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12-30-2010, 10:28 AM
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Rebuilding our defense

The season to date has exposed some glaring weaknesses in our defense, and to his credit, Gauthier did make a reasonable move with Wisniewski. Until then it has been a hodge podge of old, slow veterans and raw rookies mixed in with the occasional journeyman. The glue was supposed to be Markov and as it turns out, the Canadiens had a lot riding on a gimpy knee.

My hope is that the Canadiens don't give away the farm and try to rush the process for what I would consider a very long shot run at the Cup this year.

The key to all of this might be Emelin. It's a BIG IF on a couple of fronts. The first question is whether they might be able to sign him. The second question is what level he might play at. He certainly has the physique and the temperment to add something to our blueline.

Signing Emelin and re-signing Wisniewski would throw a whole new light on our defense. Depending on their level of play, I could see them become a #2 pairing.

Of course Subban will be in the mix as will Spacek because of his +35 contract and of course Gorges. That is already a total of five defensemen. Rounding out the competition would be Hamrlik, Gill, Picard, Weber, Carle and, if he resigns, Markov.

If you go out on a limb and assume that Markov re-signs, then you have six defenseman and need only one of the above to fill out the depth chart. It would look something like this: Markov, Gorges, Spacek, Subban, Emelin, Wisniewski and a #7 (whoever that might be).

Perhaps Spacek would be #7 and someone else would replace him as a regular. My choice right now would be Hamrlik if he was willing to accept a reduced role and a modest contract.

On the farm, only Brendon Nash would be close to ready and available for call-up. Carle would have to clear waivers and the window is slowly closing for him.

It certainly looks a lot different from what we had at the start of this season with a mixture of veterans and youth.

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12-30-2010, 10:42 AM
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I'm not sure that i would waste much time thinking about Emelin. Sure he might come over, but i doubt it.

Personally i'm partial to a complete rebuild of our D, but my guess is that Gauthier will do something less dramatic.

Assuming we stick with a roughly 20 million dollar payroll for our D

Starts with Subban, Spacek (unfortunately) and re-signing UFA Gorges (approx. 3 million per).

x-x
x-Subban (.8)
Spacek (3.8)-Gorges (3)
x

That leaves us with 12.4 to spend on 3 D plus a 7th guy.

Lets get the 7th guy out of the way...Weber or Picard are fine at 600k. Nearly 12 million left to spend on 3 D.

x-x
x-Subban (.8)
Spacek (3.8)-Gorges (3)
Picard/Weber (.6)

My personal preference woul be to go after Tomas Kaberle, Mark Stuart and re-sign James Wisniewski. I believe that we could easily get all 3 in at 12 million. We get younger, more mobile and a bit grittier on the back end....and leaves us with enough spare change (in addition to the increase in the cap) to go after a top 6 forward like Simon Gagne.

Kaberle (5)-Wisniewski (3)
Stuart (2)-Subban (.8)
Spacek (3.8)-Gorges (3)
Picard/Weber (.6)

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12-30-2010, 10:44 AM
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Going forward, this is what we can do:

Sign:

- Gorges
- Markov
- Wisniewski

Do not sign:

- Hamrlik
- Gill
- Picard

Trade:

- Spacek

Sign UFA's:

- Bieksa
- Ehrhoff
- Huskins

2011 defense pairings:

Markov - Wisniewski
Bieksa - Subban
Ehrhoff - Gorges
Huskins

Note: Huskins is signed for toughness, Stanley Cup experience and is Moen's good friend.

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12-30-2010, 10:46 AM
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we all been waiting for Emelin for years now its clear hes not coming


now sign Tomas Kaberle

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12-30-2010, 10:56 AM
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Why on earth would you think Emelin cold be any type of solution. He'd need some time in the minors. I saw everything I need to know about Russian Defense last year in the Olympics, they were completely exposed and unable to adjust to the speed of this game. Plus why would he come over to play for less money and no guarantees.

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Alexei Emelin: "I'm under contract with Ak Bars Kazan for the next season. I'll think about the NHL next year.", May 31, 2010
Let's wish. He would be usefull.

Recently (if may is recently) Emelin has been awarded with Best Defenseman of the KHL Finals honor and skated in the 2010 World Championship in Germany.

This will be an important Summer for PG. Another few years of crap or a good revamp of our D-core. And fix the Offence. (and fire JM?)

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12-30-2010, 10:58 AM
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Going forward, this is what we can do:

2011 defense pairings:

Markov - Wisniewski
Bieksa - Subban
Ehrhoff - Gorges
Huskins

Note: Huskins is signed for toughness, Stanley Cup experience and is Moen's good friend.
Hahaha that would be insane. How do you decide who runs the PP?

