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06-23-2004, 12:57 AM
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Just a short interview on CFRN. Don't know if he's said it before, but here goes:

1. He mentioned that they'd like to go for a goaltender at #25, if they don't get one earlier. Primary need is to get a goalscorer though.

2. He mentioned that the Oilers have not contacted Washington about the #1 pick.

Depending on what he meant by goalscorer, I'm gonna be bold and narrow the #14 pick to either Picard or Schremp.

The goaltender choice is much more difficult, because we have no idea how the scouting staff rank the goalies in this year's draft.

My apologies for any mistakes or if this has been mentioned and posted before.

EDIT: Saw it on CFRN, not Global Sports.


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Just a short interview on Global Sports. Don't know if he's said it before, but here goes:

1. He mentioned that they'd like to go for a goaltender at #25, if they don't get one earlier. Primary need is to get a goalscorer though.

2. He mentioned that the Oilers have not contacted Washington about the #1 pick.

Depending on what he meant by goalscorer, I'm gonna be bold and narrow the #14 pick to either Picard or Schremp.

The goaltender choice is much more difficult, because we have no idea how the scouting staff rank the goalies in this year's draft.

My apologies for any mistakes or if this has been mentioned and posted before.
That is interesting, note the point "if they don't get one earlier" that leads me to believe that if a goaltender was available at 14 the Oilers would take him. I don't mean Dubnyk, I mean Montoya.

Though I don't think Montoya or Schwartz will last until 14 so Oiler fans need not be concerned.

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I'm sooo not intersted in Montoya it isn't even funny. That probably means the Oilers will draft him though because last year the only guy in the top 20 I didn't want was MAP.

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That is interesting, note the point "if they don't get one earlier" that leads me to believe that if a goaltender was available at 14 the Oilers would take him. I don't mean Dubnyk, I mean Montoya.

Though I don't think Montoya or Schwartz will last until 14 so Oiler fans need not be concerned.
Yeah, although he did kinda emphasize "goalscorer" as a primary need, which leads me to believe they'll draft a forward at #14, UNLESS the goaltender which they are the highest on collectively as a staff falls to #14. Then they may decide to pick the goalie. If that happens, then the #25 pick becomes even more interesting. And even then, it seems like they are placing a premium on goalscoring in this year's draft, which leads me to think they'll select a forward at #14 no matter what.

Unless they plan on acquiring more picks...

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I'm sooo not intersted in Montoya it isn't even funny. That probably means the Oilers will draft him though because last year the only guy in the top 20 I didn't want was MAP.
Not that it's a bad thing or anything, but I must ask why you felt that way? Also, did you attend training camp and did his play there change your mind at all on the matter?

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14th pick - goalscorer

25th pick - goalie/something else

Maybe I'm missing something here, but why take a goalie instead of a goalscorer at 14 when Lowe and JDD finally agreed on a contract not long before the deadline? I thought JDD was gonna be the goalie of the future for the Oilers, so what's the point of taking someone like Montoya with their first pick?

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14th pick - goalscorer

25th pick - goalie/something else

Maybe I'm missing something here, but why take a goalie instead of a goalscorer at 14 when Lowe and JDD finally agreed on a contract not long before the deadline? I thought JDD was gonna be the goalie of the future for the Oilers, so what's the point of taking someone like Montoya with their first pick?
It's not as cut and dry as that though. JDD might struggle in Toronto and never develop into the goaltender that many of us project him to become. Most of us hope that Deslauriers will end up as our future starting goaltender but it is impossible to guarantee that will be the end result. A ton of goaltenders with even more potential than JDD have flopped after moving on from juniors to professional hockey. I am personally in favor of selecting 2 skaters in the first round but I don't think it's too farfetched at all for the Oilers to select a goaltender at #14..

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It's not as cut and dry as that though. JDD might struggle in Toronto and never develop into the goaltender that many of us project him to become. Most of us hope that Deslauriers will end up as our future starting goaltender but it is impossible to guarantee that will be the end result. A ton of goaltenders with even more potential than JDD have flopped after moving on from juniors to professional hockey. I am personally in favor of selecting 2 skaters in the first round but I don't think it's too farfetched at all for the Oilers to select a goaltender at #14..
Heh, I realized that ('that' being the possibility of JDD not turning into the goalie the Oilers thought he would be) after I posted.

As for the rest of your post, I agree. I really hope the Oilers take a forward at 14 instead of a goalie.


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Heh, I realized that ('that' being the possibility of JDD not turning into the goalie the Oilers thought he would be) after I posted.

