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06-22-2004, 12:02 AM
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A case for chipchura at 14?

I don't know, call me un-ambitious, or scared, or just plan unoriginal, but what if the oilers took Chipchura at 14? Picard is the only other player I'm really high on that I could see fall to 14(but he could also be taken before hand, who knows?). But the thing with chipchura is this...he's big, he's strong, he plays a gritty two way game, and was a lock for the top 10 before his offensive slump this year. I think he has a solid offensive game that will give you at leat 40 points a year, maybe more. But what's most attractive about chipchura is the character, grit, leadership, and work ethic he brings. He is a classic jaret stoll type prospect...he might not light up the world, but you know he's going to be an NHLer barring major injury. No player other than Olesz (and of course ovechkin/malkin) as I am high on as far as being a lock to contribute and play in the NHL for a long time.

And you know what? Given the unpredictable nature of the draft, and the fact that Ninimakki had a set back year and Pouliout didn't really break out, ensuring that you get a 1000 game career center with your first pick is a pretty solid way to go. What about the skill, you ask? We can always pick up a big boom, big bust scorer on our way back at 25, but something tells me that Chipchura will be a special player, if unspectacular. There's a lot of talk that the preds will take him at 15. Why shouldn't we take him at 14? I guess it's certainty vs. skill...and for my money (or for the oilers signing bonus money), I'll take the certainty.


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06-22-2004, 12:31 AM
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Mamettt, I agree Chipchura is a safe mid first round pick. I've seen Chipchura play and like his game but imo the Oilers have to gamble abit more on upside. I've just seen Bob MacKenzie's draft rankings on TSN and notice he pegs Travis Zajac at 14.

Zajac is a guy I might reach for. He has been a dominant player since bantom days in Winnipeg. Had similar numbers as Ladd at the same age in BCJHL. However Ladd opted for the WHL and put up a great season against better competition. What did Zajac do with another year in Salmon Arm ... up his point total to 112 from 52 the year previously.

Zajac has chosen a different route. He will benefit in a strong U.S. college program at U.N.D. and have four years to refine his skills. Look out, I don't think he will last beyond New Jersey's pick.

Back to your post, I guess for my money, the Oilers need to upgrade its top six skill. Whether it is Schremp, Picard, or a reach for someone like Zajac. Chipchura will be a nice pro and Nashville has done well by WHL players. I can see him going to the Preds and joining Dub alumnus like Tootoo, Hartnell, Hamhuis, and Upshall. He is a good, honest hockey player. It is a question about how much he can improve his offensive game. Just my thoughts...

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I don't know, call me un-ambitious, or scared, or just plan unoriginal, but what if the oilers took Chipchura at 14? Picard is the only other player I'm really high on that I could see fall to 14(but he could also be taken before hand, who knows?). But the thing with chipchura is this...he's big, he's strong, he plays a gritty two way game, and was a lock for the top 10 before his offensive slump this year. I think he has a solid offensive game that will give you at leat 40 points a year, maybe more. But what's most attractive about chipchura is the character, grit, leadership, and work ethic he brings. He is a classic jaret stoll type prospect...he might not light up the world, but you know he's going to be an NHLer barring major injury. No player other than Olesz (and of course ovechkin) as I am high on as far as being a lock to contribute and play in the NHL for a long time.

And you know what? Given the unpredictable nature of the draft, and the fact that Ninimakki had a set back year and Pouliout didn't really break out, ensuring that you get a 1000 game career center with your first pick is a pretty solid way to go. What about the skill, you ask? We can always pick up a big boom, big bust scorer on our way back at 25, but something tells me that Chipchura will be a special player, if unspectacular. There's a lot of talk that the preds will take him at 15. Why shouldn't we take him at 14? I guess it's certainty vs. skill...and for my money (or for the oilers signing bonus money), I'll take the certainty.

No one is disagreeing that Chipchura is one of the safest picks. But we have a Stoll in Stoll. I don't think we need another. We need high potential players. Guys that could put up 80-90 point seasons. Yes they are a bigger risk, but we have enough prospect depth. We need gamebreakers.

I am thinking one of Picard, Radulov (unlikely we will take him) Schremp or Wolski will drop to 14 and I would be happy with any of them. If they are gone I would look at Stafford, Korpikoski or Lisen.

And then go high risk again with 25 with Wheeler, Nokelainen, Sindel or Zajac (or one of the others I mentioned if they fall

One thing that is killing me is I trust Guy that we won't be taking a Russian early on and I think Radulov could be exactly the gamebreaker we need. Sux don't it.

I would really hope that if Radulov drops to 25 they would reconsider. Worst case is we get a high skilled player that we don't bring over for a few years until it is finiancially possible with the new CBA, one way of the other we will be able to afford it, whether it is through revenue sharing or as a new team in a new city with a rich owner.

I dunno but Radulov just screams Havlat to me...

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I wouldn't mind a Chipchura at 14, if (a)Picard is gone and (b)we take a risk at 25, like Sindel.

I agree that Radulov is an intriguing pick, but IMO, he reminds me more of Semin in Washington, while Sindel seems very much to be a Havlat clone.

