i am not sure why you would describe playing 30 seconds more as eating up TOI while 30 seconds less is getting 3rd pair minutes.
30 seconds is one more shift.
He is on our bottom pairing no matter how you sugar coat it. I am not sure why you bother to pull out stats, from one game no less, to prove your point.
Can we have all 6 guys get exactly 20 TOI each. Yes. And he is still on our bottom pair even if he gets a second more than the others.
Do you expect to see him and Erskine out at the end of games for Ovi's ENGs? Rarely to never is what I expect. Its not a slight against him, he may be our best d dman. Its time for the kids to learn.
He's playing a valuable role, and bringing exactly what they expected of him at the time of the trade. Great trade, even before Fleischmann went down with injury and was scoring in bushels.
Given the signings over the course of the year (Green, Poti, Erskine, Schultz, Carlson, Sloan are signed to 2011-12 contracts) and with Alzner the lone RFA in the mix, I expect the Caps to let Hannan walk unless he's interested in taking a hefty discount... and I think the market would still be kind to this guy. He should be able to get $3M a year and term (three years plus).
He is on our bottom pairing no matter how you sugar coat it. I am not sure why you bother to pull out stats, from one game no less, to prove your point.
Can we have all 6 guys get exactly 20 TOI each. Yes. And he is still on our bottom pair even if he gets a second more than the others.
Do you expect to see him and Erskine out at the end of games for Ovi's ENGs? Rarely to never is what I expect. Its not a slight against him, he may be our best d dman. Its time for the kids to learn.
I think my point is that he was bottom pair when he was on the top pair, using your definition. Hannan plays 16-18 minutes per game no matter who is partner is. He is the Caps top pk defenseman, no matter who is partner is.
He's playing a valuable role, and bringing exactly what they expected of him at the time of the trade. Great trade, even before Fleischmann went down with injury and was scoring in bushels.
Given the signings over the course of the year (Green, Poti, Erskine, Schultz, Carlson, Sloan are signed to 2011-12 contracts) and with Alzner the lone RFA in the mix, I expect the Caps to let Hannan walk unless he's interested in taking a hefty discount... and I think the market would still be kind to this guy. He should be able to get $3M a year and term (three years plus).
I think its time to open up the possibility that Poti is finished. If not finished, significantly damaged. His groing seems to be acting just like Sutherby and Clark.
He cant stay in the lineup.
I am not saying its likely, but it may be possible that Poti's groin is going to open a roster spot and a budget line for Hannan to remain.
If it goes bad, he's still going to be a 35-40 games guy, spread over the season. He's not going to open $3M in roster space, though. He won't retire after signing that contract and his injuries are not of the sort that keep him out for two-month stretches, which is what you need to free up significant LTIR money.
If it goes bad, he's still going to be a 35-40 games guy, spread over the season. He's not going to open $3M in roster space, though. He won't retire after signing that contract and his injuries are not of the sort that keep him out for two-month stretches, which is what you need to free up significant LTIR money.
i need an understanding of his injury that requires more information. information that the caps wont provide. i just wonder if there is not a surgery in the coming future for him.
i agree that he won't be retiring. that said, if it becomes clear that his groin is not going to allow him to play, he will play out his contract on LTIR.
he sits out four weeks. plays 4 games and then is back to IR.
I expect him to be in and out of the lineup a lot until the contract ends, but rarely for more than a month at a time. That's on the long end for those sorts of ailments.
He's been ok. I know he's not much of an offensive defenseman but I think he has maybe one assist to his credit. Takes some bad penalties, but his shot blocking ability is key.
Hannan's been exactly what we needed (since around Christmas) Still need another one, imo, but he's definitely been a positive veteran presence, who doesnt make many mistakes, that the team needs!!