As for the rest of your post, I agree. I really hope the Oilers take a forward at 14 instead of a goalie.
I'm really hoping (and expecting) that Montoya and Schwarz will both be gone by the time the Oilers pick. That will slide 2 more skaters down to Edmonton's position and hopefully allow us to nab a guy like Schremp, Wolski, Radulov etc. It would also essentially force Lowe to either draft a skater, trade down or select one of the other goaltenders way too early.

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I suppose I can understand that all equal he'd like a scoring F at 14 and a G at 25, just hope that if the BPA at each spot is something different he takes that guy, unless he thinks that player will be available at 25 (in the case of the pick at 14)

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I'm sooo not intersted in Montoya it isn't even funny. That probably means the Oilers will draft him though because last year the only guy in the top 20 I didn't want was MAP.
I have the same feeling. I heard or read somewhere (sorry no link) that Montoya is more fundamentally sound than Schwartz at the present time and would have an easier transistion to the pro game. Schwartz however, should have a more successful, longer career. I think they said this on sport radio here in Ottawa but I'm not sure.

I've never seen Montoya play a college game, but the impression I have is his stock rose only after the WJC. Maybe George or Guy could give more info in this case. That's just the impression I get.

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I suppose I can understand that all equal he'd like a scoring F at 14 and a G at 25, just hope that if the BPA at each spot is something different he takes that guy, unless he thinks that player will be available at 25 (in the case of the pick at 14)
From what I understand, the bpa at the second pick will not apply at all, since there will be a lot of guys who are equally rated. It seems that it's a crap shot anyways with that pick, so might as well try to fill a hole.

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I can not see the oilers selecting a goalie with the first pick. Afterall, we just signed JDD, so I think the oilers have a "#1 prospect" type goalie. Now all they need is depth at the goaltending position. Somebody to maybe replace JDD if his development doesn't work out.

Because of that, I expect the oilers to either use their second pick or a lower one to select a goalie. With their first they will probably select a offensive forward.

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I've never seen Montoya play a college game, but the impression I have is his stock rose only after the WJC. Maybe George or Guy could give more info in this case. That's just the impression I get.
I don't think that's the case. I subscribe to a scouting service and he was highly touted all year. The fan "hype" on him came after the World Juniors as it does with many players but he didn't come out of nowhere.


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I think if Schwarz of Montoya fell that you guys would definitely take them at #14. Perhaps Lowe has explored moving up to land one of them as well. Perhaps the Oil will surprise and take Dubnyk at 14, I'm really not sure he'll last til 25, I know the Flames think he's one of the clearcut top 3 goalies but perhaps the Oil are also high on Schneider and Shantz.

As for a goalscorer the guys I think they might be considering would be Picard, Wolski, Radulov, Lisin and Schremp for the #14. If they take one at 25 then Sindel and Kaspar might also be possibilities.

Just my thoughts.

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I have the same feeling. I heard or read somewhere (sorry no link) that Montoya is more fundamentally sound than Schwartz at the present time and would have an easier transistion to the pro game. Schwartz however, should have a more successful, longer career. I think they said this on sport radio here in Ottawa but I'm not sure.

I've never seen Montoya play a college game, but the impression I have is his stock rose only after the WJC. Maybe George or Guy could give more info in this case. That's just the impression I get.
Montoya was touted as a top goaltender in this year's draft, last year. He was number one on the CSS preliminary rankings in November for NA goaltenders.(Before the WJC)

Going from memory, it seemed as though it was Marek Schwarz as number one and Montoya as number two, and it was a clear difference through much of the season, from everything I watched and heard. What the WJC's did in my estimation is put Montoya on par with Schwarz as 1 and 1A. Strangely, I thought Montoya had a fine tournament, but I don't necessarily think he stole the show.(But who argues with success. I think that Montoya's stock wouldn't have rose as significantly if Canada had pulled out the goad medal game, which I don't think that Montoya was the deciding factor in.) I also thought that Schwarz was good,(not spectacular) but obviously their blueline at times didn't help him out very much.

The burst into the limelight line was used in the latest Redline Report goalie rankings, and with Montoya being touted as a top goaltender for at least a year,(And boy, you are pressing my memory a lot here, but I remember it being mentioned that Montoya could have opted in to last year's draft(Which he didn't to go to the NCAA) and would have competed with Fleury in last year's draft for the number one billing.)

