisons, which are ludicrous, but hey! Still some interesting reading.

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Well, yes and no in terms of paying too much. Compared to the "average" franchise, yes, if simply using a revenue multiplier. However, like they mentioned in the article, a whole bunch of other factors, especially control of media content played a large role in driving up the price and getting BCE/Thomson and Quebecor in the mix. When viewed from that perspective, the price is not excessive, provided the team continues on a stable course and exchange rates hold, it's hardly a poor investment.

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all the credit goes to Gillet for everything he did to bring this team back

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Very interesting article.
Shows you that the real motive behind the purchase of the Canadiens francise was the appropriation of content, and to furthermore block Thompson and Péladeau of getting their hands on that content.

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Great article! Hats off to Gillet though, what a man! Think Molson's did a good deal and hopefully it will work out for them (us).

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I never got the impression that the sale was about financial investing, so much as something Molson wanted to do.

That said, I would suspect the financial gamble here is simply: Can hockey as a whole grow?

If the NHL does, the Canadiens continue to lead that train and Molson's investment looks like a good one. If hockey stops growing as a whole, then it's bad.

And by growing, I don't mean "beat the NFL" or anything crazy, just get bigger, which it has consistently since the lockout.

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all the credit goes to Gillet for everything he did to bring this team back
Not ALL the credit. The Canadian dollar deserves a lot of credit too.

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Not ALL the credit. The Canadian dollar deserves a lot of credit too.
The lockout didn't hurt either.

The NHL as a whole has become a lot more profitable since then.

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I still don't understand where the Molsons dished out the 140M$ up front though.
Not exactly pocket change.

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Not ALL the credit. The Canadian dollar deserves a lot of credit too.
ALL THE CREDIT lol nah but its just i remember when gillet first bought the team how much hate there was towards him because he was american and looking at everything he did for the team was just wowww

much respect to Mr.Gillet wish you all the best

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I still don't understand where the Molsons dished out the 140M$ up front though.
Not exactly pocket change.
people sure love their beer

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It made George Gillett Jr., the man on the other side of the deal, into one of the most profitable hockey investors ever.
lol gillet being sued for unpaid loans, he aint that profitable ;o

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Not surprising as mentioned content in the age of internet and cable tv is king. Habs are a household name across Canada etc. I still think it was a wise move that will pay off if they don't mess with the hockey side and let the hockey minds continue to build a strong team.

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lol gillet being sued for unpaid loans, he aint that profitable ;o
He's broke because of his Liverpool ownership. He has an outstanding 75m pound loan that he defaulted on.

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lol gillet being sued for unpaid loans, he aint that profitable ;o
agree with you
he made money with the habs but failed with liverpool

in general he "failed" with his money
Im sure he has alot of money in his bank account and wont need to work at McDonald

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I wonder if getting rid of Boivin won't prove to be the bigger mistake than slightly overpaying for a brand name like the Habs.

Gillet deserves the credit for seeing the potential and exploiting it but Boivin was the one who made it happen. Gillet (without Boivin) kinda stumbled badly in England with his football club.

The Molsons didn't overpay for the Habs especially if the NHL expands to Europe. Let's wait 9 years and see what the Habs are worth then.

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You have to keep in mind that Gillett's holding company may have defaulted on loans, but that doesn't make him personally liable or even mean that he doesn't have the money. Liverpool was unprofitable and he stopped servicing the loan but it doesn't mean he didn't have the means to do so. He is probably not in the same situation as an individual not paying off a bank loan since the loan was most likely made directly to the company, not to Gillett. Simply being sued or named in the lawsuit means nothing legally.

Businessmen investing in the sports world use far more leverage than cash. What makes the club even more of a winning investment for him is that Gillett bought the Canadiens with the assistance of a large loan from Molson.

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Now, the question that I ask is this: considering the heavy debt load and the personal cash the Molsons put in the adventure, is it possible that they will NOT allow Gauthier to spend the extra cash now made available on the cap?

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No, because they realize that playoff rounds equals money. Simple as that.

At some point, if the team is spending to the cap without any on-ice results, then yes I can imagine it being reconsidered. But until then, no. Especially not with a packed house in the stands each and every game.

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He's broke because of his Liverpool ownership. He has an outstanding 75m pound loan that he defaulted on.
i realized it had no correlation.

he did very well with the habs, thats for sure; reason why he sold it for such a steep price.

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I still don't understand where the Molsons dished out the 140M$ up front though.
Not exactly pocket change.
I would expect most of it came from the Molson/Coors merger and the sheer volume of family money they must have had before that.

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12-14-2010, 03:37 PM
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Maybe, but the Molsons got a chunk of their investment back when the Habs unexpectedly reached the ECF and took in revenue from 8 home playoff games.

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all the credit goes to Gillet for everything he did to bring this team back
Gee, you think the canadian dollar and the loyal fans had anything to do with it?

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Gee, you think the canadian dollar and the loyal fans had anything to do with it?
FYI, the building was not sold out prior to Gilett taking over the Habs and the lockout. The crazy marketing machine that the Habs are (under Gillett) brought back all those fans and even more. They have never been this popular.

Gotta give credit where credit is due. Fans don't appear out of thin air.

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I dont think molsons overpaid

gillette was financially in trouble and the only way he would cough up his cash cow that is the canadiens (well, he turned them back into a cash cow anyway) was if someone had a substantial amount of money to dish out (i remember hearing 600 mill and being sure i never heard of a team being bought for so much..but also proud)

molsons realized last year they made a mistake selling away their prize posession, not realizing at the time in 01 all you needed was a decent president and general manager and scouting team to turn it all around, not some crazy rejean houle hell bent on drafting quebecer after quebecer after quebecer looking for the next lafleur or roy

they thought icing a team full of quebecers/french canadiens would keep people happy and in the stands but times changed, and the city just wanted a competitive team PERIOD regardless of where the talent came from, and Koivu was a BIG help with that and i thank him forever for that. (kovalev too <3)

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It really tells you that Quebeckers really do drink a **** load of beer. lol.

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