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12-13-2010, 05:34 PM
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How would you rank our prospects at this point?

With the add of Bournival, Emelin back on the map and some recently drafted players doing pretty well, how would you rank our prospects? Also, I would include MaxPac to the list even if he doesnt have the HF criterias anymore, the kid still isnt established, has spent the actual season with the farm so... How would you rank our kids and do you think Habs should be now ranked higher in HF org. ranking?

I will try one:

Subban
Paccioretty
Leblanc
Eller
Palushaj
Bournival
Weber
Emelin
Bennett
Tinordi
Avtsin
Kristo
...


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12-13-2010, 11:43 PM
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Subban
Eller
Pacioretty
Leblanc
Weber
Palushaj
Kristo
Tinordi
Avtsin
Bournival
Bennett
Emelin


As far as I'm concern, Emelin is still in Russia and just gettin older each year... Kristo despite a bad start is still pretty solid, he is still a dominant player in College. I put Subban and Eller because they started in Montreal this year, for Subban we all know what he can do and Eller is getting more and more confident offensively each game. Pacioretty 3rd because of his domination in the AHL.

Still miss a lot of prospect though, I wont make the complete list because there is a lot of prospect I dont know enough to rank them.

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12-13-2010, 11:51 PM
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NHE, how can you put leblanc in front of Eller ? IMO top 2 are Subban and Eller and it's no even close....

Subban
Eller
Pacciorrety
Webber
Leblanc
Kristo (big upside)
White
Tinordi
Palushaj
Avtsin
Bournival
Bennett

edit : lol I forgot DD... Seems i'm not the only one tho


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12-14-2010, 12:31 AM
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yea deff woudlnt put leblanc in front of Eller...seems like the kid is getting better and better each game

really happy we picked him up and confident we will center our first line for years to come

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12-14-2010, 12:36 AM
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Subban
Eller
Pacioretty
Leblanc
Weber
Desharnais
Palushaj
Emelin
White
Carle
Krysto
Tinordi
Gallagher
Avtsyn
Bournival
Nash

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12-14-2010, 12:45 AM
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I'll try this:

Subban
Eller
Pacioretty
Weber
White
Leblanc

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12-14-2010, 08:36 AM
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Emelin would be low on the list, but this is a make or break summer. If we are to see him for an NHL career it should be this summer. If he signs for another 2 years then we probably will never see him unless the KHL falls to pieces.

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12-14-2010, 09:25 AM
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Subban
Eller
Weber
MaxPac
Desharnais
Palushaj
Carle
Leblanc
Kristo
White
Tinordi

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12-14-2010, 09:31 AM
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1 Subban
2 Eller
3 MaxPac
4 Weber
5 Leblanc
6 Desharnais
7 Tinordi
8 Kristo
9 Palushaj
10 White
11 Bournival
12 Gallagher
13 Carle

Lucky 13. I ranked them based on how valuable they would be to the team at their peak considering the team's needs

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12-14-2010, 09:50 AM
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Subban, Eller, Pacioretty are no longer prospects:

NHL Ready

1-White
2-Weber
3-Desharnais
4-Palushaj
5-Engqvist

Upside

1-Leblanc
2-Kristo
3-Avtsin
4-Nash
5-Bennett

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12-14-2010, 10:03 AM
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IMO (value to me in a trade situation):

Subban
Eller
Leblanc
MaxPac
Bournival
Weber
Tinordi
Palushaj
Kristo
White
Avtsin
Bennett
Emelin

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12-14-2010, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Kyle West View Post
Subban, Eller, Pacioretty are no longer prospects:

NHL Ready

1-White
2-Weber
3-Desharnais
4-Palushaj
5-Engqvist

Upside

1-Leblanc
2-Kristo
3-Avtsin
4-Nash
5-Bennett
I really like the way you presented yours. I agree for the most part about it. Seeing Kristo so far down on peoples lists to me is just crazy, I don't think he's a lock for the NHL but if he does make the NHL I see great things for this guy.

I do believe Pacioretty is a prospect until proven otherwise though.

All this having been said the top 5 upside picks are actually pretty damn awesome. If even one of those guys meets his projection we'll have one hell of a player.

Also wanted to ask cause I haven't watched the dogs this year, is Engqvist really NHL ready?

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12-14-2010, 10:20 AM
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Upside

1-Leblanc
2-Kristo
3-Avtsin
4-Nash
5-Bennett
no love for Tinordi...

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12-14-2010, 10:57 AM
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Subban and Eller are in a class of their own, I don't consider them prospects anymore as I don't see them going to the AHL ever again.

Leblanc
Pacioretty
Kristo
Avtsin
Tinordi
Emelin
Palushaj
Weber
Bournival
Bennett
White
Desharnais
Carle
Engqvist
Maxwell
MacMillan
Nash
Walsh
Gallagher
Conboy
Dumont
St-Denis
Stejskal
Quailer
Wyman
Fortier
Schultz
Ellis
Lefebvre
Pateryn
Nättinen
Trunev

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12-14-2010, 11:09 AM
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Also wanted to ask cause I haven't watched the dogs this year, is Engqvist really NHL ready?
Hard to say if he's "NHL ready", but he's about as close as I thought he'd be (we talked about him quite a bit a couple of summers ago). One thing I find encouraging is that he's playing pretty solid 2-way hockey as he gets his feet wet on this side of the pond. Sure, more points would be great, but at least he's maintaining a positive +/- in his bottom-6 role. If his skating/foot speed was holding him back as much as some suggested, I'd expect him to be forced into taking more hooking/tripping/interference/etc penalties (just 10 PIMs so far. Of course, maybe he just lacks "truculence"...). Also, in the food for thought category, Hamilton's PK is ranked somewhere around 7th in the AHL (was as high as 3rd), and at one point killed off 30 penalties in a row. The Wyman-Engqvist forward duo has/had a lot to do with that (with support kudos going to Desharnais-Russell).

