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12-30-2010, 12:27 PM
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Anything for Frk's Spear Job?

Alright, I have no issues with the supplemental discipline that was dished out for the ruthless checks the last couple days but where is the suspension for Frk's spear job on Gudbranson? Does the IIHF define a spear to the groin area differently than the NHL defines it? (similar to their different interpretation of "head") or are ballcrushing jabs with a stick simply legal now? I did some searching for info on a suspension for the kid but didn't see anything.

While I'm at it, what is it about Gudbranson that attracts spears to his groin. Apparently Kassian gave him a good one in camp as well, it makes me wonder if he's got a magnet in his cup.

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12-30-2010, 12:29 PM
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Wasn't that a spear to the head?

OK...maybe not the head what most people think of but still......

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Don't think they are defined in a different way, didn't see this one though. YT?

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He's playing tonight. They have automatic 1 game suspension only for checks to "head and neck area".

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It's hard to believe that there is no suspension. Not surprised by what Frk did though, the Czechs are masters at stickwork, always have been, always will be.

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If Kassian's check is worth 2 games (it isn't), this jab to the balls should be worth 1 at least.

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Is what he did even definable as a spear?

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Is what he did even definable as a spear?
It was more of a sensative hook. Would've been intersting to see a 5+Gm for Hooking.

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Is what he did even definable as a spear?
The on-ice officials thought so...

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It's hard to believe that there is no suspension. Not surprised by what Frk did though, the Czechs are masters at stickwork, always have been, always will be.
Thank you for your kind words. All Czechs are happy you are feeling better now;-)

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It's hard to believe that there is no suspension. Not surprised by what Frk did though, the Czechs are masters at stickwork, always have been, always will be.
Tim "Dr. Hook" McCracken doesn't agree with you.


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Yup. That´s Frk alright

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To paint all Czechs with that brush is ridiculous, but what he did is worse imo than what Kassian did. The IIHF is showing that hits to the head are more important to them than stick work. It was a cheap shot, by a player with a reputation for cheap shots.

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If Kassian's check is worth 2 games (it isn't), this jab to the balls should be worth 1 at least.
I feel it was worth 2.

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Maybe next time Kassian will slash a player in the balls instead of trying to land a good hockey check, less punishment!

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12-30-2010, 12:57 PM
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This shouldn't be anything new. Everyone knows that historically the Czechs would use their sticks to spear, slash, etc. as a ploy to win in international tournaments. It's not as bad now, but guys like Owen Nolan would agree that the Czechs are known for this kind of stuff.

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Maybe next time Kassian will slash a player in the balls instead of trying to land a good hockey check, less punishment!
Or he could just read the rules before he goes to WJC.

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I feel it was worth 2.
Not what this thread is about, I just used it as a comparison point, I shouldn't have added the "it isn't" as there is already a thread for that.

What do you think about Frk then? Suspension worthy?

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Or he could just read the rules before he goes to WJC.
Where in the rules is it allowed to hook another player through the cup region?

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To paint all Czechs with that brush is ridiculous, but what he did is worse imo than what Kassian did. The IIHF is showing that hits to the head are more important to them than stick work. It was a cheap shot, by a player with a reputation for cheap shots.
I´m not at all defending what Frk did. It was quite a lame and stupid thing to do and in my opinion he should have gotten a one day suspension. It would have at least shown him to not do this stupid stuff again and not mindlessly weaken his team (which sucks in PK btw:-) )

However I do understand IIHF´s policy - looking at head and neck injuries with more concern. They are just more life threatening than stick fouls and potential for truly heavy injuries is higher...plain and simple.

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Where in the rules is it allowed to hook another player through the cup region?
Nobody said it's allowed, I was talking about Kassian that bam83 metioned.

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However I do understand IIHF´s policy - looking at head and neck injuries with more concern. They are just more life threatening than stick fouls and potential for truly heavy injuries is higher...plain and simple.
Tell that to Gudbranson and his unborn children. I'll take a stick to the face over a stick to the sack any day of the week and twice on sunday.

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Or he could just read the rules before he goes to WJC.
If he was 2 inches shorter or the Czech player got up off the ice there wouldn't have been a suspension. It was very borderline - late if anything.

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If he was 2 inches shorter or the Czech player got up off the ice there wouldn't have been a suspension. It was very borderline - late if anything.
You could take it one furhter, if the Czech player had gotten up, there wouldn't have even been a penalty. Both refs (you can clearly see from different replays) are looking directly at the play and neither is going to call a penalty.

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If he was 2 inches shorter or the Czech player got up off the ice there wouldn't have been a suspension. It was very borderline - late if anything.
I know. I'm not sure but IIHF rules aren't saying anything about height of the players, are they? If not, then it doesn't matter. Also they say that possible injury does affect form of the penalty, which is going to be called.

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