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I think there is going to be major change to our D, we have speedy forwards but our D is too slow to keep up, I wanted Wis so bad during the offseason because I think he is perfect partner for Markov, I really think Markov is going to resign, and I hope PG resigns Wis too (word is that he is a b*tch in contact talks. Gorges getting resigned, and I think Gill will be resigned for 1 more year. giving us

Markov-Wis

(UFA)-Subban

Gill-Gorges

Weber/Picard

The biggest issue is getting rid of Spacek, hopeful we somehow find a taker and be able to use that money to sign a top 4 stay at home D-man to play with Subban. I think if Spacek can't be trade, they won't resign Gill, and find a less expensive stay at home D-man.

P.S. I would love to somehow get ride of Spacek and get Matt Greene out of LA,
Markov-Green
Gorges-Wis
Gill-Subbban
WOWOWOWOWOW

Just my 2 cents

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we all been waiting for Emelin for years now its clear hes not coming


now sign Tomas Kaberle
Kaberle is not the same kind of defenseman as Emelin. He is really soft and not much more than a power play specialist at this point in his career.

I really think we need some "attitude" on the back line. For most of the year, we have had none. Has there ever been a more passive 6'7 defenseman than Hal Gill? Spacek and Gorges are undersized, Hamrlik is average when it comes to being physical, Subban's game should be speed and finesse, Weber and Picard are not strong physically. The addition of Wisniewski will help but I would like to see someone with a mean streak added to the defense.

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I'm not sure that i would waste much time thinking about Emelin. Sure he might come over, but i doubt it.

Personally i'm partial to a complete rebuild of our D, but my guess is that Gauthier will do something less dramatic.

Assuming we stick with a roughly 20 million dollar payroll for our D

Starts with Subban, Spacek (unfortunately) and re-signing UFA Gorges (approx. 3 million per).

x-x
x-Subban (.8)
Spacek (3.8)-Gorges (3)
x

That leaves us with 12.4 to spend on 3 D plus a 7th guy.

Lets get the 7th guy out of the way...Weber or Picard are fine at 600k. Nearly 12 million left to spend on 3 D.

x-x
x-Subban (.8)
Spacek (3.8)-Gorges (3)
Picard/Weber (.6)

My personal preference woul be to go after Tomas Kaberle, Mark Stuart and re-sign James Wisniewski. I believe that we could easily get all 3 in at 12 million. We get younger, more mobile and a bit grittier on the back end....and leaves us with enough spare change (in addition to the increase in the cap) to go after a top 6 forward like Simon Gagne.

Kaberle (5)-Wisniewski (3)
Stuart (2)-Subban (.8)
Spacek (3.8)-Gorges (3)
Picard/Weber (.6)
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Wis won't sign under $4M/Y.....

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Wis won't sign under $4M/Y.....
Then take the $4 million, and put it towards signing Ehrhoff. I doubt the Canucks would let him go from their grasp, but signing Ehrhoff is much more sexier then Wiz.

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12-30-2010, 11:07 AM
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Re-sign Markov, Wiz, Gorges.

Sign Kaberle, Chris Phillips.

Markov, Wiz
Kaberle, Chris Phillips
Gorges, Subban


???

profit.

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Resign Markov (4 years at 20 million) and Wiz (4 years at 16 million). Let go of Hamrlik and Gill and sign Bieksa.

Markov (5)-Wiz (4)
Subban (.875)-Spacek (3.833)
Bieksa (4.25)-Georges (3)
Picard (.6)

Comes in slightly above 20 million but I beleive much faster and much more mash than what we have right now.

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Kaberle (5)-Wisniewski (3)
Stuart (2)-Subban (.8)
Spacek (3.8)-Gorges (3)
Picard/Weber (.6)


I like that, I would like to see Kaberle who is a set up guy give Wisniewski his one timers, I was also thinking Pitkanen would be a nice fit too. Stuart to pair with Subban seems like A1 to me. I think that each pairing they complement each other.

Kaberle - (pass) Wisniewski - (shot/gritty)

Stuart - (stay home/girtty) Subban - (mover/play jumper)

Spacek - (shot/blocker) Gorges - (blocker/can get puck out)

Picard + Weber - youth/injuries/mobile/rest


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Why on earth would you think Emelin cold be any type of solution. He'd need some time in the minors. I saw everything I need to know about Russian Defense last year in the Olympics, they were completely exposed and unable to adjust to the speed of this game. Plus why would he come over to play for less money and no guarantees.
That's it, maintain that positive attitude!

