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12-28-2010, 09:54 PM
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Can we please get Kreider the **** off of a line with Palmieri? There were 4 or 5 plays were Kreider had a full head of steam heading through the neutral zone, but didn't get the puck because Palmieri was skating with his head up his *** trying to do it all himself. Holy ****. It's really frustrating.

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12-28-2010, 09:56 PM
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Kreider is being wasted in this tournament. All this standing around the net he's being told to do is ****ing stupid. That is not his game.

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12-28-2010, 09:57 PM
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Seriously. It seems like a terrible idea putting three guys who SHOULD be shoot first on a line together. They've relegated Kreider to play maker because he seems to be the only one who knows passing is important.

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12-28-2010, 10:02 PM
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Again, Coyle has not been bad passing. But Palmieri is atrocious at it.

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12-28-2010, 10:07 PM
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Kyle Palmieri
Prospect Grade: 7.0 C

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2008-09: Played for the USNTDP until removed for a rules violation. Scored 15 goals and 15 assists in the 33 games.

2009-10: Posted 9 goals, 8 assists, a minus-20, and 36 PIM as a freshman for Notre Dame. Was part of Team USA in the 2010 WJC where he posted 1 goal and 8 assists in 7 games.

Talent Analysis
Palmieri is a first-class agitator. Hard-working with good speed, the question is whether his puck skills are good enough to be more than a grinder and whether he's a team player. It's hard to justify a first-round pick on someone who doesn't have high upside.

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Palmieri could end up being anything from a second liner to a fourth liner. He may not have top-end skills.

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2008-09: Played for the USNTDP in Ann Arbor, scoring 43 points in 44 games. At the U18 World Championships, D’Amigo led the team and finished tied for third in the tournament, with 13 points in seven games including four goals, helping the U.S. win gold.

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D'Amigo has offensive talent, but doesn't have a well-rounded game to go with it. He'll make bad passes and bad decisions in the same game as a well-executed manuever around the net.

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Freshman at RPI in the fall of 2009.



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12-28-2010, 10:18 PM
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Kreider, Bjugstad, Bourque, Coyle and Zucker are the only players who, imho, are playing pro-level games. everyone else is trying to do everything by themselves. The passing on this team is sooooo poor. Canada is going to eat them alive if they dont learn to pass the effing puck and find lanes.

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12-28-2010, 10:34 PM
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12-28-2010, 10:35 PM
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After USA went up 3-0 that was beyond excruciating to watch as a Rangers/Kreider fan. It's a shame that shots like Etems (who was invisible tonight) squeek in, yet Kreider couldn't get a bounce. It was pretty obvious he was trying to shoot more in the 3rd. I can't believe some people here are actually projecting pro potential from a blowout game like this. Wait until USA plays a legit squad and then make evaluations. This isn't rocket science. Jordan Schroeder was a walking highlight reel in the early games, and he failed to show up against the better teams. James Van Reimsdyke? Same exact thing, JVR will never live up to #2 pick status, not even close.

Watch Palmieri after he missed at the end for a hattrick, the head up, the half smile and all. Then watch the composure or players like John Tavares, Cody Hodgson and even Stepan. Those are professionals, those are the ones that earn credit even when they don't produce, not Palmieri. There is a reason Chris Kreider is hailed as a top prospect and Danny Kristo is not. It's called skill translation.

Watch Russia in the WJC and watch Kuznetsov vs. Tarasenko. Kuznetsov is the flashier one, looks like Semin. Tarasenko is the shifty one that uses his body, plays all ends of the ice, and he is going to be a much better NHL player (if either ever come). Anyone who understands the game knew that Kristo or D'Amigo would never surprise the hockey world like other top players in WJC past. Gabriel Bourque had 7 points in the first game last year in the tournament for Canada, what's his deal now? Did some of you think he was better then Hall? Everyone's favorite BC golden boy Cam Atkinson will never make a bigger impact then Kreider in the NHL.

USA was better and some of the players decided to show off their skills, there is nothing wrong with that, because I'm sure players like Bourque and Shore won't be dangling against the Canada's and Sweden's of the tournament. Kreider showed composure and acted like a professional, he passed to his teammates, and brought Zucker off the ice and he didn't get a big head when they were winning. Do me a favor and watch the bigger USA games in this tournament and get back to me.

It's pathetic that anyone would take Jerry D'Amigo, or any of the puckhogs over Kreider.
Awesome post man.

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12-28-2010, 10:38 PM
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This was a tweet from Jerry D'Amigo. I like it.
That tweet reeks of "haters gonna hate."

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12-28-2010, 10:49 PM
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2008-09: Played for the USNTDP until removed for a rules violation. Scored 15 goals and 15 assists in the 33 games.

2009-10: Posted 9 goals, 8 assists, a minus-20, and 36 PIM as a freshman for Notre Dame. Was part of Team USA in the 2010 WJC where he posted 1 goal and 8 assists in 7 games.

Talent Analysis
Palmieri is a first-class agitator. Hard-working with good speed, the question is whether his puck skills are good enough to be more than a grinder and whether he's a team player. It's hard to justify a first-round pick on someone who doesn't have high upside.

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Palmieri could end up being anything from a second liner to a fourth liner. He may not have top-end skills.




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12-28-2010, 10:54 PM
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Lot of cockiness on this team...

could be a good thing until you try to skate the puck through three defenders

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12-28-2010, 11:11 PM
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Lot of cockiness on this team...

could be a good thing until you try to skate the puck through three defenders
i feel this team lacks an identity...they are all over the place. with Stepan at the helm you really felt this team had the cool calm collected and classy feel of their captain. right now....im just not really liking this team all that much.

