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12-28-2010, 12:38 AM
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Is Carey Price Really that good?

Or is he a product of the Jacques Martin system?

When Martin was in Ottawa the system made lalime one of the better goalies in the league and to date is statistically one of Ottawa's best goalies ever. I am not saying that I think that Price is bad because I don't watch him enough to really judge but I know that Martin is a defensive specialist who like to clog the middle.

I'm sure a lot of homers are going to lynch me for saying this but it's merely a question. Martin's systems work very well and hide holes.


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12-28-2010, 12:42 AM
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More like Jacques Martin is a product of Carey Price's "system", without him standing on his head and bailing out our ****** defense we look like a non-playoff team.

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12-28-2010, 12:44 AM
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Cold streak. Only problem is about 95% of the team is in one as well.

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Yes, he is, deal with it.

Isn't it annoying when people say deal with it?

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While I believe Martin's Senators were good enough to lower shot quality, certainly a better team than these Habs, Lalime still never had a fantastic save %:

99-00 .905
00-01 .914
01-02 .903
02-03 .911
03-04 .905

Compared with Price:

07-08 .920
08-09 .905
09-10 .912
10-11 .920

And Price is a lot younger than Lalime was.

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12-28-2010, 12:54 AM
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Yes, he is, deal with it.

Isn't it annoying when people say deal with it?

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More like Jacques Martin is a product of Carey Price's "system", without him standing on his head and bailing out our ****** defense we look like a non-playoff team.
This.

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12-28-2010, 12:59 AM
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More like Jacques Martin is a product of Carey Price's "system", without him standing on his head and bailing out our ****** defense we look like a non-playoff team.
Exactly.

The question should be: Are the Habs really that good; or is Martin that good of a coach?

When either Price or Halak plays godlike, we have a chance to win. When they are only "normal", we don't have much chance to win, especially when we give up the first goal.

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Martin never had a healthy Markov though.

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12-28-2010, 01:04 AM
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While I believe Martin's Senators were good enough to lower shot quality, certainly a better team than these Habs, Lalime still never had a fantastic save %:

99-00 .905
00-01 .914
01-02 .903
02-03 .911
03-04 .905

Compared with Price:

07-08 .920
08-09 .905
09-10 .912
10-11 .920

And Price is a lot younger than Lalime was.
Lalime also played more games per season and Playoffs. and other than his first with the Sens he was the undisputed #1. The Way Montreal played in the playoffs last season was a prime example of how limiting time and space and keeping teams on the outside will win you games.

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Nothing to do with this, but:

Josh Gorges
Carey Price
Kirk Muller
Brian Gionta
PK Subban

Don't even question these guys here, this will amount to nothing. The fanbase has a hard-on these guys.

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12-28-2010, 01:07 AM
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Nothing to do with this, but:

Josh Gorges
Carey Price
Kirk Muller
Brian Gionta
PK Subban

Don't even question these guys here, this will amount to nothing. The fanbase has a hard-on these guys.
LOL, because this is not just asking for ****, also while conveniently leaving out your hard-on for Cammalleri.

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Nothing to do with this, but:

Josh Gorges
Carey Price
Kirk Muller
Brian Gionta
PK Subban

Don't even question these guys here, this will amount to nothing. The fanbase has a hard-on these guys.
lol.. another negative respond.

Dude, we are all different. Your opinion is not better than ours. You always come here and start insulting other people intelligence because they don't think like you.

I like Gionta's professionalism more than Cammalleri's but I don't come here and start bashing you because you like Cammy better. Its your choice. Good for you, I respect it but don't come here and always laughing at others that don't share the same opinions are yours. What's your problem?

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Lalime also played more games per season and Playoffs. and other than his first with the Sens he was the undisputed #1. The Way Montreal played in the playoffs last season was a prime example of how limiting time and space and keeping teams on the outside will win you games.
Hmm 45 shots a game isnt exactly limiting time and space. JM wins when the goalie steals the game, thats the system

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put me on the side that thinks Price's play (and halak before him) has done more to make Martin (and his system) look good than vice-versa.

Through the playoffs last year it was almost comical how badly we were getting outplayed most nights, Halak was simply in one of those "zones" were he was getting a piece of everything.

Through a solid chunk of the early season, i think we saw some of the same, the difference being that
A- on most nights the opposition isn't as good as the playoffs pens/caps
B- the team definitely seemed to start the season riding a wave of confidence and executing the game plan very well.


I don't think you can question that Martin has been very effective at getting the entire team to buy-in and play together...

but I do think that the team's results are heavily influenced by the stellar goaltending they've been getting.
being that reliant on all-star performances between the pipes on a nightly basis is not a great recipe for sustained success.

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12-28-2010, 01:32 AM
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Vokoun's numbers actually improved after Martin stopped coaching the Panthers.

I'm not saying Martin is a bad coach, I think he's one of the best. I just don't think coaching has much of an effect on goaltending performance at the NHL level.

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12-28-2010, 01:49 AM
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Price as a rookie with carbo had a .920 save % so no its not martin system

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Or is he a product of the Jacques Martin system?

When Martin was in Ottawa the system made lalime one of the better goalies in the league and to date is statistically one of Ottawa's best goalies ever. I am not saying that I think that Price is bad because I don't watch him enough to really judge but I know that Martin is a defensive specialist who like to clog the middle.

I'm sure a lot of homers are going to lynch me for saying this but it's merely a question. Martin's systems work very well and hide holes.
I can't watch every game and don't waste hours analyzing hockey because I have a life, but I have more than half a brain, and it's obvious it was the other way around.

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Price's first 18 games highlights. As we can see on this video, its Price that are making the big saves, not Martin's system.


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The Habs have no Chara-Redden (when he was good), Philips on the backend right now. The Sens also became the highest scoring team in the league with Martin which is certainly not the case right now for Montreal.

If Price was on the Sens team back then maybe you could make that argument but obviously he is on a worse team and he has better numbers. So I doubt he is the beneficiary of Martin's "system." Rather I think Martin has been the beneficiary of Halak and Price. When those two have faltered so has this team.

Just so people don't take this as another bash Martin post...with they way the defense has been playing lately and sans Markov, I doubt many coaches would be having a lot of success either.

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12-28-2010, 03:18 AM
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If you actually watch the games... He's that good. I think his only weakness is his focus. But he's young so it's expected. He's the MVP of this season anyways.

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I thought Martin was the waterboy?..

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More like Jacques Martin is a product of Carey Price's "system", without him standing on his head and bailing out our ****** defense we look like a non-playoff team.
This x10000000

If not for Price so far this season this team is probably in the running for a lotto pick

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More like Jacques Martin is a product of Carey Price's "system", without him standing on his head and bailing out our ****** defense we look like a non-playoff team.
Agreed. Last year in the playoffs, and the first 30 games of this season, the key elements in the team's success have been the goalies. Price is playing "average" atm, but without him playing at a Vezina-calibre clip for the first two months, we would be lamenting about rebuilding and apocalypse instead of minor losing streaks and apocalypse around here.

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We can't win games unless our goaltenders are superheroes.

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