Six of those Russian defensemen had already played in the NHL. The stacked rosters of the Olympics along with a very compressed schedule make an evaluation of their ability to play in the NHL very difficult. I don't know what you think but there was a guy named Andrei Markov on that team that certainly has NHL abilities.

You are also judging Emelin's play based on an Olympic series that he never played in. I don't know about you but I find it difficult to judge a player's abilities by looking at everyone but him. As for time in the minors, you are making an assumption based on... I don't know, what is it based on?

Finally, I do not know what motivates Emelin. Is it purely money, it is the comfort of staying close to home, is it the opportunity to play against the best in the world, is it an opportunity to experience a different lifestyle, or ?? I did say it was a "Big IF".

I don't know why anyone would completely dismiss an opportunity without exploring the possibilities. It doesn't cost anything. What's the harm in checking it out?

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Resign Markov (4 years at 20 million) and Wiz (4 years at 16 million). Let go of Hamrlik and Gill and sign Bieksa.

Markov (5)-Wiz (4)
Subban (.875)-Spacek (3.833)
Bieksa (4.25)-Georges (3)
Picard (.6)

Comes in slightly above 20 million but I beleive much faster and much more mash than what we have right now.
You seriously still can't spell 'Gorges' ?

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I don't know if Emelin will sign here next year but he have some interest and it look like that Gauthier is in contact with him. He's what this team need a gritty d-men with some offense. I guy who will stand up for his teamates. Give him the money and he will come

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What is very risky is gambling on certain UFA's being on the market and at a reasonable price. What has happened in the last few years is we have seen a lot of the top UFA's either get extended with their current team or moved in June for picks and signed elswhere(like Bouwmeester).

I would definitely not shut the door on Yemelin, but if we were able to sign him and bring him over, I would plan on him being #7, anothing more would be risky given that he will need time to adjust. If he signs for another 2 years KHL we probably never see him.

Markov is a very tough decision, I think a big part of it is medical, they have to do their diligence and find out how his knee is physically and what the odds are of reinjuring it at this point, best case sceanrio is a 1 year deal around 4.5 mil.

Hamrlik I'd love to keep him one more year at around 3-3.5 mil but we may need to move Spacek which may oir may not be possible(buy out??).

Out of Hamrlik Markov Wisniewski and UFA's we need to get 3 top 4 d-men signed for about 14 mil.

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I'll wait to see Wisniewsky play before signing him for next season

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Do whatever it takes to sign Pitkanen and re-sign Wisniewski.

Markov - Wisniewski
Pitkanen - Gorges
Spacek - Subban



Now if only we could find a way to get rid of Spacek.

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Do whatever it takes to sign Pitkanen and re-sign Wisniewski.

Markov - Wisniewski
Pitkanen - Gorges
Spacek - Subban



Now if only we could find a way to get rid of Spacek.
He can be bought out for about 1.3 mil next year and the following one.

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For next year, find a way to get rid of Spacek (package with tasty prospects and/or picks to make the bitterness of swallowing him easier for whoever does it!). Resign Hamr at a discount

Markov(6)-Wisniewski(4)=10
Hamrlik(3)-Subban(.875)=3.875
Gorges(2.5)-Weber(1)=3.5

Less than 20 M for that defense would be a-ok by me!

If we want to hit a home-run replace Hamrlik with Pitkanen, Ehrhoff, Bieksa, Salo Phillips or even Kaberle

I've also had it with dmen playing on their off-side, and we finally have enough RH dmen to stop doing that!

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He can be bought out for about 1.3 mil next year and the following one.
I dont think you can, he has a 35+ contract.

Markov - Wiz
Erhoff - Bieksa
Spacek - Subban

We'd have 3 righties that can hit, that would be pretty nice.

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Hey why not play O'Byrne? Oh wait Montreal gave him away for nothing and he now one of his teams leaders in plus minus and minutes played.......


I always said all O'Byrne needed was a fair shot! Jaques MArtin sucks bags!

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For next year, find a way to get rid of Spacek (package with tasty prospects and/or picks to make the bitterness of swallowing him easier for whoever does it!). Resign Hamr at a discount

Markov(6)-Wisniewski(4)=10
Hamrlik(3)-Subban(.875)=3.875
Gorges(2.5)-Weber(1)=3.5

Less than 20 M for that defense would be a-ok by me!

If we want to hit a home-run replace Hamrlik with Pitkanen, Ehrhoff, Bieksa, Salo Phillips or even Kaberle

I've also had it with dmen playing on their off-side, and we finally have enough RH dmen to stop doing that!
I want to see Montreal trade for Regher this year......ASAP!

Give them Spacek Weber and a 1st for Regher and 3rd.


Subban Regher
Wiz Hamrlik
Gorges Gill

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