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12-28-2010, 12:43 PM
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Imagine if we upgraded PAP with UFA Tim Connolly and Schremp with UFA Brooks Laich, and then had Okposo upgrading Sim. If the Isles don't sign Roloson, Wisniewski, PAP, Martinek, Gervais, Konopka, and Schremp, they have a lot of money coming off the books. I would get Moulson and Grabner signed. But you can throw a collective 9 million at Connolly (not Kevin) and Laich and outpay the market and get these guys for 4-5 years.

Let's say De Haan and Poulin have good camps, you can go into 2011/12 with:

Moulson/JT/Connolly
Comeau/Laich/Okposo
Grabner/Nielsen/Bailey
Martin/Haley/Hunter

Streit/MacDonald
Eaton/Hamonic
Mottau/De Haan

Bench: Reese and Hillen

Goalie: Poulin/Boucher (another UFA), assuming DP has c-men in his knee.

Put a guy like Granato behind the bench who has now learned under Bylsma and you have a playoff team.
Granato is not a good coach.

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Not every offensive player needs to be Guy Carbonneau in his own zone...fans sometimes label a guy as a "bad defensively" very early on and it just sticks with them.

Is Robbie going to win any Selke Trophies in his career? Of course not...but there's no reason why he cannot continue to improve in that area and, at least, just make sure he's adequate enough to keep his spot on the team and put up 50-60 points...I hope he sticks around.

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Granato is not a good coach.
What makes him bad... he was coaching was way too young in his career, he is only 46 after being given jobs in his 30's

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...I think a lot of people forget this guy has only 71 games of NHL experience right now. Seems like he's been around the league a lot longer than that but he's got less than a full season of experience under his belt at this point. No reason to think he cannot become better in ALL aspects of the game as he matures as a player. In any event, it's not like we have a stable of good young players waiting to take his job right now so let him play and see where you are at seasons end.

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What makes him bad... he was coaching was way too young in his career, he is only 46 after being given jobs in his 30's
You know, I take some of that anti-granato attitude of mine back after taking a minute to read up on him. I just remember him having a really bad year when that team just didn't perform for him at all when they rehired him. That's bad sign number one in my eyes, plus they underperformed in the playoffs (yes I know the isles would be happy just to make the playoffs, but not with that guy as coach).

I think the islanders need someone that demands respect and accountability due to his track record. I wouldn't roll the dice on a guy like Granato, betting that his tutleledge under Bylsma would pay off. However, the reality is the Isles can't be too choosy, b/c i'm sure that the well to do coaches won't coach on the island for this clown-show.

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I'm going to disagree 1000% with this. Let people look at +/- all they want, but John Tavares is not the defensive problem on his line.

Schremp will sometimes come back well on a play, but he's also extremely weak when the play is in his own end. He's quicker than Tavares, but not nearly as intelligent once the play is in any zone (and Tavares starts and stops better and is already much stronger.) Edit - To add more about Schremp, and stay on topic a bit, he's just far too aimless in the offensive zone. He's pretty good at rushing the puck, but also doesn't have the best play selection. He can make some very good passes, but he'll force too many plays and too often gets caught out of position on all zones. I think Schremp has been trying to improve, but I'm not even sure he'll read the play as well as he needs to in order to be an all-around player. He'll need players that complement him.

I wish I could show you a few plays from the past few games. I could show you exactly when players are out of position and the opportunities that they led to for the other team. Our problems are beyond just direct giveaways, many of which often occur, but sometimes odd-man rushed against are created because a player simply went to the wrong part of the ice (or attacked the wrong player.) This is where +/- can be a telling stat, or absolutely worthless. It really depends on what caused the plus or minus.

Speaking of which, Schremp and Comeau is a bad defensive combo. Bad, bad, bad, bad. Sim is bad for the mix, as well. That line is ****ing brutal.

Parenteau is the weak link on JT's line. If Parenteau isn't finishing, he's worthless. He creates nothing for himself or others. He has terrible play selection. He tries hard, but he doesn't have any clue what the **** he should be doing. Schremp and Comeau are better, but they are not smart hockey players.

Both of those lines can have good offensive shifts, but they are far too prone to spending a great amount of time in their own end after one of the weaker links coughs up the puck.

The sooner people realize that, and the sooner the Isles do something to change it, the better the team will be. You can't carry so many flawed hockey players.

