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12-29-2010, 10:44 PM
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TV Hockey viewing exp.

Hockey is the most exciting sport in the world to watch live...but even a huge fan like me has problems watching the games on TV.
What are some of your pet peeves about the way the games are broadcasts?

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The games are shot too tight...wish we could see the entire zone so we can watch the plays develop like you do when youre at the game.

I have more but I'm interested in how you guys would fix the way hockey games are shown on TV.

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Never understood why people couldn't follow the game at home. I think it's easier. I have no problem watching on TV, especially with seeing plays develop. IMO, it's a lot easier to see it at home. Fewer distractions, and the fantastic quality of HD broadcasts.

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Did you ever see an NHL broadcast on HD Net? That is how hockey should be done. But they had the advantage of shooting only in HD. On a power play for example they would frame practically the entire offensive zone. The puck could move from the top of the circle down to the front of the net and back again without the frame moving at all. Compare that to the current back and forth movements that make you dizzy. The HD Net broadcast wins by a mile. So much more enjoyable to watch. Perhaps in a decade or two the 4:3 broadcasts will be gone for good.

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Hockey is the most exciting sport in the world to watch live...but even a huge fan like me has problems watching the games on TV.
What are some of your pet peeves about the way the games are broadcasts?

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The games are shot too tight...wish we could see the entire zone so we can watch the plays develop like you do when youre at the game.

I have more but I'm interested in how you guys would fix the way hockey games are shown on TV.
Do you have a high definition TV? If not, that's a must... Game is broadcast in 16:9 aspect ratio so you see a lot more of the ice and the HD picture quality makes following the play/puck easy.

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Do you have a high definition TV? If not, that's a most... Game is broadcast in 16:9 aspect ratio so you see a lot more of the ice and the HD picture quality makes following the play/puck easy.
I agree. HD is a world of difference. But you still have the limitations when the broadcasts are produced with the lowest common denominator in mind (4:3 SD.)

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Did you ever see an NHL broadcast on HD Net? That is how hockey should be done. But they had the advantage of shooting only in HD. On a power play for example they would frame practically the entire offensive zone. The puck could move from the top of the circle down to the front of the net and back again without the frame moving at all. Compare that to the current back and forth movements that make you dizzy. The HD Net broadcast wins by a mile. So much more enjoyable to watch. Perhaps in a decade or two the 4:3 broadcasts will be gone for good.
thanks for the tip..never seen an HD Net broadcast.... Ill check it out.

The Devils did something like that in a game last year for a PP..... showed the entire PP from the camera that is mounted on the glass above the net....wide shot where you could see the entire zone... felt like I was at the game.

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I agree. HD is a world of difference. But you still have the limitations when the broadcasts are produced with the lowest common denominator in mind (4:3 SD.)
Unfortunately I'm on Verizon FiOS now so I'm watching SD broadcasts stretched to fit my TV's screen but I got to watch 3 previous seasons in HD with Cablevision... I miss HD hockey....

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I agree. HD is a world of difference. But you still have the limitations when the broadcasts are produced with the lowest common denominator in mind (4:3 SD.)
I have a kick ass huge HD tv...its not the picture quality Im talking about it the way the shots are framed...way too tight....cant see the play develop. How many times have you seen the puck go to the point and you dont know if the d man is pinching in until the camera pans.No idea why they dont show the entire zone in the frame.

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thanks for the tip..never seen an HD Net broadcast.... Ill check it out.
Unfortunately HD Net no longer broadcasts NHL games.

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I have a kick ass huge HD tv...its not the picture quality Im talking about it the way the shots are framed...way too tight....cant see the play develop. How many times have you seen the puck go to the point and you dont know if the d man is pinching in until the camera pans.No idea why they dont show the entire zone in the frame.
It's in part because they are using the same camera for both the 16:9 HD broadcast AND the 4:3 SD broadcast. The camera has both aspect ratios marked on the glass. So the cameraman must keep the puck inside the 4:3 frame...and those of us watching in HD just get a little extra to either side. If they zoom out further (which would be great for us) the players would be even smaller on the screen for those watching in SD (which means they most likely have smaller TVs to begin with.)

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Did you ever see an NHL broadcast on HD Net? That is how hockey should be done. But they had the advantage of shooting only in HD. On a power play for example they would frame practically the entire offensive zone. The puck could move from the top of the circle down to the front of the net and back again without the frame moving at all.
I love that perspective, especially when the power play is in the offensive zone for long periods of time. I think a lot of the fans that are constantly screaming "shoot!" at everyone on the power play need to watch it from that perspective. It's not as easy to get a shot through as people think it is.

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I have a kick ass huge HD tv...its not the picture quality Im talking about it the way the shots are framed...way too tight....cant see the play develop. How many times have you seen the puck go to the point and you dont know if the d man is pinching in until the camera pans.No idea why they dont show the entire zone in the frame.
Drink some alcohol when you watch games... You'll be less picky.

