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12-29-2010, 06:10 PM
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Ryan Murphy

Regular Season Playoffs
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
2008-09 Villanova Knights OJHL 4 4 2 6 0
2009-10 Kitchener Rangers OHL 62 6 33 39 22 20 5 12 17 16
2010-11 Kitchener Rangers OHL 31 15 33 48 14

If we are in the same position at the end of the season we could be picking this kid. We can finally get our pp going with an offensive defencemen, but he also has defensive ability. One comparison is a Drew DOughty/Ryan Whitney comparison. Probably wont turn out into a Doughty but could be close. He is ripping up the Ohl.

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12-29-2010, 09:00 PM
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He's not an Oil prospect. There are multiple threads to discuss this. I don't see a real case here. You love making new threads don't you? Search around. There was a poll involving him already. Brian Campbell upside. Not Drew Doughty.

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forget it. I'm sick of guys under 6'. Unless he is a sure thing, cant' miss, star (like a Kane) this team does not need another shrimp. its a big man's league. We have, what, 6 guys around the 5'10" range? can't get ride of 2 of em (cogs and brule) because they're too small. and we only want to move them to make room for another small guy (omark).

no more shrimps for a while. (unless its me!!! 5'9', 185lb)

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Dont you have something better to do than be a jerk? Jeez take it easy i'm just trying to express what i think about Murphy potentially being an Oiler. So what if it is on other boards. I want Oiler Fans to see it. Not everybody explores every single board. I sure don't. I don't want to hear about your issues with me. go discuss your problems with your mother or something. Not with me

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Dont you have something better to do than be a jerk? Jeez take it easy i'm just trying to express what i think about Murphy potentially being an Oiler. So what if it is on other boards. I want Oiler Fans to see it. Not everybody explores every single board. I sure don't. I don't want to hear about your issues with me. go discuss your problems with your mother or something. Not with me
I think the point he is making is we have a thread ALL ABOUT the 2011 draft and this thread belongs there

I did a little research on the kid and it looks like he is predicted to be a 3rd rounder--it looks like there is grave concern about his filling out for his position

does a 3rd rounder deserve a thread?

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I think the point he is making is we have a thread ALL ABOUT the 2011 draft and this thread belongs there

I did a little research on the kid and it looks like he is predicted to be a 3rd rounder--it looks like there is grave concern about his filling out for his position

does a 3rd rounder deserve a thread?
Thanks. He's a top ten selection at thie years draft. Or at least he has the potential too. Like you said we have a thread on this board and not a different board for this. Much like a previous thread made by Oilfan about Oil prospects. Take a look kid. Sheesh.

Come draft time and we know our selection I think then you will have an opportunity to make a case if we are in contention to use our selection on him. The way the injuries are accumulating he might just be an after thought.

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I think the point he is making is we have a thread ALL ABOUT the 2011 draft and this thread belongs there

I did a little research on the kid and it looks like he is predicted to be a 3rd rounder--it looks like there is grave concern about his filling out for his position

does a 3rd rounder deserve a thread?
Well Mr. Bugg has him top 5 here http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=783583. And I think Cherry is on the record saying he should go 1st. He may be small but he's supposed to be a great skater with fantastic offensive skills, vision, and hockey sense. Rafalski and Visnovsky both fit that description too and I'd be fine with adding a guy like that to play with Whitney as our top pairing.

But I would take Larsson, Couturier, RNH and probably Landeskog over him.

And to OilersFan14, I get that you want to talk about us drafting this kid, but there is a thread set up to discuss exactly that question, which I linked to above. Unless the prospect does something spectacular that is worth drawing note from the entirety of HFOil, it's usually best to just add your 2 cents to the existing thread created for that purpose. It helps reduce the clutter

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I think the point he is making is we have a thread ALL ABOUT the 2011 draft and this thread belongs there

I did a little research on the kid and it looks like he is predicted to be a 3rd rounder--it looks like there is grave concern about his filling out for his position

does a 3rd rounder deserve a thread?
I'm not sure where you did your research but right now he is a top 10 pick, many see him going top 5.

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look for him to drop in the draft and people will ask why

A scouting site that I go to questions his height of 5-10--they say he is a tad under 5-10 and at 17 they think he might grow one more inch--but the greater concern is him filling out and not effecting his game

as stated we have a thread all about the 2011 draft

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look for him to drop in the draft and people will ask why

A scouting site that I go to questions his height of 5-10--they say he is a tad under 5-10 and at 17 they think he might grow one more inch--but the greater concern is him filling out and not effecting his game

as stated we have a thread all about the 2011 draft
I agree with him potentially dropping in selection. Very much like cam Fowler at last years draft. Cherry is wrong for once in projecting him to go first. His homer bias' finally got the best of him.