Schremp and Comeau need a lot of refining. PAP seems hopeless in that category. I don't have that much hope for Comeau, but when he plays a simple came, he can be very effective. Schremp might have some room to improve.

Swap out PAP and put in KO. Never play Gillies. Don't ever let Sim be anything but a 4th liner.

Comeau-Tavares-KO
Moulson-Schremp-Joensuu
Grabner-Nielsen-Bailey (I listed them as our "3rd line", but they've been our best at creating opportunities and getting the puck out of their own end.)
Martin-Konopka-Sim

Keep Comeau and Schremp separate; **** their "chemistry". You may have noticed PAP missing, that's how bad PAP is; let some other team take his "production." That lineup still needs serious upgrades, but until we bring in better players, we'll need to do some balancing. (Of course, the lineup is easier to balance with KO in it.)

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I agree on some parts here.

Firstly, +/- is *********. Terrible stat for gauging defensive skill.

Secondly, Schremp- Comeau-Sim line is bad defensively. I would argue that Comeau is worse then Schremp though. For his size and relative speed, he should be better at battling along the boards and getting the puck out. If he does win the battle, sometimes his decision on what to do with it screws him. I agree Schremp is not nearly big or strong enough to ever be a very good player in the defensive zone....especially at center. I do think though that he is positioned correctly most of the time...most not all. I read a post in last night's GDT that questioned his position as being "too deep". I don't know the play in question but finding a center around the net in the defensive zone shouldn't be an odd thing. That's where he belongs most of the time. I think it's an strange complaint, that's all, and one that lends itself to prejudging a player than actually analyzing a play.

Personally, I don't think we have any good defensive forwards and that includes Nielsen. He is the best we have and I think he does an admirable job but he has been muscled off many a puck in his own zone...particularly the high slot. He just isn't my ideal for a shut down center. Like his speed and his line is definitely our best right now for sure. I also thought he did a very good job playing the right point on the PP recently. But Tavares, Moulson, Parenteau, Sim, Schremp, Comeau, Bailey, Grabner, etc. do not play a good defensive game. Nobody wins the race to the loose puck, wins a battle along the boards, makes a good decision at his own blue line consistently, picks up the correct assignment consistently, helps the D with pucks banged up the boards, etc. That is why the game is played in our zone 75% of the time. You can apply alot of what I just wrote for the offensive side of the game as well which is why the opposition doesn't spend much time in their zone. It is a tell tale sign of (lazy? tired? apprehensive?) defensive play when you see, almost all, players holding their stick with one hand and reaching. This is what makes us a bad team IMO.

If or when Snow decides to improve this team, I think an important need that must be addressed is an "energy line". One that has some speed, can bang on the forecheck and play a capable defensive game. We need a line that can change the momentum (every team does) and we surely do not have that. Maybe Martin-Konopka-Sim? Not sure but it's a start.

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You know, I take some of that anti-granato attitude of mine back after taking a minute to read up on him. I just remember him having a really bad year when that team just didn't perform for him at all when they rehired him. That's bad sign number one in my eyes, plus they underperformed in the playoffs (yes I know the isles would be happy just to make the playoffs, but not with that guy as coach).

I think the islanders need someone that demands respect and accountability due to his track record. I wouldn't roll the dice on a guy like Granato, betting that his tutleledge under Bylsma would pay off. However, the reality is the Isles can't be too choosy, b/c i'm sure that the well to do coaches won't coach on the island for this clown-show.

I think the candidates list out as:

Jack Capuano
Dean Chynoweth
Doug Weight
Scott Gordon

Outside the organization, with experience

Ken Hitchcock
Bob Hartley
Tony Granato
Andy Murray
Mike Kitchen
John Anderson

Then the magical asst coaches and minor league guys.

Andy Murray is good at laying out a foundation, he is the Buck Showalter of the NHL, but we would go backwards to go forward.

Granato with Tom Fitzgerald as GM would take some of that Pittsburgh winning with them. Fitzgerald would also have an advisor in Bill Torrey. Torrey was always the biggest Fitzgerald supporter.

I see Granato in the meetings on that 24/7 show and feel that he is the best option of the lot, he had some great success in Colorado too, but he was very young and I think Stirling might have won with that team.

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I agree on some parts here.

Firstly, +/- is *********. Terrible stat for gauging defensive skill.