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It's in part because they are using the same camera for both the 16:9 HD broadcast AND the 4:3 SD broadcast. The camera has both aspect ratios marked on the glass. So the cameraman must keep the puck inside the 4:3 frame...and those of us watching in HD just get a little extra to either side. If they zoom out further (which would be great for us) the players would be even smaller on the screen for those watching in SD (which means they most likely have smaller TVs to begin with.)
great insight........thanks.

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Drink some alcohol when you watch games... You'll be less picky.
not picky...just think it could be presented better...I have never taken anyone to a game that hasnt been blown away by the exp live... wish that could be the same on tv.

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Not to beat a dead horse even further...but HD Net also had something called "Sights and Sounds" of the game. For about 5 or 10 minutes usually in the middle of the game they would mute the announcers and you would just see the game from various camera angles. They also had a ton of mics on the glass throughout the rink and you would hear the skates on the ice and the rest of the game in 5.1 surround sound. Really a nice way to experience the game. I'll see if I can find a link to an old broadcast.

Quote from Mark Cuban, co-owner of HD Net:

We do a thing called "Sights and Sounds" of the game. We turn off the announcers and immerse the viewer in the surround sound of what happens at the game. Hearing the crowd, hearing a check up against the boards or a shot hitting the pipe--it's really a different experience.

It sure was.

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Not to beat a dead horse even further...but HD Net also had something called "Sights and Sounds" of the game. For about 5 or 10 minutes usually in the middle of the game they would mute the announcers and you would just see the game from various camera angles. They also had a ton of mics on the glass throughout the rink and you would hear the skates on the ice and the rest of the game in 5.1 surround sound. Really a nice way to experience the game. I'll see if I can find a link to an old broadcast.
that would be great......a couple of years ago the Rangers had a glitch in their broadcast and the announcers went silent for about 5 minutes.... nothing but the ambient sound of the game ....it was heaven.

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Hockey is the most exciting sport in the world to watch live...but even a huge fan like me has problems watching the games on TV.
What are some of your pet peeves about the way the games are broadcasts?

Mine
The games are shot too tight...wish we could see the entire zone so we can watch the plays develop like you do when youre at the game.

I have more but I'm interested in how you guys would fix the way hockey games are shown on TV.
I love how hockey is shown on TV, I have the Center Ice package and watch it most every night.

My only pet peeve I can think of at the moment is that sometimes when they show the shootout certain networks will try to get cute and give you a different camera angle than you're used to. Showing a shootout from behind the shooter means the shooter and/or goalie are blocking part of the net and you can't see if the puck goes in or not.

Don't reinvent the wheel, show us the same angle we're used to watching hockey from.

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I haven't had a problem since I started watching in 1989 on my 19" Sharp TV that Mom got me for Christmas.

Remember that horrible puck tracking effect that FOX used for the few years they had hockey? God, that was terrible! haha

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I love watching the game on my HDTV.

The only thing I'd change is getting rid of the commentary if I wish and hearing the natural sounds of the arena instead.

Like an audio option.

Don't need any gimmicks like 3D.

HD is amazing.

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The sound. Commentators are good, when they actually call the play, not talk about stupid nonsense and other sports half the broadcast.

They need to have a more realistic crowd noise level, and ambient sound for the little things.

Make us feel like we are there!

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Never understood why people couldn't follow the game at home. I think it's easier. I have no problem watching on TV, especially with seeing plays develop. IMO, it's a lot easier to see it at home. Fewer distractions, and the fantastic quality of HD broadcasts.
Totally agree!

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the fact that they don't show the entire offensive zone is obviously my biggest problem.

the mentioning of the "lazer puck" made me cringe. one of the most obnoxious things about watching hockey back then. i actually had a dream last night that i was watching hockey and the lazer puck came back and i was very upset.

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the fact that they don't show the entire offensive zone is obviously my biggest problem.

the mentioning of the "lazer puck" made me cringe. one of the most obnoxious things about watching hockey back then. i actually had a dream last night that i was watching hockey and the lazer puck came back and i was very upset.
FoxTrax (colloquially also called the glow puck, smart puck, laser puck, Fox Puck, or super puck.) What a joke that was.

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Not to beat a dead horse even further...but HD Net also had something called "Sights and Sounds" of the game. For about 5 or 10 minutes usually in the middle of the game they would mute the announcers and you would just see the game from various camera angles. They also had a ton of mics on the glass throughout the rink and you would hear the skates on the ice and the rest of the game in 5.1 surround sound. Really a nice way to experience the game. I'll see if I can find a link to an old broadcast.

Quote from Mark Cuban, co-owner of HD Net:

We do a thing called "Sights and Sounds" of the game. We turn off the announcers and immerse the viewer in the surround sound of what happens at the game. Hearing the crowd, hearing a check up against the boards or a shot hitting the pipe--it's really a different experience.

It sure was.


This is exactly what happened on Verses here in Philly area for Canadian game this week. For whatever reason the announcers were muted yet you could hear all of the game, crowd and referee calls. It was great not having to hear all the jabber and analysis. Surround sound and HD feed was like being at the game. I loved it!

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for msg broadcasts, atleast for home games, if up change to spanish on the sap menu you can get the natural arena sounds and no commentary

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