I loved hearing how he called for a players only meeting after a recent loss. Shows he's got heart and hustle. oh and here's a bonus for those who remember:
I'd resign him for less than his current contract. I'm not sold on Poti ever being a reliable member of the blue line, so I would be sold on the following pairings moving forward:
Carlson - Alzner
Green - Hannan
Shultz - Orlov / Erskine
Poti / Sloan
Sure, I'd love to not have to rely on Sloan EVER...but assuming that Orlov could be a 3rd pair puck mover in a year or two, I'd be really comfortable with Alzer, Carlson, Green, Hannan, Shultz, and Orlov as the top 6 with Erskine as the 7th....
I don't see Hannan signing a deal for less than 4 years at a cap hit of $4 mil. I have no doubt someone will give him that and there is very little chance the Caps can afford that unless they rip up the blueprint in the offseason.
Hannan has been exactly as advertized. He plays a very conscientious defense-first game, solid on his feet but not really a bruising player.
Hannan is where transition goes to die, and there should be no surprise there. He doesn't merely not contribute to the offensive game; he stops the breakout. He gets the puck, and he calmly chips it out. He doesn't make strong first passes to spark the offense. He never has done so. This is the player he has always been, and it's a player the Caps needed to add to their stable. It's a great fit for the type of defensive game Boudreau decided to play, stifling in the neutral zone but also generating little in the way of transitional offense. If Boudreau ever decided to run and gun again, then Hannan would continue playing the way he does now, and would be something of a liability. He plays one way.
He's going to do well this summer. It probably won't be in Washington, but that is due to the cap. They are pleased, I have to think, with his game so far. Healthy or not, Poti on a three-year deal makes it unlikely they keep Hannan.
the wild card is poti. i think its very possible that poti is approaching the no longer able to perform catagory. he just can't skate anymore. i think there's at least one chance in three that poti plays out his contract on LTIR and effectively retires. If that happens, cap space for hannan would open up and i'd expect mcphee to want to replace poti with a veteran.
its probably more likely that poti limps along taking up a roster spot, but i do think there is a reasonable chance that he is finished.
You talk more about needing information (post #56), but then turn around and predict he ends up permanently on the DL. The likelihood is that he's in and then he's out for the length of that contract. There has been no indication that he's faced with a career-ending incident.
It's tempting to think he's going to be a convenient LTIR boon, because that would be great for the cap, but that's reading a heck of a lot more into his condition, which has not been published. All we know is that he's been out a month or so.
You talk more about needing information (post #56), but then turn around and predict he ends up permanently on the DL. The likelihood is that he's in and then he's out for the length of that contract. There has been no indication that he's faced with a career-ending incident.
It's tempting to think he's going to be a convenient LTIR boon, because that would be great for the cap, but that's reading a heck of a lot more into his condition, which has not been published. All we know is that he's been out a month or so.
i saw that. its your opinion, not information. right? i want to see him play. til he plays again, i think its possible....like i said one chance in three...that there is something career threatening at hand.
i agreed that its more likely that he is an in and out player for the duration of his contract. i said that. but one chance in three says its more than that. i see a player with a severe injury. one that he has taken to the west coast for a specialist. one where his most recent attempt to return to the lineup was set back by a hard skate before he was even able to practice.
1) He's not going to play again and will spend three years on the LTIR, essentially career over (this conveniently averts an awkward Washington salary cap management pickle); or
2) He's injured, it's taking a while to heal, and he's hobbled but going to be in and out of the lineup or else back and playing for long stretches, however well, for three years.
Using the fact that the team hasn't alerted the media as to Poti's condition (and this team never talks to the media if it doesn't have to do so) to predict a catastrophic career-ending injury is a stretch and a half.
Until we hear otherwise, Poti is signed for two years and on the books.
Last edited by Drake1588: 02-22-2011 at 10:43 AM.
Reason: Poti is signed for two years, not three years
Until we hear otherwise, Poti is signed for three years and on the books.
Isn't it 2 more years?
Oh and I agree that Poti isn't likely going LTIR anytime soon or long term. He's out there working before practice and doesn't look too far away. How long will he last when he makes it back? I don't know but they seem far from either rapping him bubble wrap until next season or sending him for surgery.
Clever!! 
