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Group A • Dec. 29 • Finland 5, Germany 1

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12-29-2010, 04:57 PM
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finland wins 6-1
6-1? I'm showing 5-1.

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12-29-2010, 04:58 PM
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Hmmm... size is not all what counts. If a player is rather small he can compensate this with other skills. I just want to remember Reijo Ruotsolainen. He wasn't big either but could read the game very well and was a very fast and good skater.

If I'm not wrong he played in the NHL and was considered as a world class player.
No, it's not the only thing that matters. But in Rajala's case I believe it's a big factor as he seems rather afraid to battle the corners etc. The fact that he can dominate at the junior level and not do too much at the men's level is an indication.

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12-29-2010, 05:02 PM
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By hockey standards he is pretty short. He is listed at what? 5'10? In real life more like 5'8-5'9 probably. He is about 2 inches shorter than the average NHL player.
No, he's really that height, it was measured at the NHL Combine so it's accurate. Finnish papers list him as 179cm tall.

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12-29-2010, 05:05 PM
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No, he's really that height, it was measured at the NHL Combine so it's accurate. Finnish papers list him as 179cm tall.
I missed my opportunity to go and see him at the Finnish Lutheran church here in Toronto on Dec.22 due to being sick.. I wanted to see in real life what these players actually stand at (by comparing my own height to theirs).

I think the NHL etc, always sneak a cm or two on top of their real heights.

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12-29-2010, 05:07 PM
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No, it's not the only thing that matters. But in Rajala's case I believe it's a big factor as he seems rather afraid to battle the corners etc. The fact that he can dominate at the junior level and not do too much at the men's level is an indication.
As I can't watch Rajala playing I'm not able to judge it. But you might be right, it happens that some can only impress at the junior level but no more at men's level because they didn't develop their skills enough or just didn't progress enough with the age.

It is much easier to impress on the junior level, this is not only in ice hockey so but in sport in general. From junior level to men's level is a big step in sport for that reason I said already some years ago to wait how Rajala will develop with the age before calling him the next Finnish superstar.

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12-29-2010, 05:08 PM
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Seriously why doens't Pulkkinen shoot more often?

Jokipakka has been damn good so far. In the other hand Vatanen hasn't been too amazing.

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12-29-2010, 05:09 PM
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I think the NHL etc, always sneak a cm or two on top of their real heights.
Here are team Finland's measurements taken before this tournament. They are the most up to date, you can see it from e.g. Pulkkinen's weight 87 kg/192 lbs which is the only up to date listing I've seen anywhere.

http://stats.iihf.com/Hydra/236/IHM2360FIN_33_1_0.pdf

Pulkkinen should shoot more but it's all because of him being the playmaker on his line in Jokerit... When he gets to play with a real playmaking center for a while, I think he'll start being more of a sniper again.

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6-1? I'm showing 5-1.
woops lol my bad,i didnt think the game started yet i was predicting the final score

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12-29-2010, 05:14 PM
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I think the NHL etc, always sneak a cm or two on top of their real heights.
Oh, I'm sure they do but not at the Combine.

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I'm starting to lose my faith in Rajala. He's weak and gets nothing done. Worthless in battles, but doesn't do much else either. Not even against weaker opponents.

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12-29-2010, 05:18 PM
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I'm starting to lose my faith in Rajala. He's weak and gets nothing done. Worthless in battles, but doesn't do much else either. Not even against weaker opponents.
Maybe he's the next Tony Salmelainen?

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12-29-2010, 05:20 PM
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Maybe he's the next Tony Salmelainen?
I wish. At least Salmelainen was fast and had leg strength. Rajala has better hands, though.

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Maybe he's the next Tony Salmelainen?
who's that?

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Exactly.

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Where's that offensive domination Vatanen?

If he is one of the smartest d-man on offensive-zone in FEL he'll have to be(!) also that on this tournament.

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12-29-2010, 05:31 PM
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Where's that offensive domination Vatanen?

If he is one of the smartest d-man on offensive-zone in FEL he'll have to be(!) also that on this tournament.
I was going to mention him as my other big disappointment so far. Perhaps even a bigger disappointment than Rajala, since Vatanen was good last year already. Rajala wasn't. And Vatanen has been, by far, more impressive in the league as well.

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12-29-2010, 05:35 PM
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I was going to mention him as my other big disappointment so far. Perhaps even a bigger disappointment than Rajala, since Vatanen was good last year already. Rajala wasn't. And Vatanen has been, by far, more impressive in the league as well.
They were making comparisons to Nummelin here.. I so wish that were true.

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12-29-2010, 05:36 PM
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I'm not worried about Vatanen. He's proved himself already and really has nothing to lose. He'll be signed by the Ducks and will be a solid offensive d-man in the NHL one day. He has a too big role because of Finland's lack of other d-men and this put together with the captain's duties is just not his peace of cake.

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12-29-2010, 05:54 PM
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True,

thanks!!!!

Ye, says it won't work for my region.

All good though,

good Finland!!!!!


Final score:

Finland 5, Germany 1.

Armia with two goals tonight!

Damn, I guessed the score but too bad Armia didn't score...

Oh well, I'll take it! Good job Finland!

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If he is one of the smartest d-man on offensive-zone in FEL he'll have to be(!) also that on this tournament.
I have only followed Vatanen's career through information on him so far, but I don't think that's true - why would he have to be that on this tournament? He doesn't have to prove his offensive abilities in these games. His play in the FEL doesn't quite leave many doubts to that, for all I have read. So as a captain of a Junior team, he may well try to raise his level in other areas than pure offense at times. He didn't seem out of place against the USA, and I don't think not being impressive in a walk-by against a weak German team should lead to serious question about his talent level...

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12-29-2010, 06:38 PM
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the defense is awful. but since finnish teams usually struggle to score, the biggest question is who will be between the pipes for germany and if the goalie has a good or bad day. i think it's time for germany to start treutle.
Treutle was great in relief today.

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Did Haula have another good game?

I wish I could watch these games

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Did Haula have another good game?

I wish I could watch these games
he's been solid and now he finally scored a goal

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watched the game. Germany is just too weak mentally. the pre-tournament results and the fact that they falter once conceding goals proves that. it's clearly the coaches fault imo.

they certainly have the talent and are in good physical condition in order to stay up but they lack the mental strenght that's necessary.


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12-30-2010, 06:54 AM
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watched the game. Germany is just too weak mentally. the pre-tournament results and the fact that they falter was conceding goals proves that. it's clearly the coaches fault imo.
What's Uwe Krupp doing on the bench?

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