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01-10-2011, 04:48 AM
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Keep it up DiesIrae , you aren't fooling anyone with your Eurasian studies non-sense . Trust me, I would recommend you don't post non-sense anymore you won't like what happens next!

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Obviously you have some insight, and you have more credibility than the average north American know-it-all about Russia and its politics, but you should not speak with absolute certainty.

Your exchange program was obviously useless if you really believe:



The everyday corruption of Russia is just about the fact that people are down to earth and dont care to hide it because everyone is involved. Okay, so you can bribe a cop out of a speeding ticket...whatever

Corruption has nothing to do with some grand scheme of some people trying to 'impose their power and instill fear' into society. Thats hilarious.
hmmmm. no.

I did not say "corruption" I said "corrupted society".

my point was this, they openly and brashly engage in what they do.

You're doing critical investigative reporting? well we're going to gun you down.

Oh you're a (innocent) perfect family to kill and put on our terrorists quota list.

torture innocents? america does it, so **** yeah!

$70 billion makeover for the kremlin when everybody is starving? why not!

protesters? die!!!!!!!!!! how dare you question the will of the great leader!!

deeee-mohh-crrrrrraa-cy? wtf? **** that! I am not giving up power. result: 93.1% oh ****!!!!@!@!!11!!!11one!!!

putin endorsed this candidate! do you think he will lose?

bomb apartments? why certainly sound like a wonderful idea! (then we kill the detractors who actually have morals.)

reporter: "...how can you say this when in chechnya, the russian army is killing hundreds and thousands of peoples"
Putin: (full answer) "In moscow we are multi-confessional. we have over 150 peoples. I can arrange to have you circumcised."

.............


its no secret how messed up things are. and thats my point. it does instill fear because people feel helpless and scared.

Even according to a ****ing RIA poll people doubt that medvedev is anything but a puppet. I lol'd at that.

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01-10-2011, 11:51 AM
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Ok I had enough of you

Since I like a bit of research, I like to read you became my new research project.
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economics major, criminology minor.
I will probably (90% sure) be getting a career in the government since I've already interned with the dept. of veterans affairs and I'm in the intern-to-employment program. my top choices would be dept. of foreign affairs, dept. of finance, dept. of national defence, Statcan, or CSIS.
From the thread, “What field are you in/entering?” (Date 01-08-2011)
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thanks little vladimir for your "insights"
As a Eurasian studies major I don't take anything a layman says on this subject seriously.
how about first you read, "Beyond the Monolith: The Emergence of Regionalism in Post-Soviet Russia" (co written by my dept. head).
then you might get an understanding of the issue.
'til then, keep up your pro-gazprom nonsense and they might just put you in public relations.
Wait a second, how can you study Eurasian Studies and Economics/ Criminology, maybe you have one degree already?

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took an LSAT prep course last summer. but that was just a litmus test for 2 years from now.
Wait, now you want to go to law school? I guess there is 10% chance for law considering you are 90% sure of working for the government


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take myself way too seriously and i look down on most people.
comes from my egomaniac over-educated snob parents I guess. In their entire lives they've never once conceited an argument about anything to anybody. ones a lawyer the others a scientist.
funny how i recognize its stupid but i still do it. wonder why that is....
From the thread, “What's your worst character trait? (Date, 11-06-2010)
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When I turned 18 (summer of 09') me and my dad went on a three week 934 km bicycle tour of europe. we started in southern france (toulan), to italy, took a train under the alps, then continued into southern germany then finished in the czech republic.
From the thread, “Im Backpacking Europe!” (Dated, “11-21-2010”)
Oh wait, wait a minute you are 19? All at the grand old age of 19 you have; studied in Russia, have a Eurasian studies degree, now studying economics and criminology while planning to work for the government by interning and possibly take law? Unless you turned 18 in 1909 you are full of it and yourself.

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01-10-2011, 11:53 AM
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What you are talking about has nothing to do with the KHL, you use any excuse in every Russia thread to bring this kind of **** up. I don't know why any one pays attention to you here.

And honestly, I don't understand your obsession with bashing Russia constantly. Has your western utopia ran out of problems that you need to focus on ours? Why are you coming into other people's houses and telling them their curtains are ****? You do realize you are talking to a bunch of Russian posters here right? If you only knew who some of the people in this forum are, you would feel like a giant ass right now.

You remind me of a guy I met in Moscow at a party in the early 2000s. His name was Paul Klebnikov. He was was a journalist at the Russian branch of some ****** western paper. He was the offspring of czarist Russians that fled Russia during the revolution or something like that. He had Russia allll figured out of course because he had a fancy doctorate from an English university. Had alll this "great insight" into communism and the jews and how Russia would have been SOOO much better off if the Whites won the revolution, blah blah blah. Any way, he got gunned down on the street not too long after that. He was the only one who didn't see it coming. I guess they don't teach that at the Universities in England.