Secondly, Schremp- Comeau-Sim line is bad defensively. I would argue that Comeau is worse then Schremp though. For his size and relative speed, he should be better at battling along the boards and getting the puck out. If he does win the battle, sometimes his decision on what to do with it screws him. I agree Schremp is not nearly big or strong enough to ever be a very good player in the defensive zone....especially at center. I do think though that he is positioned correctly most of the time...most not all. I read a post in last night's GDT that questioned his position as being "too deep". I don't know the play in question but finding a center around the net in the defensive zone shouldn't be an odd thing. That's where he belongs most of the time. I think it's an strange complaint, that's all, and one that lends itself to prejudging a player than actually analyzing a play.

Personally, I don't think we have any good defensive forwards and that includes Nielsen. He is the best we have and I think he does an admirable job but he has been muscled off many a puck in his own zone...particularly the high slot. He just isn't my ideal for a shut down center. Like his speed and his line is definitely our best right now for sure. I also thought he did a very good job playing the right point on the PP recently. But Tavares, Moulson, Parenteau, Sim, Schremp, Comeau, Bailey, Grabner, etc. do not play a good defensive game. Nobody wins the race to the loose puck, wins a battle along the boards, makes a good decision at his own blue line consistently, picks up the correct assignment consistently, helps the D with pucks banged up the boards, etc. That is why the game is played in our zone 75% of the time. You can apply alot of what I just wrote for the offensive side of the game as well which is why the opposition doesn't spend much time in their zone. It is a tell tale sign of (lazy? tired? apprehensive?) defensive play when you see, almost all, players holding their stick with one hand and reaching. This is what makes us a bad team IMO.

If or when Snow decides to improve this team, I think an important need that must be addressed is an "energy line". One that has some speed, can bang on the forecheck and play a capable defensive game. We need a line that can change the momentum (every team does) and we surely do not have that. Maybe Martin-Konopka-Sim? Not sure but it's a start.
Nielsen is a good defensive forward. Obviously, he isn't the best shutdown center because of his size, but he defuses so many plays that bigger forwards might not get to. There are very few Jordan Staal type players in the league. You might be confusing "good" with "perfect".

I wouldn't try to look at the finer points of who is the worst defensive forward between Schremp and Comeau. Comeau is the dumbest forward on the team, but Schremp might be the weakest. Why bother trying to figure it out? PAP is neck-and-neck when it comes to intelligence with Comeau, but at least Comeau can skate (and can be effective if he just keeps his game simple North-South as a complementary player with better teammates, or as a 4th liner.)

Bailey is still learning, but he's going to be a good defensive player. A lot of the issues we have are from a lack of strength, speed and experience. Our young players would flourish with the right kind of veterans around them. Nielsen is fine between two bigger forwards as a 3rd line center. Right now, we're depending on his line for offense and defense. If that line was our 2nd scoring line, we'd probably all be happy about it. The issue is that it's our only defensively sound line, and it is small for a checking line. We have too many jobs to fill, and not enough competent employees to fill them.

Moulson isn't bad defensively, but he's on the least well thought-out line in history.

I agree that we're lacking elite defensive players. Nielsen is one of those, he's not the size you'd want, but he gets to so many loose pucks (and disrupts so many plays) that it's hard to count his one flaw against him enough to take away the defensive forward moniker.

The issue is that we have too many complementary (flawed) forwards.

Grabner-Tavares-KO
Moulson-Schremp-Bailey
Joensuu-Nielsen-Hunter
Martin-Konopka-Comeau

I'd be leaning towards trying that if we were completely healthy. We'll probably never get to that stage in time. The above lineup is eminently upgradeable, but at least there's a bit more size and speed sprinkled around it. I'm sure our current crop of coaches would swap Joensuu and Comeau, but I'd always have that 4th line spot warm for Comeau to remind him to play a simple game. You could always move Bailey to center to remind Schremp of this, as well. Then bump the wings up and force Schremp to ride the 4th line. You can't use the 4th line as a legitimate ice reducing threat with Gillies in the lineup.

I'm sure we practically agreed on everything, but I have to count Nielsen as an elite forward. Grabner isn't the best, but his speed creates havoc in both ends. Obviously, that line could stand to gain in strength, but they've done a very good job retrieving loose pucks and disrupting our opponent's offensive/defensive flow.

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Moulson isn't bad defensively, but he's on the least well thought-out line in history.

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The issue is that we have too many complementary (flawed) forwards.

Grabner-Tavares-KO
Moulson-Schremp-Bailey
Joensuu-Nielsen-Hunter
Martin-Konopka-Comeau
nice post Mitchy.

the bolded really made me laugh aloud - how sad and how true.

