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12-18-2010, 09:45 PM
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Hmmm I think I'd rather have Prust. Higgins put up 3 poins in 12 games for the Flames with his usual level of physical play and defensive awareness however Prust is quickly becoming one of the leagues best utility enforcers/pest.
Prust was redundant on the Flames, and just because he is excelling in New York doesn't mean he would in Calgary... and while Higgins only had 3 points he was creating chances almost every shift... didn't help our moron for a coach put a snakebitten Higgins with Langkow and Kotalik, both of whom were also snake bitten

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12-18-2010, 10:04 PM
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Depending on what you are looking for in a second line center, Grabovski could be of use. Gunnarsson would also be a good #5 for you guys, he also possesses top 4 upside.

Would it be possible to nab a 1st rounder and a prospect for these two?

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12-19-2010, 12:50 AM
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Team honestly and realistically only needs a #3 pivot. Moving Bolland or new center up a spot doesn't really hurt the team much if everyone is healthy.

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12-19-2010, 01:12 AM
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Arnott and Andy Greene...I would like Kruger in return but that might be out of the question

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12-19-2010, 01:32 AM
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to Chicago:
Tim Connolly
Steve Montador


to Buffalo:
2011 2nd Round Pick (Calgary)
2011 4th Round Pick (Chicago)
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12-19-2010, 05:05 AM
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No need for a Trade. Let's see how Dowell does as #3 and let Johnson play #4. In the POs, we can take Sharp as #2. No need to give away anything. All we could need is a bottom Pairing D-Men that blocks shots and is good on the PK.


Boynton and a 2ne/3rd for Sopel and we should be finished (if no injuries happen)


Brouwer - Toews - Kane
Sharp - Bolland - Hossa
Bickell - Dowell - Kopy
Stalberg/Skille - Johnson - Pisani

Morin could be called up and where is a Place for Skille/Stalberg on this Roster? no need for a Trade

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12-19-2010, 06:26 AM
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Something around Connolly & Montador for Beach?

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12-19-2010, 09:13 AM
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what would BUF add? Why should we trade Beach for this?

Would also not work with the Cap.

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12-19-2010, 10:34 AM
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I'm so sick of the ignorance around here about Jokinen... people talk like he is the worst player in the league and how his contract is horrible... but the fact of the matter is Jokinen is a 2nd line cetner now and makes 2nd line money... he's not a bargain nor is he overpaid... and even when he isn't producing he is always working hard and solid defensively
Ya, but he's not a very good 2nd line center...

Jokinen: 17:40 mins/game
30 GP, 5 goals, 10 assists, 15 points, -6... 47.1% faceoff%
Hits: 27, Blocked Shots: 12, Give Aways/Take Aways: 18/22

In fact having trouble finding worse 2nd line centers around the NHL... I guess Conolly in Buffalo is having a year about as bad. Nielsen in NYI, Fisher in Ottawa is down but better defensively...

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12-19-2010, 10:45 AM
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In fact having trouble finding worse 2nd line centers around the NHL... I guess Conolly in Buffalo is having a year about as bad. Nielsen in NYI, Fisher in Ottawa is down but better defensively...
Nielsen is ridiculously under rated and his contract is an amazing bargain at only .525 mill a season u cant get much better then that.

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12-19-2010, 11:12 AM
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Ya, but he's not a very good 2nd line center...

Jokinen: 17:40 mins/game
30 GP, 5 goals, 10 assists, 15 points, -6... 47.1% faceoff%
Hits: 27, Blocked Shots: 12, Give Aways/Take Aways: 18/22

In fact having trouble finding worse 2nd line centers around the NHL... I guess Conolly in Buffalo is having a year about as bad. Nielsen in NYI, Fisher in Ottawa is down but better defensively...
40-50 points is an average 2nd line center... Jokinen is still on pace for about 40 after a slower start... like it or not by year end its extremely likely Jokinen will be in the 15g/50p range... which isn't bad for a #2 centermen

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12-19-2010, 11:37 AM
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40-50 points is an average 2nd line center... Jokinen is still on pace for about 40 after a slower start... like it or not by year end its extremely likely Jokinen will be in the 15g/50p range... which isn't bad for a #2 centermen
The numbers from last season bear out that 50 points is about completely average 2nd line production I agree.

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12-19-2010, 12:12 PM
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Hoped Sharp would have to be a numbers casualty, but CBH have worked hard and got lucky on Huet, so he PS isn't likely going anywhere, and he/Seabrook would be the two targets that might remotely be traded I'd be interested in acquiring.

Given I don't expect you to surprise me as to that, and given the cap which I don't expect will allow us to be trading partners anyway, what interest do you have in:
NYR Ds: all except Staal, MDZ:
NYR Cs: don't see a true match (Christensen a 3, not a 2, but might be close enough for you); Drury is too much $$$, NMC, etc.

Quick thought:
what would you want on top of Stepan + Boyle + Roszial
for Sharp + Seabrook?
{I'd offer Stepan + Boyle + Roszial + Girardi as very close, but don't think you work out that much cap --- unless you do the 4 for 2 and ship Rozi off to SJS...}

Campbell is a valued asset but he's overpaid.
Maybe Isles would consider Campbell for DiPietro + Streit?
That might be a win-win and help you short term to juggle your cap a little...

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12-19-2010, 12:23 PM
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12-19-2010, 02:19 PM
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Ottawa could trade Fisher and one of Campoli/Kuba to Chicago but they'd want Sharp back so that probably won't happen.

