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12-28-2010, 11:09 PM
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Another right defenceman

There are currently 8 healthy defenceman. Who is on his way out?

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12-28-2010, 11:10 PM
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IIRC, he can play both sides.

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12-29-2010, 12:54 AM
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Send down Subban. He's lost out there.

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Send down Subban. He's lost out there.
Knowing you well enough from these boards I assume you are joking, please confirm.

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12-29-2010, 01:15 AM
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Send down Subban. He's lost out there.
I think the big problem is that Martin thinks players thrive off of "healthy competition", but in the case of Subban this year, and Price last year, they really don't. Subban was playing pretty confidently until they called up Weber. Since then, he's constantly worrying about making a mistake because he knows he has another young up-and-comer waiting to take his spot every game. Same thing with Price last year--every bad game he had, Halak would come in the next, and he wouldn't know when he might play again. This year he has no competition and he's playing way better because of it.

Imo, if you're going to keep him up here for the year, just let him play and work through his mistakes. Otherwise, just leave him in Hamilton.

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12-29-2010, 01:34 AM
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Weber to Hamilton, Spacek to the left side, Picard to the press box? Something like:

Hamrlik-Wis
Gill-Gorges
Spacek-Subban

I think Spacek would benefit from being on his natural side and playing some easier minutes. Also makes for a more balanced, road friendly lineup. And Weber should play consistently, if not in the NHL then in the AHL.

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12-29-2010, 01:37 AM
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Weber to Hamilton, Spacek to the left side, Picard to the press box? Something like:

Hamrlik-Wis
Gill-Gorges
Spacek-Subban

I think Spacek would benefit from being on his natural side and playing some easier minutes. Also makes for a more balanced, road friendly lineup. And Weber should play consistently, if not in the NHL then in the AHL.
This. Took the words right out of my mouth.

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12-29-2010, 01:49 AM
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Hamrlik-Wis
Gill-Gorges
Spacek-Subban
I still like this lineup, but listening to Gauthier's interview now, PG makes a point of saying that Wisniewski is equally comfortable playing both sides.

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12-29-2010, 01:51 AM
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Knowing you well enough from these boards I assume you are joking, please confirm.
He's made a bunch of costly mistakes on plans that had no real reason to be attempted. Send him down.

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12-29-2010, 04:43 AM
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I'm so happy we finally have a really good defenceman playing with us right now to replace Markov it's like perfect! I love it! I hope we get another good defenceman soon! and hopefully even another power forward to increase even more the scoring chances! GO HABS GO!

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12-29-2010, 07:26 AM
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IIRC, he can play both sides.
OK if there is no choice, but why play Wiz and Spacek BOTH on their off-wing sides?

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12-29-2010, 07:41 AM
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once Gorges is 100% I,d go with something like

Hammer or Spacek with Wiz
the other with Weber
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12-29-2010, 09:13 AM
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Subban imo just needs to learn to fake shots. He's too predictable. If you still want to do that massive wind up fair enough do it. But more than half the time fake the shot and try to pass, you then catch a forward out of position trying to block your shot because he's so predictable at the moment and you create space and might cause a goal to happen.

Those massive wind ups aren't going to score, the goalie and the entire other team sees him winding up a mile a way. There's a reason lately Weber seems to create more chances. He gets the puck on net faster (I know he isn't that accurate yet but give him time)

If Subban would just learn to fake shots more often then when he would take shots he'd be less predictable and other teams forwards wouldn't be going down immediately to block everything. They'd think twice before doing it. Problem is he does those massive wind ups and always shoots when he does. I've seen numerous odd man rushes happen because of it. He's just got to keep it simple, just because you're at the point doesn't mean you always have to shoot, Subban was always more of an assist guy. He got it not just from shooting but from passing too. If you look at his earlier reels he's always making sick plays and passing. I expected him to project as a 5-10g 30-40a kind of guy if we're lucky. More if he's an absolute superstar.

He has it in him but he's just too predictable and he seems to have lost confidence. If he would shoot faster and fake more shots I'm sure we'd get more chances and he'd turnover the puck far less and give the other team far fewer chances.

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12-29-2010, 09:24 AM
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I think the big problem is that Martin thinks players thrive off of "healthy competition", but in the case of Subban this year, and Price last year, they really don't. Subban was playing pretty confidently until they called up Weber. Since then, he's constantly worrying about making a mistake because he knows he has another young up-and-comer waiting to take his spot every game. Same thing with Price last year--every bad game he had, Halak would come in the next, and he wouldn't know when he might play again. This year he has no competition and he's playing way better because of it.