Grabner has no hockey sense, almost as bad as Comeau. But his wheels are incredible.

Schremp has vision and puck skills but in a full contact league against men, I don't think he's good enough for a top six, although he has played well in spurts. I agree he's far too weak but I am still pulling for him even though I just don't see a good enough player there. I'd love him just as a PP specialist but can this team afford one?

We need KO badly.

I can't get past this PAP thing though. He's got some great stats and some lucky goals and he seems to always have the puck. I don't know if that's good or bad but I wish he was gone.

I hate how Tavares hasn't taken over this team. He doesn't carry the puck at all, even less than as a junior, FAR LESS. He NEVER has the puck on the PP which is absurd. I blame JT as much as the team.

I'm so sick of watching Wis/PAP play "pass-to-me now" back and forth on the PP while Moulson and JT hold hands in front of the net. The worst PP I've seen ever.

Tavares, in a different system, would have 40 points by now. He and Bailey are the smartest players offensively, followed closely by Schremp.

Any way you slice it, the team still sucks. But when Okposo and Streit get back, they will suck muuuuch less.

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Schremp needs to shoot more. He has a 19.5% shooting percentage and only 7 goals. When he does shoot, he needs to get in better position; that 19.5% shooting is misleading, because he should be putting more pressure on the goalie. One of the reasons you shoot more is not to score more goals so much as to create more scoring opportunities on second chances, etc. He also needs to work on his range of shots and practice more with a live goalie in his attempts to hit the corners, starting in close and moving outward through a drill. This will teach him the limits of his range vs. an NHL goalie with NHL game speed and reflexes. Right now he thinks he can score from anywhere. This is the sort of drill Capuano needs to give a guy like Schremp to turn him into a legit top scorer.

If he does this, he will be an all-star, guaranteed. If he doesn't, he will never improve, also guaranteed.

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nice post Mitchy.

the bolded really made me laugh aloud - how sad and how true.

Grabner has no hockey sense, almost as bad as Comeau. But his wheels are incredible.

Schremp has vision and puck skills but in a full contact league against men, I don't think he's good enough for a top six, although he has played well in spurts. I agree he's far too weak but I am still pulling for him even though I just don't see a good enough player there. I'd love him just as a PP specialist but can this team afford one?

We need KO badly.

I can't get past this PAP thing though. He's got some great stats and some lucky goals and he seems to always have the puck. I don't know if that's good or bad but I wish he was gone.

I hate how Tavares hasn't taken over this team. He doesn't carry the puck at all, even less than as a junior, FAR LESS. He NEVER has the puck on the PP which is absurd. I blame JT as much as the team.

I'm so sick of watching Wis/PAP play "pass-to-me now" back and forth on the PP while Moulson and JT hold hands in front of the net. The worst PP I've seen ever.

Tavares, in a different system, would have 40 points by now. He and Bailey are the smartest players offensively, followed closely by Schremp.

Any way you slice it, the team still sucks. But when Okposo and Streit get back, they will suck muuuuch less.
I actually don't think Grabner has bad hockey sense. I feel like he has decent anticipation; he's just more raw than anything. This is a 23 year old who has played 51 NHL games. Schremp is still very raw, as well. I still have some hope that those players can improve to some degree. (How greatly? Who knows?) Both need to get stronger. Schremp needs to refine his game a lot more than Grabner, but Schremp also plays a position where mistakes are amplified (and right now Schremp is playing with lesser linemates.)

I'm sure we all agree about KO and Streit. This team is desperate for players of their ilk.

PAP has finish. His linemates are getting him opportunities. He hustles. Other than that, he destroys many plays and makes little to none for his linemates. His only useful play with the puck is to get the puck and put it to the point. He doesn't even always do this in the quickest of fashion. He's a terrible skater though he tries hard to get places. He's another guy on a line of guys who all need to be closet to the net to score. He's brutal at cycling the puck. He'll get to the occasional loose puck on effort alone, but he's just very slow in moving it after that point. He's prone to lapses in judgment. (Whether it's forcing a pass, making a play when it's not there, or being lost in his own end if he isn't in hot pursuit of the puck carrier.)

Far more minuses than pluses. It's so easy for some to say that he's coring (not you), but when he's scoring, one of Moulson or JT will not be. That line probably has one goal involving all three forwards all year long.