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forget it. I'm sick of guys under 6'. Unless he is a sure thing, cant' miss, star (like a Kane) this team does not need another shrimp. its a big man's league. We have, what, 6 guys around the 5'10" range? can't get ride of 2 of em (cogs and brule) because they're too small. and we only want to move them to make room for another small guy (omark).

no more shrimps for a while. (unless its me!!! 5'9', 185lb)
Who says Ryan Murphy isn't a can't miss star? The guy might score 30 goals if he gets hot enough.

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Look at Ryan Ellis, he is not the tallest tree in the forest but He has a whole bunch of honours

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Look at Ryan Ellis, he is not the tallest tree in the forest but He has a whole bunch of honours
So is Bobby Orr.

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So is Bobby Orr.
Yeaaaaah

Anyways I kind of get the feeling people are worrying about size too much. Skill trumps all of that. Look at all the young players coming in and making an impact,. Skinner, Giroux, Eberle, Stamkos I mean size is not everything guys like Nilsson and Cogliano and O'Sullivan we're just not that good if we get an opportunity to draft a player as dynamic as Ryan Murphy the oilers would be foolish to let it pass by. Imo thats a decision that could turn out worse than not drafting Parise and Parise had a Hart trophy type season. Ryan Murphy is a game changer on offense.

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Yeaaaaah

Anyways I kind of get the feeling people are worrying about size too much. Skill trumps all of that. Look at all the young players coming in and making an impact,. Skinner, Giroux, Eberle, Stamkos I mean size is not everything guys like Nilsson and Cogliano and O'Sullivan we're just not that good if we get an opportunity to draft a player as dynamic as Ryan Murphy the oilers would be foolish to let it pass by. Imo thats a decision that could turn out worse than not drafting Parise and Parise had a Hart trophy type season. Ryan Murphy is a game changer on offense.
I agree. Just because he might get overlooked because of current scouting priorities doesn't mean that he doesn't have an elite level skill set. Size tends to be a priority in projecting a lot of players. Skill in the case of the Eberle's, Ellis' tends to get passed up for later selection. I am quite fond of Murphy personally. Let's just wait and see where we select first. Until than I don't see the sense in a thread of its own. Unless it is designated for skill vs. size debate.

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I don't want Edmonton drafting a guy who's smaller than a freakin twig.

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that must be one freakin big twig

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3 Players to target

Sean Couturier,Adam Larsson,Gabriel Landeskog.

Please not Ryan Murphy 5 10 160 pounds

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He is not going to get 30 goals in the NHL how many dmen do that. Plus I agree with a lot of people that he is just way too small. I don't want a Bergeron on this team. Siemens or Hamilton.

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Yeaaaaah

Anyways I kind of get the feeling people are worrying about size too much. Skill trumps all of that. Look at all the young players coming in and making an impact,. Skinner, Giroux, Eberle, Stamkos I mean size is not everything guys like Nilsson and Cogliano and O'Sullivan we're just not that good if we get an opportunity to draft a player as dynamic as Ryan Murphy the oilers would be foolish to let it pass by. Imo thats a decision that could turn out worse than not drafting Parise and Parise had a Hart trophy type season. Ryan Murphy is a game changer on offense.

that's fine and dandy if the rest of the team are men. but 6 of our guys would be small on a triple A midget team.

If he's that good, ok, take him and with Eberle, that's enough shrimps. we would then have to get rid of Cogs, Brule, Omark or Gagner, or both.

the majority of the lineup must be over 6' and tough. and those under 6' must be a point producer (no less than 20 goals and 60 points) or an agitator/checker (think Todd Marchant).

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'I don't want a Bergeron on this team.'

thank you. perfect example

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I would prefer Larsson, or Couturier.....after that not sure. No one stands out more than the rest.

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'I don't want a Bergeron on this team.'

thank you. perfect example
If we're going to play the extremes game, there's as much evidence Murphy becomes Ray Bourque as there is he becomes MA Bergeron.

Bourque, Draft Year: 63 GP, 22-71-93
Murphy, Draft Year: 32 GP, 16-33-49 (on pace for 32-66-98 in 64 GP)

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If we're going to play the extremes game, there's as much evidence Murphy becomes Ray Bourque as there is he becomes MA Bergeron.

Bourque, Draft Year: 63 GP, 22-71-93
Murphy, Draft Year: 32 GP, 16-33-49 (on pace for 32-66-98 in 64 GP)
SOLD!

I say we draft this guy.

Off topic, but what do you think of Ellis?

I'm not so sure his game will translate into the NHL, but he reminds me of a smaller Mike Green.

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