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06-23-2004, 10:35 AM
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Bonk for Brewer
Bonk+4th for Isbister+Rita

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Bonk for Brewer
Bonk+4th for Isbister+Rita
Edmonton says no to the first one. Ottawa says no to the second one.

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Edmonton says no to the first one. Ottawa says no to the second one.
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......what he said

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Bonk + Lalime for Isbister, Rita, and Joey Moss

We'll go with the Red Wings style of 3 goaltenders. Conkannenime will shine.

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Bonk + Lalime for Isbister, Rita, and Joey Moss

We'll go with the Red Wings style of 3 goaltenders. Conkannenime will shine.

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Bonk + Lalime for Isbister, Rita, and Joey Moss

We'll go with the Red Wings style of 3 goaltenders. Conkannenime will shine.

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Joey Moss's intangibles are far too valuable for the organization.

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York, Hemsky, Ulanov,Poulliot and futures for Bonk, Volchenkov

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York, Hemsky, Ulanov,Poulliot and futures for Bonk, Volchenkov
:lol :lol :lol :lol

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what?
2nd liner, 3rd liner (future elite checker if he stays in Edmonton), bottom paring dman, future BUST for 1st line centerman, future top pairing dman

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what?
2nd liner, 3rd liner (future elite checker if he stays in Edmonton), bottom paring dman, future BUST for 1st line centerman, future top pairing dman
What do you get out of being intentionaly stupid? York's value is higher the Bonks alone.

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you have to give quality to recieve quality in return.

Volcehnkov = York, Poulliot
Bonk = Hemsky Ulanov

It might be an overpay but it would take a lot for the Oiler to pry a guy like Volchenkov out of Ottawa.

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what?
2nd liner, 3rd liner (future elite checker if he stays in Edmonton), bottom paring dman, future BUST for 1st line centerman, future top pairing dman

I really like Volchenkov, but imo the Sens are unlikely to deal another young defender after trading Rachunek (in what can only be called a bizarre trade, at least for the Sens). I've always thought Bonk would be a terrific Oiler, and this may indeed be the summer to get him.

As for the payback, York is easily one of the best Oiler forwards imo, and Hemsky's upside means the Oil have to hold on to him like a fly on stink.

As for Pouliot being a bust, way too soon to be saying that kind of thing. It's too soon to call MIKHNOV a bust for crying out loud.

Michael Henrich (draft 1998) is a bust. After that, although the sun is certainly over the yard arm for Rita, even he isn't a bust as of right now.

Patience.

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Perhaps - but York and Pouliot alone would be a big enough overpay. But Hemsky alone for Bonk is a big overpay - Bonks value is next to nill - but if you spent more time informing yourself and not being immature you'd know that.

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I see my trade proposal as being similar to the Marchment Bonsignore Kelly for Hamrlik trade.

We get an awesome future star prospect(Volchenkov) in return for expendable fodder and we get immediate help from Bonk. If you're so hung up on this being an overpay maybe the Oilers should add a second rounder and they can add Emery/Lalime? \

MAP - During his draft year he was the only guy i wished the Oilers wouldn't get. I wanted the Oilers to go after Richards, Bernier (but he was taken 1 pick earlier then we traded that pick away) or even Parise. If he does make the NHL he won't make an impact. I see MAP as a Caron type player who misses a lot of hockey except in MAP's case it's because he'e very very very injury prone.

Hemsky - His talent will not be utilized here in Edmonton's 3rd line. That's a slap in the face of the most talented player on the team. Anyways his market worth is very low. He's soft, doesn't shoot, and extrmely inconsistent. Blah blah blah he's only 20 years old. i know. Let's make up excuses for him.

York - The key part of the trade. If he wasn't included there would be no deal.

Ulanov - If we got Volchenkov, There would be no room for Igor. Igor would be a good filler in the Otta dcorps.