On the other hand, KO can cycle the puck and move it. KO has all of PAP's effort and none of his flaws. Maybe, PAP has a better shot from in close than KO did last year, but that isn't lacking with Moulson-JT to his left. (And I expect KO's ability to hit the back of the net to improve with time.)

Tavares is so much stronger than he was last season. JT can stop and start well. He can stay on his skates better. He can actually do some cycling. Unfortunately, PAP's playmaking is limited to circling the slot and looking for a free puck, or slowly putting the puck back to the point. PAP cannot cycle the puck. KO can cycle the puck, regain the puck and actually pass it to a forward or drive to the net.

PAP is on pace for 50-point production. JT is a better player this year than he ever as last year. Moulson is still Moulson.

KO on that line improves on all of their numbers because JT is better and even last year's KO would bring that out more. I say that while I still think it's better that Moulson and JT be split up.

It's hard to judge Tavares for not carrying the puck. I actually think JT tries to get rid of it before PAP runs into him.

These would be my PP units towards the end of this season:

Grabner-Nielsen-Bailey
Streit-Tavares

Moulson-Schremp-KO
AMac-Hamonic

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[QUOTE=redbull;29823708]
I hate how Tavares hasn't taken over this team. He doesn't carry the puck at all, even less than as a junior, FAR LESS. He NEVER has the puck on the PP which is absurd. I blame JT as much as the team./QUOTE]

This line has really stuck with me for the last couple of days - thanks a bunch RB!

It could just be really unfair! How many first-rounders not named Crosby or Ovechkin are asked to step into a first-line-center-face-of-the-franchise position? Not many, for sure. Rick Nash maybe - I can't remember.

Most come onto teams where they can live sheltered lives for a year or two and work their way into a first line role. Stamkos still has the luxury of Lecavalier and St. Louis around. JT has been The Man from the getgo and however mature he may be, he's still only 20. Who's going to take over a team at 20?

Well, Taylor Hall for one. Although he had the benefit of playing behind Hemsky, Penner and Horcoff, he's clearly now the guy for the Oilers. It's not his skill - I might take Tavares over Hall for pure skill - but his leadership. He provides the much-cliched spark when the team is down with a big hit or a hard drive to the net. Tavares, who adds value to the team mostly through points production, just can't do that sort of thing hence redbull's disappointment.

We have to live with this and let him become the player he can be without beating on him because he leads by example instead of explosive play. In that sense, he's Gretzky to the Oilers' Messier - it may have been called Gretzky's team, but there was no doubt who was the leader. Obviously the example can't be taken literally but I believe that we should use our draft pick to get the top 3 or 5 or 7 player with the best high end leadership skills regardless of position. JT would be a lot more comfortable being one of the leaders instead of the only one and could focus on what he does best.

Happy New Year everyone!


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I'd hate to say it, but this team is desperate for a Mark Messier on it.

I'd even "settle" for Ryan Smyth/Chris Drury/Saku Koivu from a few years ago.

Talented guys (to varying degrees) who are leaders that play hard all of the time. It'd be nice to have guys like that in their ****ing prime to teach the young kids how to play the game. The kids just need to watch them.

Frans Nielsen is our best example of a forward who plays the game right, but he isn't exactly a fiery presence. We just need a couple more guys who play the game the way it should be played.

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Did they win with Samsonov?
So they don't win a cup tehy are no longer a wining org despite retaining their front office personel and being competitive more often than not with a limited budget? He was also on the team when it marched to the Conference Finals. So yeah, they did kinda win.


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Also waived at an early age. Guess he wasn't always better was he?

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Bertuzzi brings other aspects with his game that Schremp cannot. Also, he was running on past preformance. Come back to me when Schremp ever produces like Bert did in his prime.
What are these aspects? Maiming a human being so he can never work again on live television and somehow not being locked away?


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Eh? They drafted him 1st overall, and he won them a cup
He's one of the least consistent goalies in the league. And he won them a cup? Holy ****. AHahahahhahaah. Excuse me for thinking it was having two of the best forwards in the entire ****ing world.