People like you are why Russians went from revering the west during Communism to despising it today. For a person who travels to Russia, you play a dangerous game. I really hope you aren't this vocal in real life as you are on the internet.
First of all not russia bashing. What, are you afraid of the truth? I did not turn this into a political debate, it was the result of me and piotr, so don't just blame me.

secondly I know a lot about russia. I never said all. But I know a hell of a lot more than most people.

I'd like to know what I have said is "russia bashing"

and cool story about that guy.

If you thought I was some dumbass who didn't know where you all stand then wonderful for you! I know your type. there are russians who refuse to take reality because they are massively insecure. then there are russians who are literally scared ****less and sickened by the state of things. and then there are russians who just don't give a **** and live their life, (although they numb it with many destructive activities, bathtub vodka anybody?)

oh and BTW I've met the russian ambassador to Canada, the president of the parliament EU, a minister from practically every country in the FSU (all except tajikstan and azerbaijan), and I have been to guest lectures by dozens of professors visiting from Russia, and at the EUSP.

even the ambassador said (it was in a lecture) that there are many improvements to be made in human rights and democracy in russia. THE ****ING AMBASSADOR!!!

so none of you are going to convince me that I'm wrong because I know you're nobodies who have never met the ambassador or people powerful like this.

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Ok I had enough of you

Since I like a bit of research, I like to read you became my new research project.



Wait a second, how can you study Eurasian Studies and Economics/ Criminology, maybe you have one degree already?


Wait, now you want to go to law school? I guess there is 10% chance for law considering you are 90% sure of working for the government



Well are you ready to take yourself less seriously?

Oh wait, wait a minute you are 19? All at the grand old age of 19 you have; studied in Russia, have a Eurasian studies degree, now studying economics and criminology while planning to work for the government by interning and possibly take law? Unless you turned 18 in 1909 you are full of it and yourself.
I find this disturbing. but i laugh at you the same time. you must have a thrilling life! there is no possible way you can know the truth about my education, so I will leave it at that.

what I have said about myself on the internet has very little to do with the issue at hand. I could be a 13! maybe I'm 27! maybe I'm about to die!

when people can't address the substantive issues at hand and instead go to red-herrings and personal degradation (on the ****ing internets!) wow you must be insecure.


PS. watch out tmrw I'm going to post that I have a degree in engineering and am 31! itl be the highlight of your "internet research project"

ahhhhh you just made my day man.

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I find this disturbing. but i laugh at you the same time. you must have a thrilling life! there is no possible way you can know the truth about my education, so I will leave it at that.

what I have said about myself on the internet has very little to do with the issue at hand. I could be a 13! maybe I'm 27! maybe I'm about to die!

when people can't address the substantive issues at hand and instead go to red-herrings and personal degradation (on the ****ing internets!) wow you must be insecure.


PS. watch out tmrw I'm going to post that I have a degree in engineering and am 31! itl be the highlight of your "internet research project"

ahhhhh you just made my day man.
So basically you are a liar, glad we cleared that up .


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Oh snap! This thread just experienced an ownership of epic proportion.

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I find this disturbing. but i laugh at you the same time. you must have a thrilling life! there is no possible way you can know the truth about my education, so I will leave it at that.

what I have said about myself on the internet has very little to do with the issue at hand. I could be a 13! maybe I'm 27! maybe I'm about to die!

when people can't address the substantive issues at hand and instead go to red-herrings and personal degradation (on the ****ing internets!) wow you must be insecure.


PS. watch out tmrw I'm going to post that I have a degree in engineering and am 31! itl be the highlight of your "internet research project"

ahhhhh you just made my day man.
Well no bud. This is onviously not 'personal degradations'.
You back your arguments up with the fact that you are knowledgeble and have experiences , studies, and met with a bunch of high profile figures. Now that Finchster uncovered that you are a sick liar no life on the net acclaiming himself through things that never happened, we understand that youre just some random dude who probably doesnt know ****, reads an article or two now and then, and developes these enormous aoxims about Russia.
You really are a loser.
If you wanted to 'address the substantive issues at hand', you would not have created this elaborate fake background... shame on you

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What do you exactly mean? Something like how much money would be needed to buy them? If so, I'd say they are worth zero as it's extremely unlikely that anyone would buy them, at least concerning top teams and near future.
The only one that would be even remotely interested is True North Sports and Entertainment. I suppose it wouldn't be all that expensive to TNSE to attempt buying a KHL team, along with its VHL affiliate, and bring it to Winnipeg.

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Back on topic gentlemen.

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If, say, True North Sports and Entertainment wanted to purchase one cash-strapped, KHL team, with the intention of bringing it to Winnipeg (its VHL team, if any, would be somewhere else in Canada) and had $40-50M to do it, what teams could be within that price range?