That's still just the AHL level, I know. Was curious to see how his initial adjustment to North American hockey would go, and so far he has been steady yet unspectacular. On a similar note, absolutely no complaints about the play of Klubertanz so far either.

Oh, and since I can't resist, the "oil rig workers" (I kinda miss Major Circles) still haven't been proven wrong about Schultz's lack of a big league toolset. He still has a few years to put it together, but I'm believing the NHL 4th line plugger/instigator "upside" more and more each day.

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12-14-2010, 12:15 PM
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Eller
Subban
Pacioretty
Leblanc
Weber
Tinordi
Desharnais
Avtsin
Palushaj
White

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12-14-2010, 03:16 PM
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Subban and Eller are in a class of their own, I don't consider them prospects anymore as I don't see them going to the AHL ever again.

Leblanc
Pacioretty
Kristo
Avtsin
Tinordi
Emelin
Palushaj
Weber
Bournival
Bennett
White
Desharnais
Carle
Engqvist
Maxwell
MacMillan
Nash
Walsh
Gallagher
Conboy
Dumont
St-Denis
Stejskal
Quailer
Wyman
Fortier
Schultz
Ellis
Lefebvre
Pateryn
Nättinen
Trunev
I was awaiting for your list since I lost the link of your website.. Would you say its one of the toughest list to set up in years? There are alot intriguing prospects with some serious upside while some might be overrated a bit... A guy like Kristo isnt having a easy year so far but you know the skills are there.. A guy like Tinordi (first round pick) is obviously a very long shot with limited skills... Nattinen, drafted early, doesnt look very promising so far.. Ryan White's lack of speed might hurt him more than some people think at the NHL level.. I think Morgan Ellis could become a solid bottom pairing defenseman in the long run... Personally I think some prospects we dont know much could surprise in the long run, Ive a feeling our prospects pool is deeper than it appears..


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12-14-2010, 03:20 PM
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no love for Tinordi...
His upside isn't that high (Nash and Bennett can both carry the puck and run a power play) and he's not NHL ready.

But I do have lots of love for Big T, think that was a great pick!

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12-14-2010, 03:34 PM
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And Engqvist could be in the NHL now.

Great on faceoffs, blocks shots, tracks back, reads the game well. Long strides make him look slower than he is.

He's going to battle for Halpern's job soon enough.

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12-14-2010, 04:53 PM
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Subban, Eller, Pacioretty are no longer prospects:

NHL Ready

1-White
2-Weber
3-Desharnais
4-Palushaj
5-Engqvist

Upside

1-Leblanc
2-Kristo
3-Avtsin
4-Nash
5-Bennett
Good rating but having watched White and Deharnais this year I would have DD ahead of White regardless of Whitey's injury. Frankly he is a better all around player at his position than Weber is at least while Weber was in Hamilton. I don't know that much about Leblanc but I would move Nash ahead of both Kristo and Avstin.

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12-14-2010, 05:00 PM
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I was awaiting for your list since I lost the link of your website.. Would you say its one of the toughest list to set up in years? There are alot intriguing prospects with some serious upside while some might be overrated a bit... A guy like Kristo isnt having a easy year so far but you know the skills are there.. A guy like Tinordi (first round pick) is obviously a very long shot with limited skills... Nattinen, drafted early, doesnt look very promising so far.. Ryan White's lack of speed might hurt him more than some people think at the NHL level.. I think Morgan Ellis could become a solid bottom pairing defenseman in the long run... Personally I think some prospects we dont know much could surprise in the long run, Ive a feeling our prospects pool is deeper than it appears..
None of the lists are easy to put together as there's a fine line between many of these kids. One thing I do like is that we have so many long shots that are interesting, perhaps one or more will actually suprise and do something for us at the NHL level.

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As an outsider, I'm stunned to see how far Kristo has fallen on alot of the lists I see here. I know he's not having a great year stats-wise, but there's more to judging prospects than stats.

I don't know, I get the feeling Kristo is being sold short here.

*shrugs*

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Subban
Eller
MaxPac
Leblanc
Weber
Palushaj
Bournival
Avtsin
Tinordi
Kristo
Gallagher
Bennett

EDIT: Forgot Ryan White I always have a hard time ranking him because of what he brings to the table. He should be in the NHL right now sooo


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Is Bournival that far behind Leblanc? I'd rank them pretty closely. LL is a year and some months older than MB, and he doesn't seem to have that much separation. Granted, draft pedigree means something, but MB seems to have made up ground this year.

I really like Palushaj as a player with Hamilton, but not so much as a prospect. What role will he play as an NHL'er? He doesn't seem to have quite enough offence to make it as a scorer, and the Habs have prospects with better defensive reputations (Leblanc, Bournival, Dumont) and more size and/or toughness (Pacioretty, White) who seem to be better fits for a bottom six job.

I haven't seen Gallagher play, but going by his numbers and age, he seems to have an edge as one of the Habs' only truly offensive prospects, maybe along with Avtsin.


edit: I realize some of you folks have Leblanc and Bournival ranked closely, just responding to what seems to be the majority putting a lot of distance between them.

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