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Now you're just rambling.... reaching for some kind of argument against my stance. Very telling. But I'll humor you anyway.... everyone knows those moves were ownership driven. And you just proved my point, because look where they are now.
Winning teams bring in players not labeled as winning player all the time cause tehre is no such thing as a winning player. You have good players and bad players. Rob Schrmep would be a fine addition to any team looking for a cheap offensive option if we choose to let him go. Just a heads up but Mr. Tambellini has a PPG average than anyone on our team. Who is he closest too? Rob Schremp. Now, keep in mind Tambellini is doing this with a very good team. I have no doubt in my mind that if Tambellini can evolve into an instant secondary offensive option for a team Schrmep would do so as well as he has looked a hell of a lot better than Tambellini ever did.


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Time will prove me correct. When this is his last stop in the NHL, you will hopefully understand why by then.


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I'd hate to say it, but this team is desperate for a Mark Messier on it.

I'd even "settle" for Ryan Smyth/Chris Drury/Saku Koivu from a few years ago.

Talented guys (to varying degrees) who are leaders that play hard all of the time. It'd be nice to have guys like that in their ****ing prime to teach the young kids how to play the game. The kids just need to watch them.

Frans Nielsen is our best example of a forward who plays the game right, but he isn't exactly a fiery presence. We just need a couple more guys who play the game the way it should be played.

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Team is in desperate need of a top six center period. Tavares and Bailey just cannot and will not be top six centers on a playoff team at this point in their careers on the same team. They need one guy who put up those 80-90 points and legitimately carry a line. Messier would be fantastic. To some extent Koivu. Never really liked Drury as a go to guy. That experiment failed miserably in NY as he had alway had a more talented centers playing in front of him (two in Colorado).

If I had a few mill to spend I'd throw it at Brad Richards. Great playmaker, solid all around player, and would instantly give us a real top line center.

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Team is in desperate need of a top six center period. Tavares and Bailey just cannot and will not be top six centers on a playoff team at this point in their careers on the same team. They need one guy who put up those 80-90 points and legitimately carry a line. Messier would be fantastic. To some extent Koivu. Never really liked Drury as a go to guy. That experiment failed miserably in NY as he had alway had a more talented centers playing in front of him (two in Colorado).

If I had a few mill to spend I'd throw it at Brad Richards. Great playmaker, solid all around player, and would instantly give us a real top line center.
I was more naming those guys for how they played than their ability to fill in our actual needs. Drury (from a few years ago) as a 2nd line center would be more than fine on this team. The Rags only had any kind of defense for a few years because of their forwards and Henrik. Their recent teams just always seem imbalanced to me. (Some obvious strengths, and some obvious weaknesses.)

Regardless, look at the market now. I'm sure Drury would be fine making $4 million as a 50-60 point 2nd line center, if he still was one.

I think as long as Tavares is around, he's still going to see a lot of the other team's top checkers. He's our #1 by default, so adding a player "behind" him isn't such a bad idea. I'd also like to get rid of PAP as soon as humanly possible, but that's another problem (of which we have many.)

Saku Koivu was an absolute beast. Of the three that I listed, he's the type of guy who could have really filled our needs and been a player that you could watch play the game in the right way at a high level (when he stayed healthy.) The other two were just hockey guys who would block a shot and will their way to getting points. Koivu added another level of skill to the same determination. Saku Koivu was like a smaller and more human (less fantastic) version of Peter Forsberg. Also, in case I wasn't clear, none of these guys are the players that I'd still want them to be, but it still couldn't hurt to have a guy like Koivu around.

If Brad Richards becomes available, he'd be the most talented player on the open market. I'd be scared as to what kind of offers would come his way (in terms of length.) I don't think anybody would commit the rest of their hockey careers to the NYI (so abnormally long contracts may finally not be a concern.) I'd still be willing to offer him the same kind of money I would have offered Kovalchuk. 3 years @ much more of a salary than they really deserve. Tell the guy that he'd get traded only if it was his wish and offer him the full NTC. (A meaningless thing to have from the NYI.) You'd also have to tell him who else you were bringing in. Try to get two players willing to sign contingent on both of them being brought in.

As far as Bailey/Tavares as 1/2 is concerned, I agree. At this time, there's no reason for you to have two inexperienced players in such important positions on the same team. If you were really forced to keep them at center, then at worst you need to have much more talent on their wings and behind them. Thankfully, Bailey has shown some abilities on either wing. I'm sure Tavares could get points from the right side. At the end of the day, we just need at least two ****ing top-6 NHL forwards that can generate their own opportunities. (The better they are, the better we'll be.)

20-25 goal, 20-30 assist guys; two of 'em - that should have been the bare minimum acquisitions for this season. Bringing in legitimate 1st line forwards would have been even better.