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06-23-2004, 07:24 PM
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MAP - During his draft year he was the only guy i wished the Oilers wouldn't get. I wanted the Oilers to go after Richards, Bernier (but he was taken 1 pick earlier then we traded that pick away) or even Parise. If he does make the NHL he won't make an impact. I see MAP as a Caron type player who misses a lot of hockey except in MAP's case it's because he'e very very very injury prone.
Ok, well MAP was high on several peoples list - you're opinion is understandable -and if you want to write off Pouliot has simply an injury prone Caron then that's your perogative. Simple fact is the hockey world in general doesn't look at him that way and his value is much higher then what you think of him.
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Hemsky - His talent will not be utilized here in Edmonton's 3rd line. That's a slap in the face of the most talented player on the team. Anyways his market worth is very low. He's soft, doesn't shoot, and extrmely inconsistent. Blah blah blah he's only 20 years old. i know. Let's make up excuses for him.
Very low? Ya.. ok.... There isn't a single team out there that wouldn't LOVE to have him. In your first second you speak of him like it's criminal that he isn't getting first line minutes, then after you talk about how bad he is. Hemsky would get us into the top 5 in this years draft straight up. And besides the VERY VERY special players, no kids his age are consistent and do everything right. It's not excuses, it's simply commen sense that you have to have patience with a KID who's in his second year of PRO hockey. And you know that the Oilers have gained respect with what they've done with him because I remember last year how they were talking about Washington asking the Oilers what all they did with Hemsky so they could apply that to Semin (who according to your logic has REALLY low value).

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York - The key part of the trade. If he wasn't included there would be no deal.
Of course they'd want him - he was our best forward last year until that freak accident wrist injury. He alone is better/more valuable then Bonk is right now.
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Ulanov - If we got Volchenkov, There would be no room for Igor. Igor would be a good filler in the Otta dcorps.
Sure, so we get Volchenkov - but look at the Oilers organization.... do you really think they should trade their most talented forward for a defense prospect when they have Brewer, Semenov, Greene, Lynch, Woywitka for the future... no, that's right, that woudl be exceptionaly stupid when you look and see that Salmo is the next youngster in line after Hemmer - we talk about needed higher end players, but you want to trade our ONE guy with higher end potential for a guy who at best will be a GREAT defensive/grit defenseman.Volchenkov isn't even the type of blueliner we need - a Hamhuis is what we need. Also, Volchenkov is JUST as injury prone as Pouliot is, if either of them could have that said about them.

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I see my trade proposal as being similar to the Marchment Bonsignore Kelly for Hamrlik trade.

We get an awesome future star prospect(Volchenkov) in return for expendable fodder and we get immediate help from Bonk. If you're so hung up on this being an overpay maybe the Oilers should add a second rounder and they can add Emery/Lalime? \

MAP - During his draft year he was the only guy i wished the Oilers wouldn't get. I wanted the Oilers to go after Richards, Bernier (but he was taken 1 pick earlier then we traded that pick away) or even Parise. If he does make the NHL he won't make an impact. I see MAP as a Caron type player who misses a lot of hockey except in MAP's case it's because he'e very very very injury prone.

Hemsky - His talent will not be utilized here in Edmonton's 3rd line. That's a slap in the face of the most talented player on the team. Anyways his market worth is very low. He's soft, doesn't shoot, and extrmely inconsistent. Blah blah blah he's only 20 years old. i know. Let's make up excuses for him.

York - The key part of the trade. If he wasn't included there would be no deal.

Ulanov - If we got Volchenkov, There would be no room for Igor. Igor would be a good filler in the Otta dcorps.
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Outkast... when you claim Bonk is a #1 centre, you pretty much waste your time in typing anything else after.

I don't know how much crack it took for you to come to the conclusion that Bonk is a #1 centre, but the monetary value was probably enough to put my kids and grandkids (god willing) through college...

Yeah, hemsky is the most talented player in the organization... and JDD is the most talented goaltender, and Wyowitka is the most talented defensemen.

Suprise suprise, 2 of the other most talented players in the system haven't been in an NHL game yet... it does take more than talent.

And Volchenkov has already had 2 very worrying injuries, a concussion and a shoulder injury, yet Pouliot is injury prone?

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correction: Brewer is the most talented and will always be more talented than Woywitka will ever be. Offensively: IMO Lynch is more effective than Woywitka. You know it and i know it.

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correction: Brewer is the most talented and will always be more talented than Woywitka will ever be. Offensively: IMO Lynch is more effective than Woywitka. You know it and i know it.
Wyowitka is going to be a better offensive player than either Brewer or Lynch. Both Lynch and Brewer are probably going to be better defensively, but that I wouldn't bet much money on.

Wyowitka dominated a lot of games this year in Toronto... and I don't use that word lightly. Several times he completely controlled every aspect of the game in both ends of the ice, and that is very rare, especially for a defenseman.

So no, you and I don't know anything...

I still think Wyowitka has the highest potential of any defenseman in the system, and Lynch has the best chance to reach his top potential.

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