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12-19-2010, 04:09 PM
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The numbers from last season bear out that 50 points is about completely average 2nd line production I agree.
well the #31 to #60 centermen in terms of points last year ranged from 38 (Legwand/Reinprecht) to 57 (Stajan)... the average points between 31-60 in scoring was 47.767 points, so yeah just shy of the 50 you suggested... and Jokinen himself had exactly 50 points last season, good for 42nd in scoring among centermen... when you combine those offensive figures with a solid defensive game, a strong work ethic and good size... and you have at the very least an average 2nd line center

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12-19-2010, 05:15 PM
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For the umpteenth time, Dave Bolland is not, and will not be traded.

Stop with this nonsense. Ask yourselves, in a darken room, while walking in a forest, feeling a winter breeze, why wouldnt the Hawks have traded Bolland in the off season when they had to dump salary?

Now, think about that, and in yourself, you will find the answer.
Because we made a mistake. That's why.

We all believed (myself included) that he was going to continue his dominance in the playoffs through at least the rest of his contract, if not the rest of his career. Said dominance includes not being injury-prone.

So far, I have seen little evidence of any of that. Ladd would have been a better choice.

Hindsight is 20/20.

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12-19-2010, 05:36 PM
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Grabovski and Gunnarsson for Bolland and a later pick?
Definitely not, Grabovski's playing well and we don't need any more 3rd line players(maybe a 2nd on the leafs but still).

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12-19-2010, 05:40 PM
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To Toronto (at the deadline if the Leafs are way out of the playoffs):

Kyle Beach, Marcus Kruger, 3rd/4th round pick

To Chicago:

Grabovski, and Gunnarson

Many leafs fans would want something that makes us better now, but I think this is the type of deal the hawks would want to make.

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12-19-2010, 06:34 PM
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well the #31 to #60 centermen in terms of points last year ranged from 38 (Legwand/Reinprecht) to 57 (Stajan)... the average points between 31-60 in scoring was 47.767 points, so yeah just shy of the 50 you suggested... and Jokinen himself had exactly 50 points last season, good for 42nd in scoring among centermen... when you combine those offensive figures with a solid defensive game, a strong work ethic and good size... and you have at the very least an average 2nd line center
I thought you guys were talking about Jokinen?

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12-19-2010, 06:43 PM
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To Toronto (at the deadline if the Leafs are way out of the playoffs):

Kyle Beach, Marcus Kruger, 3rd/4th round pick

To Chicago:

Grabovski, and Gunnarson


Many leafs fans would want something that makes us better now, but I think this is the type of deal the hawks would want to make.





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Arnott & Greene or Corrente for Hawks 1st

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12-20-2010, 01:55 AM
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Polak would take a top 6 guy coming back, he's just too cap friendly and a force for our shutdown play that's been missed since his wrist surgery. However he should be playing by the end of January so his value might go up just in time for the deadline if he comes back strong. We'll have to move a d-man eventually to make room for all the young guys stealing ice time as the rapidly progress.
He really would be the perfect player for us. I believe him and Hjalmarsson could be our shutdown line. I'd be willing to give up quite the package for him given his salary.

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You want Barker back ?? Pleeeeeeease...... We'll take a couple of framed 8X10's of Toews holding the cup in return.

I'd actually be fine with the Wild moving Zanon. I like him as a player, but they need to move one of the 5 vet D they have under contract for next year and since it won't be Burns or Zidlicky that leaves Schultz, Zanon or Barker.
No, I'm sorry we don't want Barker back.

We would however love to get Zanon. Not sure what would work for you guys but it would probably be a second round pick and a prospect at the deadline and no, not Nick Leddy.

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Fisher and Campoli package perhaps
I wouldn't mind this but it's very unlikely given their salaries.

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Grabovski and Gunnarsson for Bolland and a later pick?
I'd take it in a heart beat to be quite honest. Gunnarsson is a real nice prospect and even so that we may have a lot of good prospects in our pipeline but would give us another Niklas Hjalmarsson-type that can play that sort of "new active stick-style" of play.

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Zannon seems like a decent fit for the bottom pairing. Don't think any of those centres are going to be available unless you're willing to overpay.
Well, if we're going to get someone might as well as go all out and really try to improve this team and compete. We're not that far off.

For example, for Stephen Weiss we would propose this:


Dave Bolland
Viktor Stalberg
Kyle Beach
3rd round pick

for


Stephen Weiss
Mike Weaver
Alexander Salak

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what would the Fisher Campoli package get Ottawa
Honestly, you would have to take quite a bit of salary and it may become too lopsided if we were to work out a deal. Chicago and Ottawa aren't terrific trade partners.

But I'll give it a go anyway:


Dave Bolland
Tomas Kopecky
2nd round pick (Atlanta)


Mike Fisher
Chris Campoli
Roman Wick

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Depending on what you are looking for in a second line center, Grabovski could be of use. Gunnarsson would also be a good #5 for you guys, he also possesses top 4 upside.

Would it be possible to nab a 1st rounder and a prospect for these two?
I think it would work but we couldn't give up a first round pick. Not with Grabovski's salary, at least I don't think. It would have to be a roster player and a 2nd, I would think.

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to Chicago:
Tim Connolly
Steve Montador


to Buffalo:
2011 2nd Round Pick (Calgary)
2011 4th Round Pick (Chicago)
prospect Chris DiDomenico
You do drive a hard bargain there, you really do but I really don't like Tim Connolly and I'm not sure when his contract expires. If it expires in a year or two, then it's a deal.

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Something around Connolly & Montador for Beach?
Absolutely not.

Now if you want to do Drew Stafford + Steve Montador + 2nd pick then we might have something. Even that would be pushing it.

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Ottawa could trade Fisher and one of Campoli/Kuba to Chicago but they'd want Sharp back so that probably won't happen.
Sorry, Sharpie's untouchable, at least in this circumstance.

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Cumiskey for a conditional pick (based on his play with the hawks).

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