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I don't get why anyone should buy a team, when potential city could just form a new team and just join the league.

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I don't get why anyone should buy a team, when potential city could just form a new team and just join the league.
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If, say, True North Sports and Entertainment wanted to purchase one cash-strapped, KHL team, with the intention of bringing it to Winnipeg (its VHL team, if any, would be somewhere else in Canada) and had $40-50M to do it, what teams could be within that price range?
So that means have a KHL team play in Canada?

in that case it would not be about owning a team or financing. I think it would be too far. People always complain about AMUR, and apparently it struggles from being so far away, and it is in Russia. I couldnt imagine a team all the way from Winnipeg. Although it for example at least 5 teams would be secured, maybe one in Tokyo, then a far east conference is totally possible.

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So that means have a KHL team play in Canada?

in that case it would not be about owning a team or financing. I think it would be too far. People always complain about AMUR, and apparently it struggles from being so far away, and it is in Russia. I couldnt imagine a team all the way from Winnipeg. Although it for example at least 5 teams would be secured, maybe one in Tokyo, then a far east conference is totally possible.
Agreed, a team in Canada would make no sense for a variety of reasons.

As for the Far East, I read there was some interest from Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk to have a team. They need to build a new arena first. If they did have a team, at least teams could play a second team rather than flying that distance for one game.

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So that means have a KHL team play in Canada?

in that case it would not be about owning a team or financing. I think it would be too far. People always complain about AMUR, and apparently it struggles from being so far away, and it is in Russia. I couldnt imagine a team all the way from Winnipeg. Although it for example at least 5 teams would be secured, maybe one in Tokyo, then a far east conference is totally possible.
More like a far-east division. Khabarovsk, Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, Pyongyang, Shanghai and Tokyo (hypothetically)

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Agreed, a team in Canada would make no sense for a variety of reasons.

As for the Far East, I read there was some interest from Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk to have a team. They need to build a new arena first. If they did have a team, at least teams could play a second team rather than flying that distance for one game.
Then, how much would it cost anyone interested in moving a team to Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk to purchase a team? That's an example of what the very first post meant.

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More like a far-east division. Khabarovsk, Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, Pyongyang, Shanghai and Tokyo (hypothetically)
Say what?


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Then, how much would it cost anyone interested in moving a team to Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk to purchase a team? That's an example of what the very first post meant.
You wouldn't move a team there. You would invest in local infrastructure in a partnership with the local government, big business or both and start a brand new team representing the area. This would include building a KHL size arena, and other rinks and facilities in the city/oblast. This would also now include having a MHL team and VHL affiliate. So not only are you building up the physical infrastructure from the ground up, you would also be running two professional teams (KHl and MHL) and responsible for the system that develops younger players; running, equipping and housing numerous junior development teams, eg. Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk - 95 Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk - 97, etc. You would be doing all of this with out expecting to see any profit for 10 years. If you are a big enough business, and have the blessing of the government, a lot of it or all of it can be a tax write off. This is one of the reasons big companies can run their KHL team at a loss indefinitely. As long as they are making money in their primary business and have to pay taxes, might as well spend the money on a hockey team and local infrastructure.


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You wouldn't move a team there. You would invest in local infrastructure in a partnership with the local government, big business or both and start a brand new team representing the area. This would include building a KHL size arena, and other rinks and facilities in the city/oblast. This would also now include having a MHL team and VHL affiliate. So not only are you building up the physical infrastructure from the ground up, you would also be running three professional teams (KHL, VHL and MHL) and responsible for the system that develops younger players; running, equipping and housing numerous junior development teams, eg. Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk - 95 Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk - 97, etc. You would be doing all of this with out expecting to see any profit for 10 years. If you are a big enough business, and have the blessing of the government, a lot of it or all of it can be a tax write off. This is one of the reasons big companies can run their KHL team at a loss indefinitely. As long as they are making money in their primary business and have to pay taxes, might as well spend the money on a hockey team and local infrastructure.
That ought to explain a whole lot of things about how KHL teams can afford to pay players NHL-esque salaries while keeping ticket prices more affordable than many tickets to NHL games.

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I define as mafia because I didn't expect I would have to get into the very long and complicated history of it. (I have a 41 page essay by the professor of russian studies at oxford about the rise of the FSU if you want it.)

all of them are controlled by individuals or groups who illegally obtained their wealth and power. as someone mentionned, some, like Vitjaz, are simply more obviously owned by criminals.



first of all, do you think truth should be avoided? secondly, do you think critical analysis or ignorance is a moral obligation of citizens? thirdly what do you call the 90's in the FSU? the happy days? get over yourself.

Any chance I could get that essay you mentioned? You can email it to me at vangregs@hotmail.com. It's an interesting topic I am thinking of doing some more research myself on.

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