Imo, if you're going to keep him up here for the year, just let him play and work through his mistakes. Otherwise, just leave him in Hamilton.
Subban started doubting himself after they benched him the first time. I think it has nothing to do with Webber per se.

Price's struggles last year had more to do with a lack of focus and proper work habits than being challenged. I think right now he is playing too much and not getting challenged enough, Auld needs to start a few more games. 3 starts in 3 months is not enough, he needs at least twice that.

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Subban started doubting himself after they benched him the first time. I think it has nothing to do with Webber per se.

Price's struggles last year had more to do with a lack of focus and proper work habits than being challenged. I think right now he is playing too much and not getting challenged enough, Auld needs to start a few more games. 3 starts in 3 months is not enough, he needs at least twice that.
I think you're right. Next time we get a string of close together games like 7 in 12 nights or something we should give 3 to Auld. It could cost us a game or two now but keeping Price rested up is never a bad idea.

Ultimately if we get into the playoffs in 7th place with Price rested it could be better than 1st place with Price exhausted.

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12-29-2010, 09:30 AM
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I think Weber will be going down and will eventually get traded. Maybe even very soon.

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12-29-2010, 09:36 AM
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I still like this lineup, but listening to Gauthier's interview now, PG makes a point of saying that Wisniewski is equally comfortable playing both sides.
To me it's ridiculous to try and play a RH d-man on the left, especially given that we have 4 regular LH d-men.

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I think Weber will be going down and will eventually get traded. Maybe even very soon.
That makes no sense, if anything they need MORE young d-men not to trade them away.

I think Weber would be a perfect fit next year in the #6-7 role. In a couple years he should be a #4-5-6 guy that thrives on the PP. To me he is almost ready but not quite.

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Weber to Hamilton, Spacek to the left side, Picard to the press box? Something like:

Hamrlik-Wis
Gill-Gorges
Spacek-Subban

I think Spacek would benefit from being on his natural side and playing some easier minutes. Also makes for a more balanced, road friendly lineup. And Weber should play consistently, if not in the NHL then in the AHL.
Yeah that's my thinking also...my pairs were Hamrlik-Subban Wis-Spacek Gill-Gorges

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I never really saw what others see in Weber. Maybe it's just me but I think this was last chance and I just don't see the guy being ever good enough to really take up a permanent spot on an NHL roster. If you're a powerplay specialist this was the opportunity to show what you have and personally every time I've seen Weber it's been rather disappointing. Especially after how well he does in the AHL.

Some of the people who are thinking Desharnais would be the solution to all the Habs problems right now should take note. Nothing against the guy but the AHL is a far cry from the NHL.

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I would move Spacek a.s.a.p.

End the season with:

Hamrlik - Subban
Picard - Wisniewski
Gill - Gorges

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Send down Weber and make Picard the 7th D.
I just solve the defensemen problem

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I never really saw what others see in Weber. Maybe it's just me but I think this was last chance and I just don't see the guy being ever good enough to really take up a permanent spot on an NHL roster. If you're a powerplay specialist this was the opportunity to show what you have and personally every time I've seen Weber it's been rather disappointing. Especially after how well he does in the AHL.

Some of the people who are thinking Desharnais would be the solution to all the Habs problems right now should take note. Nothing against the guy but the AHL is a far cry from the NHL.
In terms of offensive production, yeah it's been a bit disapointing, but his defensive play has been a lot better than it was the last 2 years.

Looking at next year's roster, I think he would be a perfect fit in a #6-7 spot. He is young, doesn't have a big cap hit and has upside to play a bigger role in 2-3 years. With a bit of patience he should eventually be a force on the PP, above average mobility and puckhandler with a bomb from the point. Worst case he becomes a MAB type(but better defensively) at best maybe a Rafalski.

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I would move Spacek a.s.a.p.

End the season with:

Hamrlik - Subban
Picard - Wisniewski
Gill - Gorges
Picard's play lately makes Spacek look like Duncan Keith. I'm not saying I wouldn't try to move him in the off season IF I could re-sign Hamrlik(at 3.5-4 mil), let Gill walk and get a big name UFA(Pitkanen Kaberle).

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I never really saw what others see in Weber. Maybe it's just me but I think this was last chance and I just don't see the guy being ever good enough to really take up a permanent spot on an NHL roster. If you're a powerplay specialist this was the opportunity to show what you have and personally every time I've seen Weber it's been rather disappointing. Especially after how well he does in the AHL.

Some of the people who are thinking Desharnais would be the solution to all the Habs problems right now should take note. Nothing against the guy but the AHL is a far cry from the NHL.
He isnt as flashy that's why you, like most, dont see much future with Habs for him...

but based on play alone, he isnt the rook who should be sent down right now.

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