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12-20-2010, 04:01 PM
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Not really, he already makes 3.5M, so we're looking at a 1.5-2M increase. When you combine Toews/Kane bonuses with the cap going up about 3M, that's 7M extra to spend this offseason. We'll be able to keep all our guys that we want to keep and sign/trade for one significant player or 2-3 pretty good ones. The Hawks are going to be in a really good situation cap wise this offseason.
You realize that in the scenario you just put forward the Hawks have $15 million in cap space left with 11 players signed?

Hardly consider that to be a "really good cap situation".

There is a slightly greater than 0% chance the hawks could successfully offer sheet Oshie, I guess that is greater than the 0% chance of trading for him.

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12-20-2010, 04:10 PM
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The kind that has a better, cheaper goalie than Niemi already in Crawford. Don't know where you think you're making a point here, it's not like Niemi is tearing it up this year.
Nor has / is Crawford. He had good AHL season out of five. THis season he has been ok.

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12-20-2010, 04:11 PM
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This is just a bad trade idea. Even if the Blues had no chance at the playoffs this season Oshie, Berglund and Perron are the types of players a rebuilding team would trade for not trade away. You don't trade 22,23 year old players for draft pick when you have more then enough cap space to resign them.

For a team like Chicago making offer sheets would be a bad idea when the team has a lot more cap space then they do. It comes back when they need to resign players.

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12-20-2010, 04:15 PM
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That is a good point, Hawks should talk to his agent in the offseason, Berglund's too. Hawks should pull a Dougie Wilson and sign one, see if St. Louis matches, then sign the other if they do.
lol go ahead and try, we will resign both of them and then poach Seabrook from you. I think your underestimating how much capspace the Blues have

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12-20-2010, 04:23 PM
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You realize that in the scenario you just put forward the Hawks have $15 million in cap space left with 11 players signed?

Hardly consider that to be a "really good cap situation".

There is a slightly greater than 0% chance the hawks could successfully offer sheet Oshie, I guess that is greater than the 0% chance of trading for him.
They'll actually have 20M to spend on resigning/replacing the following:

Kopecky
Brouwer
Stalberg
Skille
Dowell
Pisani
Johnson
Seabrook
Hendry
Boynton
Cullimore
Crawford or another cheap starter
Turco

Only the bolded are essential. The rest we could easily replace, although I'm not shutting the door on re-signing Stalberg and/or Skille but that wouldn't cost much anyway. Hawks could easily offer sheet Oshie or another center at 3-3.5M per season.

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12-20-2010, 04:28 PM
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Hawks could easily offer sheet Oshie or another center at 3-3.5M per season.
Offer sheets don't really work when you put it in a range where the other team would have to idiots not to match.

Oh and signing Seabrook to a 5 million a year deal leaves you at 15 million in cap with 11 players signed. (if the cap hits 62 million)


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If they don't make the playoffs this year, are they going to stick with the same roster? I read John Davidson thought they were a sleeper team to go on a long Cup run....before last season. Granted, he is a moron.
no one calls JD a moron.

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12-20-2010, 04:31 PM
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Seem good enough to be a 7th/8th seed, however, Perron is/was the only young forward elevating his game. The rest seem to have reached a plateau, granted all pretty young. At least you guys have Halak. St. Louis seems to have most of the pieces in place and last year I thought they were a playoff lock, but they just don't seem to be able to translate it into the standings. They need to mix things up.
Like firing their coach last year? Cause we did that. The only reason the Blues aren't near the top or at the top of the standings is because we got hurt. The Blackhawks have played four more games than the Blues. The Blackhawks have four more points than the Blues. You mad?

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12-20-2010, 04:32 PM
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Looking at the standings St Louis appears to be in just as good of a position to contend for the playoffs Chicago has 4 more points then the Blues and 4 games in hand is the Blues win 50% of their games they are tied with Chicago. 2 teams behind Chicago are just 2 points off and have played for less games is the those two teams win 1 game lose one in overtime they knock Chicago out of a playoff spot.

So is Chicago going to trade Kane or Toews since the may not make the playoffs this season? Chicago doesn't appear to have the depth or goaltending to win the cup so it's time to trade Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook and Hossa for picks. That logic makes as much sense as the Blues trading Oshie would....

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12-20-2010, 04:34 PM
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Ok. Here's a proposal for you.

Blues get:
-Keith
-Kane

Hawks get:
-6th round draft pick
-Coupon for free dinner at Golden Corral
-Free Blues t-shirt.

sounds like a fair trade right?

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12-20-2010, 04:34 PM
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They'll actually have 20M to spend on resigning/replacing the following:

Kopecky
Brouwer
Stalberg
Skille
Dowell
Pisani
Johnson
Seabrook
Hendry
Boynton
Cullimore
Crawford or another cheap starter
Turco

Only the bolded are essential. The rest we could easily replace, although I'm not shutting the door on re-signing Stalberg and/or Skille but that wouldn't cost much anyway. Hawks could easily offer sheet Oshie or another center at 3-3.5M per season.

You don't get it if Oshie was offer sheeted in the 3-3.5 million range it would be matched.......Anything the hawks offered would be matched....