If you need an accurate scouting report on Montoya, here you go http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospect.php?pid=3935

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I'm by no means an expert on goaltenders, however Montoya in his game, his attitude and the reports I've heard on him, reminds me of Marty Turco in a lot of ways. Fundamentally sound, likes being involved in the play, no spectacular strengths, but no glaring weaknesses and VERY active with the puck.

Yes? No?

Maybe some of our NCAA posters can help here... OilersChick? funky?

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If Valabik was still around at 25th and Montoya and Schwartz were still around but Lowe picks a goalie i would be majorly pissed. Valabik over a goalie. other than that i wouldn't mind who we picked.

1st. Stafford/Picard/Schremph
1st.Valabik/Schultz/Fransson

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If Valabik was still around at 25th and Montoya and Schwartz were still around but Lowe picks a goalie i would be majorly pissed. Valabik over a goalie. other than that i wouldn't mind who we picked.

1st. Stafford/Picard/Schremph
1st.Valabik/Schultz/Fransson
I highly doubt either goalie makes it out of the top 10. I believe two defenceman will go in the top 10 as well.

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Let's put it this way...

We already have 3 better versions of Valabik in the system...

Semenov, Greene and Lynch.

Can any one say Chris Hajt?

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I highly doubt either goalie makes it out of the top 10. I believe two defenceman will go in the top 10 as well.
I fully agree... but what's keeping Lowe from moving into the top 10 to get one?

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Just to clarify... Prendergast balanced what he said ("if not earlier") with "primary need is to get a goalscorer." With that in mind, I'm assuming he meant the Oilers would go for a forward at #14, UNLESS the goalie which they are the highest on collectively as a group falls to #14, at which point I can see them selecting the goaltender instead. However with the amount of "equally rated" or "closely ranked" goaltenders in this draft I'm leaning towards the Oilers selecting a forward at #14, since there will likely still be a good goaltending prospect available at #25.

This is all of course barring any trades to acquire more picks...

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Just a short interview on CFRN. Don't know if he's said it before, but here goes:

*snip*

2. He mentioned that the Oilers have not contacted Washington about the #1 pick.

*snip*
Just as an update on this, I see on the front page of the Journal Sports section today (Jim Matheson) that the headline reads "Oilers join Ovechkin derby", although the gist of it is that Lowe doesn't hold out much hope of it.

Lowe: "I don't know if George wants to trade the pick to anybody, but I have to inquire...that's my responsibility. Who wouldn't want this kid? I did talk to George last week to see if he would at least listen to offers."

I didn't check to see when the Prendergast interview was, but really, you can't take much of what they say about drafts (or potential trades) very seriously as they won't want to tip their hand to the other GMs if possible.

Another note at the end: "Lowe is probably trying to find a team to take Brad Isbister at the draft. He'll qualify him at $1.9M US to keep his rights, but don't be surprised if he's pitching him to Florida GM Mike Keenan, who needs bigger forwards."

Nothing earth-shattering, but there you go.

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Just as an update on this, I see on the front page of the Journal Sports section today (Jim Matheson) that the headline reads "Oilers join Ovechkin derby", although the gist of it is that Lowe doesn't hold out much hope of it.

Lowe: "I don't know if George wants to trade the pick to anybody, but I have to inquire...that's my responsibility. Who wouldn't want this kid? I did talk to George last week to see if he would at least listen to offers."

I didn't check to see when the Prendergast interview was, but really, you can't take much of what they say about drafts (or potential trades) very seriously as they won't want to tip their hand to the other GMs if possible.

Another note at the end: "Lowe is probably trying to find a team to take Brad Isbister at the draft. He'll qualify him at $1.9M US to keep his rights, but don't be surprised if he's pitching him to Florida GM Mike Keenan, who needs bigger forwards."

Nothing earth-shattering, but there you go.

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Hmm, it's likely that Prendergast's comment about Ovechkin may have been in a different context (i.e. they have not specifically asked about who they could trade for him, but just whether or not he's available).

But I think the first point (which you snipped out ) is the most important.

Also Isbister could be used as trade bait to acquire a higher draft pick or more, but that's been discussed at length already on this board.

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14th pick - goalscorer

25th pick - goalie/something else

Maybe I'm missing something here, but why take a goalie instead of a goalscorer at 14 when Lowe and JDD finally agreed on a contract not long before the deadline? I thought JDD was gonna be the goalie of the future for the Oilers, so what's the point of taking someone like Montoya with their first pick?
1. Organizational needs change
2. What if Deslauriers never makes it.
3. What if Deslauriers has a career ending injury.
4. Goaltending in terms of depth is arguably the Oilers weakest position.

I am a firm believer in taking the BPA regardless of position.


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