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12-28-2010, 11:15 PM
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i feel this team lacks an identity...they are all over the place. with Stepan at the helm you really felt this team had the cool calm collected and classy feel of their captain. right now....im just not really liking this team all that much.
True. I really wanted last years team to win. This year I don't really feel too much of an attachment.

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12-28-2010, 11:22 PM
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True. I really wanted last years team to win. This year I don't really feel too much of an attachment.
agreed...you really wanted that team to win so damn badly because of how hard and how well they played. With the exception of Kristo and Palmieri, they all seemed to play that team game. This year though, it seems very much about me-me-me. And somehow the guys who are tryign to play the team game are getting written off as busts whereas the guys trying to do it all by themselves are getting lauded. i havent been real happy with many of the players on this team with a few. The entire defense, and their goaltending. they are playing very well and very much like a team. most of the forwards though...blech. This tournament doesnt have that same sense of excitement that last years did. who knows, maybe it will as time goes on.

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12-28-2010, 11:24 PM
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Part of it was that last year, we were gonna make a run at the vaunted Canadian team, in Canada no less. Russia was considered a favorite as well. We were the underdogs--some didn't even project us to medal.

Now, we're on our soil, the defending champions, and the favorites. It's a different situation entirely.

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12-28-2010, 11:29 PM
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Part of it was that last year, we were gonna make a run at the vaunted Canadian team, in Canada no less. Russia was considered a favorite as well. We were the underdogs--some didn't even project us to medal.

Now, we're on our soil, the defending champions, and the favorites. It's a different situation entirely.
well yeah, of course there is that...but i think it really has more to do with the way these guys are playing....they just dont feel like a team. to me, last years team was personified by this:



this year feels more like an assembly of individuals...

*shrugs*

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12-28-2010, 11:46 PM
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This whole thread made me laugh like crazy. it reminded me of when i watched the WWE as a kid and the whole crowd would chant "A**hole. A**hole." Then Stone Cold grabs the mic and goes "I don't know if you just heard but 50,000 people are calling you an a**hole." In this case almost everyone in the thread is telling one person he has no clue what he's talking about...then he affirms that over and over and over hahaha.

Very glad to hear kreider has been coachable and is bringing an all around game with him. in the pros people take advantage of his presence. But stat watchers without a clue are gonna point to the lack of stats. Although his assists have been there

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12-29-2010, 12:38 AM
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True. I really wanted last years team to win. This year I don't really feel too much of an attachment.
You're not going to get what happened last year, every year. Maybe next year's team will be different, I don't know, it's hard to get that feeling year after year no matter what.

Perhaps if guys like Saad, Ambroz, Tinordi, Pitlick, Watson, Hayes and Grimaldi were on this team, things would be different.

Plug some of those guys in and the team is 10 times better. Is Watson injured or something? He really should be here.


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12-29-2010, 06:36 AM
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watched the finland game, have watched most of tonights game and I am less than impressed with Kreider.

the opinions of limted hockey sense have been spot on.

there are at least 5-6 other guys on this team that I would prefer to have over Kreider.

He seems to be another Radek Dvorak. Lots of speed good defence, not much else.

I do not see a 20 goal guy when I watch him play. I see a 3rd liner at best.
Not sure I like this post. Just curious how a player can be judged by (1) game against a weak Slovakia team?

However, Kreider should be the dominant player and be the "man" on this team. He should lead this team in points by the end of this tournament. I find it hard to believe there are 5-6 better players on this team than Kreider.

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Not sure I like this post. Just curious how a player can be judged by (1) game against a weak Slovakia team?

However, Kreider should be the dominant player and be the "man" on this team. He should lead this team in points by the end of this tournament. I find it hard to believe there are 5-6 better players on this team than Kreider.
Just an observation, but it looks like Kreider is one of the few USA forwards that executes exactly what the coaching staff wants (discussed in Game 1 relating to feeding the point for shots). Although the plays look simple, Kreider won the vast majority of his puck battles while making the smart, clean plays to the point for further play development. These were the same type of plays Tortorella was mentioning Del Zotto struggling to make in his last interview (as far as the simple play). Kreider's assist in the last game is a PERFECT example of this (won his puck battle, made the smart play up the boards to spring the 2 on 1). CK is the least of our worries!

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team usa plays like they read the papers. young handsome kids. big heads. large egos. the red white and blue on their sweaters. as they say, it is what it is.

nothing new here. these kids are rock stars and they know it.

the coaches need to keep the egos in check and have these young men go out and finish the job.

im afraid this team may be fast and talented but until and unless they play as a team, they are destined to fall short.

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50% of Kreiders goals were helped by Stepan.

we all know that some primary assists are primary in name only and not the passes that generated the actual scoring chance.

That's nitpicking, but the bottom line is that lines score goals. Stepan centered Kreider quite a bit last year and assisted (primary or not) on 50% of Kreider's goals last year.
Ummm....who do you think will be centering him on the Rangers?

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It does concern me that Kreider doesn't seem to be asserting himself and putting up the points that he has the skills to put up, but from watching the Finland game, I'm not sure I can say it's from lack of hockey sense...if anything I saw a guy making some smart plays when he got the puck, but he wasn't aggressive enough in getting the puck or being selfish when he got it. Because what I'm seeing is a team where you have to be selfish if you want to be the one scoring the goals, because no one else is going to pass you the puck

Kreider seems to be very much playing within a team structure and not asserting himself, which I guess could be good or bad depending on how you want to look at it

I just wish I could see this guy get a lot of minutes on a line with a playmaker. Maybe he's getting that now at BC but he's sadly probably the best playmaker on the WJC team from what I saw against Finland

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