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Spare me the violins, Hossa was looking like a Hart hopeful at the beginning of the year and has hardly played since. Kane is PPG+ player who has missed a decent amount of games as well. Especially when considering the cap situation we are in, to have these guys out hurts us more, but the team hasn't gone into the toliet because of it.
They've played worse than us. Points per game is a better measuring stick than pure points. We kinda sorta beat you there. But good try. Not to mention that we lost our leading goal scorer at the time, our leading points getter at the time, three top 6 defensemen for an extended period, our top line center, and then other smaller injuries (Petro, Johnson, Sobotka....) here and there. The reason that those two losses hurt you so badly is because you lack offensive depth.

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Ok. Here's a proposal for you.

Blues get:
-Keith
-Kane

Hawks get:
-6th round draft pick
-Coupon for free dinner at Golden Corral
-Free Blues t-shirt.

sounds like a fair trade right?
Send them some toasted ravs and thin crust pizza. Chicago needs to learn what good pizza/food is

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12-20-2010, 04:36 PM
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Hawks could easily offer sheet Oshie... at 3-3.5M per season.

They could... but they won't. A team like St. Louis(with a lot of cap space) could really make life difficult for Chicago and its RFAs. Also at 3-3.5 the Blues would easily match.

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Offer sheets don't really work when you put it in a range where the other team would have to idiots not to match.
True, but if we played Oshie and Berglund against each other, it would still put them in an uncomfortable situation like we were in with Hjalmarsson. They'd rather not pay both together 7M or more when they are just coming off ELC's.

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Send them some toasted ravs and thin crust pizza. Chicago needs to learn what good pizza/food is
I dont know if Id go that far, they got some really good pie up in the windy city.

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They could... but they won't. A team like St. Louis(with a lot of cap space) could really make life difficult for Chicago and its RFAs. Also at 3-3.5 the Blues would easily match.
You can have Seab's for 4 1st rounders.

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I dont know if Id go that far, they got some really good pie up in the windy city.
yea, I have to agree. I enjoy some stuffed pizza once in a while too. That's why I think a Golden Corral coupon would suffice.

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True, but if we played Oshie and Berglund against each other, it would still put them in an uncomfortable situation like we were in with Hjalmarsson. They'd rather not pay both together 7M or more when they are just coming off ELC's.

Then the Blues do the same exact thing to Seabrook and Brouwer except St. Louis actually ends up with one of Chicago's players while still being able to retain both Oshie and Berglund. Chicago isn't in a position of power here. Also you are making a fool of yourself in this thread.

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You can have Seab's for 4 1st rounders.

I think the Blues would be more interested in Brouwer.

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They'll actually have 20M to spend on resigning/replacing the following:

Kopecky
Brouwer
Stalberg
Skille
Dowell
Pisani
Johnson
Seabrook
Hendry
Boynton
Cullimore
Crawford or another cheap starter
Turco

Only the bolded are essential. The rest we could easily replace, although I'm not shutting the door on re-signing Stalberg and/or Skille but that wouldn't cost much anyway. Hawks could easily offer sheet Oshie or another center at 3-3.5M per season.
20 million to sign 13 players. Seabrook will be about 5 million Brouwer at 3 at least Dowell 2 million. Now you have 10 million to sign 10 players......you offer up 3 million on a player now you have 7 million to sign 9 players and one of them being a starting goalie. You will have a lot of players making the league min.

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Coldsteelonice84,

First. Oshie has played center in maybe 5 games in his NHL career. To show you what you're implying here are the centers on Chicago: Toews, Dowell, and Bolland. How does Chicago only have 3 centers that have played more than 4 games? It's because the position a forward is listed as is not always the position he plays. Watch the games instead of reading nhl.com.

Second, the Hawks have to sign 6+ forwards, 3 defensemen, and 2 goalies for next season. Going cheap on your bottom pairing and goaltending duo has not played out well this season. The Hawks are 6th in goals per game, and 23rd in goals against per game. Offense is not the problem.

Third, just stop.

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Ok. Here's a proposal for you.

Blues get:
-Keith
-Kane

Hawks get:
-6th round draft pick
-Coupon for free dinner at Golden Corral
-Free Blues t-shirt.

sounds like a fair trade right?
change that to applebees or something. Golden Corral's all you can eat buffet is worth at least Hossa as well

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They'd rather not pay both together 7M or more when they are just coming off ELC's.
That's a good point, I don't know how the blues will find the room to give out 4.5 million in raises to two players. Chicago's got them for sure.

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You can have Seab's for 4 1st rounders.
So your idea of signing Seabrook and then Oshie to say $3 million would leave the hawks with 12 million to sign at least 8 players. That's $1.5 million per player. Have fun with that. Now let's say you sign Berglund for the same deal, like you were suggesting. That means 9 million for seven players. Good luck. I can't wait to play you. Especially if you have injuries! And you wouldn't have draft picks in the first three rounds two years in a row. So once other people come due for raises, you'd be screwed. Now, the fact of the matter is that the Blues will have the space to match both deals, and this is all based on the assumption that they don't resign them before the deadline. Based upon the popularity of Oshie here, it is almost guaranteed that he will be resigned by then. Good try though

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