If Picard is there, I think he is the concensus Oilers pick, even if I would have gone with someone more offensive, ala Radulov.

However, a safe pick like Chipchura at 14 is much easier to take if 25 is used on a riskier offensive pick.

Chipchura and Sindel would be a draft day success for the Oil, IMO.

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Although I wouldn't be mad if the Oilers drafted Chipchura at 14, I would be dissapointed, I'd much rather see the Oil come out of the 1st round with 2 guy's with top 6 potential, and IMO, Chipchura doesn't have that. Personally, I'd rather roll the dice on someone like Wheeler even over Chipchura, but that's just me.

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I highly doubt we draft him, even though I like him and if he was there at 14. But, he doesn't have much offensive upside as the others.

I think it will still be skill guy, I"m hoping Picard. He fits the OIlers' so well. Fast and he's got hands

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I don't think this is an unreasonable stance to take. We'd all like to see someone with great creative upside, the kind of talent that lifts you out of your chair, but these types of draft picks seem to be characterized by no-shows like Bonsignore, Kelly, Reisen, Heinrich, Mikhnov, et al. Chipchura may never light it up for anyone, but at least he'll be on the ice doing something useful. Having said that, when you've got two first rounders, may as well roll the dice at least once, right?

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Let me say this I have been around kyle in one way or another since he was young, I would prefer to see the oilers not draft him. He is a great kid very mature and poised definately confident, BUT I would be very leary of a player who in my mind peaked in bantam, everyone has been consistently catching up to him ever since bantam and he even seemed to regress a bit in junior this year. If he is around at 25 then take a chance on him, but not at 14. IMO he is as big a risk as anyone.

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I don't think this is an unreasonable stance to take. We'd all like to see someone with great creative upside, the kind of talent that lifts you out of your chair, but these types of draft picks seem to be characterized by no-shows like Bonsignore, Kelly, Reisen, Heinrich, Mikhnov, et al. Chipchura may never light it up for anyone, but at least he'll be on the ice doing something useful. Having said that, when you've got two first rounders, may as well roll the dice at least once, right?
I guess my question would be why not take the skill guy at 14, and maybe even 25, and then pick Brent, who to me reads similarly to Chipchura but 2 years older, at 44 (or maybe even 25 if you are that sold on him)?

I'm not particularly familiar with Brent, but I've heard it said that he's similar in some ways to Stoll, heard the same about Chipchura, etc,just an idea.

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Brent is honestly a waste of the #44 pick...

If you are taking Brent, I'd take him at the earliest 3rd round, but probably 4th.

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Brent is honestly a waste of the #44 pick...

If you are taking Brent, I'd take him at the earliest 3rd round, but probably 4th.
fill me in, not necessarily disagreeing, just wondering what you dislike about his game.

Pretty good OHL numbers:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...011442004.html

Not a team player, too cocky, no defence, etc???

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Basically he is a poor man's Jarret Stoll... both play a very similar game, but I think Stoll out-right is a better player.

The Oilers don't really need another player in the mould, and I certainly would be going with 2 skaters in the 1st round and a goalie in the 2nd, meaning that if Brent was available in the 3rd, I'd take him (unless you see something else you like there), or if you pass on him in the 3rd, I would take him with the 4th.

His offensive upside isn't that high, and he's just another what we already have a lot of, so if you don't get him in the draft, you aren't really losing much.

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fair enough, thanks for your opinion.

I hadn't realized he was only 5'11", for some reason I had though he was 6'2"?

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fair enough, thanks for your opinion.

I hadn't realized he was only 5'11", for some reason I had though he was 6'2"?
Don't get me wrong, he'll probably be a decent NHLer, but I have Stoll for sure pegged above him, and from what I have seen of Brodziak, he is above him too, so I don't see really where Burns sits as I think he'll probably be a 3/4th line centre.

I certainly wouldn't gun for him or pick him with the first 3 picks, but our 4th and 5th pick (3rd/4th round) would be alright in my books.

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I feel Chipchura's offensive abilities have not quite yet broken though. At the U-18 tournament, he quarterbacked the power play and put up some stunning numbers. The guy can score (first half of the WHL season for instance), but he has not yet found his extra gear - but he has it!

I see him as something like another Rod Brind'amour.

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There's a lot of debate over this, to be sure, but I think if you can look at the 8 or 9 picks you have in a draft, and regardless of what happens with numbers 2-9, if you can say...well at least we got an 1000 game player out of our first one, that's still a relatively succesful draft. Add in maybe one or two more NHlers out of that pack, and you can say that it was an excellent draft. Getting chipchura early and ensuring that is nothing but a positive in my mind. Plus, as Mizral says, Chipchura's offense is still in question. Juniors numbers can be misleading at times, and not just in the sense that players always score well there. Anyways, I trust Lowe will do the right thing...but chipchura's grit/defense/leadership, plus what I feel is still an underatted offensive game, would be hard to pass up if I were drafting at 14. But who knows?

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Chipchura at #14, no doubt about it.

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Any chance Lowe trades down to pick Chipchura (we could have a third Chopper and Chipper, lol)

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Maybe the Oil will move Chimera to the rw, we could have the Chopper, Chipper, Chimmer line.


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