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Yeah Drury and those dudes were/are good players but I think we'd need a bit more than 50-60 points to call it an upgrade in all but name (save Saku who yes was a beast). If the issue was a lack of depth/ability to form a second line it'd be on track but as it is we really don't need 50-60 point guys. I think Most of our top six could do that if played with realy top talent, especially Tavares, Moulson, and arguably Schremp, Okposo (over a full year) and Comeau. Basically they would be welcome, but I'd be hesitant to get to excited.

And yeah Richards would be pricey and at 30 years old a lifetime contract would be pretty scary in the long run cause while shortrun he'd be a huge boost longrun I'm very very comfortable with Tavares and Bailey maturing and being able to handle centering together for a playoff team. 3-4 years would be ideal. I'd go to 5 even. Very unlikely but short of that kind of infusion of talent down the middle shortterm we are not gonna compete.

As far as what we can do, at the draft and over the offseason I'd make our 2011 and 2012 picks available. We should have anywhere from 1-3 this year which would draw significant interest from a team looking to move some salary and still get back a top talent. The 2012 could be used for offersheats or whatever. Combined that would net two top players IMO.

We could also overload the wings.

Basically we need a go to offensive centerpiece to anchor a first line with Tavares and Moulson (I think adding that pievce to those two could be enough to take Tavares' game to the next level) and we also need a top pairing d-man and preferably one more forward though the need for a go two first liners would not be too high (so if we move 2011 and 2012 we could move some other assets and get a Drury calibre player I guess).

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20-25 goal, 20-30 assist guys; two of 'em - that should have been the bare minimum acquisitions for this season. Bringing in legitimate 1st line forwards would have been even better.

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But.....we got Parenteau!

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he needs to score more to justify his arrogance.

but he's warming up to me. He better get 20 goals this year though.

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I think Schremp has earned another year.

Keep in mind that last year was his rookie year. He has been overhyped for so long that I think people tend to hold him to a different standard. He won't be a top line center but he could be a decent number 2/3 center (in a non checking role) and get a lot of pp time.

I think his defensive game is competent and he at the very least gives a good effort on that side of the ice (its the size that kills him).

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Brier is a whole world better than Schremp both offensively and defensively

Ahahahah no, gtfo.

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Does anyone really believe Schrempie has earned an extension for next year? I'm sorry but I've just about had enough of him, I had no problem last year when he was using his hands for something more than glove warmers.

Don't get me wrong I think he has skill and potential but potential doesn't earn you a contract or playing time for that matter. There seems to be a sense of not wanting to trade him for fear of him blowing it up on another team, but if that was a valid concern nobody would ever get traded or waived and in Schremps case as a waiver pick up we gain nothing but we lose nothing.

What bothers me most is that since the trip west he has become a peripheral player and worse he is passing up the shot opting for pass to set up the pretty play. His defense has never been very good and while he has improved it is still suspect. I think his aversion (or is it a refusal?) to move to wing is handcuffing this team as I think it prevents stability for Bailey as a 2nd line center which is where he should be playing.

There are a lot of things wrong with the Islanders and Schremp admittedly is not the most serious problem but you have to start somewhere and in my opinion Schremps play is affecting two players production. The only thing that saves him is if he blows it up in the next 4 weeks, if not I hope he either hits the waiver wire or there is another team out there willing to take a chance on his potential.

If we waive him and someone claims him we can put Bailey back where he belongs for the duration and give players in the Bridge a shot. We are at the point where we have to identify who is part of our future/present core and by thinning out the herd we have to set ourselves up for improvements throughout the roster.

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I agree I was a big Schremp backer but I'm jumping off of that bandwagon, he's been pretty putrid. I feel that he does try and does work hard but he's just not getting it and I'm not sure he ever will.

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he has great hands but he tries to do to much and he looks as if he overthinks and is trying to make the perfect moves or pass......

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Not sure why everyone is so down on Schremp... A "winning team" wouldn't have him? Well, we're not a winning team... And before we oust our 7th leading scorer, why don't we point fingers at Gillies, Weight, Konopka, and Sim?
you could just remove Konopka from that group.....The guy has Great value to the team.....Faceoffs fights lockerroom guy stands up to the outside media when they say our team is door mats and hes not bad on the PK......wwe should sign him to a 2 year extention....how many teams have a 4th line center thats that useable....and its not because we dont have great plaers...because Z takes faceoffs in key situaions and what not.....

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