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01-01-2011, 04:37 PM
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Only if he he deserves it. I would be fine with him at 3LC.

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01-01-2011, 04:39 PM
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Fraser looks like a guy who is a stop gap solution to me. His faceoffs are not very good and that's what he was brought in to do. He's a guy I'm looking at as a deadline tradeable asset.

Lander, O'Marra and a few others should be fighting for that spot next year, or a UFA signing perhaps. O'Marra needs to get his f/o percentage up, but he looks good with his chemistry right now.

Lander does look good, but perhaps he comes over and spends some time on the farm. I guess we'll see next year.

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Fraser should have never been signed

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Unlikely.
Lander needs at least a year in the AHL. Even MPS' transition to the NHL hasn't been smooth.
Agreed. With Paajarvi I was clammoring all offseason that he needed to spend time in the AHL. First year over here, lots of new things to adjust to, there wouldn't be enough top 6 minutes for all the kids, wouldn't get any PP time with the big club, and his contract wouldn't then start until next season so we wouldn't have he, Eberle, and Hall all come up at the same time. He definitly played good enough in camp to make the squad but they still should have sent him down, it would have been better for his development IMO but they are professionals. Anyways, hope they don't do the same with Lander. He looks great, but I think needs to put on some weight and it's better to ease him into this situation. Next year I believe is the year we make the youth movement on our blueline with at least 2 rookies brought in (Petry and Plante).

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01-01-2011, 04:46 PM
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Fraser should have never been signed
No doubt hey, he is THE reason for everything that has gone wrong this season....

We got him for a 6th round pick, the kid is on the 4th line, has some grit, willing to drop the mits and has a ring. What the hell was the harm?

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01-01-2011, 04:48 PM
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People are forgetting about Vande Velde, he was one of the final cuts in camp and I think he should be next in line after O'Marra for Frasers spot.
I think it was on Oilers Lunch that I heard he has REALLY been struggling so far this season. Lander has been having a good season in the SEL and now we're seeing proof of it at the WJC.

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I dont think Lander will be spending any time in the AHL.

Unlike most Europeans, the small ice benifits his game. It will be a much easier transition for him than it has been for Omark and MPS.

Vande Velde's +/- is a bit alarming considering he is supposed to be a defense first center. But it seems like most of that came in the begining of the year, and he has since been putting up respectable defensive numbers on a pretty average defensive team.

Having Lander, Pitlick, and Vande Velde all competing for the same spots on the team is the kind of compition that will produce good players.

EDIT: Regarding Fraser, i dont think he will be with us after this year, but it wont be because of Lander. He was brought in to fill a hole, and he hasnt filled it very well... a waist of a 6th round pick, that spot could have been filled by a number of guys in OKC.

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01-01-2011, 04:52 PM
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I dont think Lander will be spending any time in the AHL.

Unlike most Europeans, the small ice benifits his game. It will be a much easier transition for him than it has been for Omark and MPS.
Vande Velde's +/- is a bit alarming considering he is supposed to be a defense first center. But it seems like most of that came in the begining of the year, and he has since been putting up respectable defensive numbers on a pretty average defensive team.

Having Lander, Pitlick, and Vande Velde all competing for the same spots on the team is the kind of compition that will produce good players.
I heard this EXACT argument for Paajarvi. Add to that, what's the harm in playing in the AHL?! Some posters need to get over the thought that the AHL is going to hurt these kids. No kid has ever been hurt by playing in the AHL. Now someone is going to throw Schremp at me, but Schremp wasn't hurt by the AHL, he was hurt by this organization's lack of developing prospects and being too cheap to get there own farm team. Same with JDD IMO.

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01-01-2011, 04:56 PM
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Theres a lot of players that can boot Fraser next year. The guy is terrible.

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01-01-2011, 05:03 PM
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People are forgetting about Vande Velde, he was one of the final cuts in camp and I think he should be next in line after O'Marra for Frasers spot.
Agreed, that said he has to up his game at the AHL level. Lander IMO could be in tough to make the club especially if we draft Couturier or Strome and break them in next year. If so Lander may need to break in on the wing which is already crowded.

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01-01-2011, 05:18 PM
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Hamilton-Lander-Pitlick
Hartikainen-O'Marra-Vande Velde

That bottom 6 is shaping very nicely if all these guys develop as expected.

for the top 6, keep:

Hall-Horcoff-Eberle
Paajarvi-Gagner-Hemsky

Hopefully, somebody like Couturier eventually replaces Horcoff as No.1 center.

Use Penner, Cogliano and Omark to boost defense prospects pool or add a few more picks.

Penner for Teuebert+3d
Cogliano for 3d
Omark for 2nd or Wiercioch.

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01-01-2011, 06:10 PM
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Hamilton-Lander-Pitlick
Hartikainen-O'Marra-Vande Velde

That bottom 6 is shaping very nicely if all these guys develop as expected.

for the top 6, keep:

Hall-Horcoff-Eberle
Paajarvi-Gagner-Hemsky

Hopefully, somebody like Couturier eventually replaces Horcoff as No.1 center.

Use Penner, Cogliano and Omark to boost defense prospects pool or add a few more picks.

Penner for Teuebert+3d
Cogliano for 3d
Omark for 2nd or Wiercioch.
I don't like pointing this out, but then where does Horcoff go? I think there is a 50/50 chance we draft a center for our top 6 at the draft, but we still have Horcoff on the books for another 4 seasons. I would suggest that one of those guys on your proposed 4th line comes out and Horcoff goes to Lander's spot, Lander goes to the 4th line....of course that's assuming all those kids make it and while I like what I hear about most of them it's highly unlikely they all will. I am geeked at the thought of Pitlick and Hamilton as big physical wingers on our 3rd line in a few years, and if you were to put Horcoff with those kids that could be an ELITE 3rd line if the kids pan out.

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01-01-2011, 06:14 PM
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People are forgetting about Vande Velde, he was one of the final cuts in camp and I think he should be next in line after O'Marra for Frasers spot.
yeah, if he wasn't playing like poo in the AHL.

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01-01-2011, 06:16 PM
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without going off the deep

for those who think Lander can go straight into the NHL next year lack a clear understanding of the difference between North American Hockey and European hockey. It goes beyond that of just ice size..

We talk about how we rused gagner and we still talk about rushing Martin Gelinas sometimes and Jason Arnott.

People should not talk about Lander hitting the NHL until atleast 2 season from now--anything before that he could be tossed to the wolves. He will be a good player--we can not rush him. We have lots of kids and we can offord proper development

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without going off the deep

for those who think Lander can go straight into the NHL next year lack a clear understanding of the difference between North American Hockey and European hockey. It goes beyond that of just ice size..

We talk about how we rused gagner and we still talk about rushing Martin Gelinas sometimes and Jason Arnott.

People should not talk about Lander hitting the NHL until atleast 2 season from now--anything before that he could be tossed to the wolves. He will be a good player--we can not rush him. We have lots of kids and we can offord proper development
Agreed. The best thing to do with the kids like Lander, Hamilton, Pitlick would be to sign stop gaps to give them time in the minors, which all 3 can play in the AHL next season (Pitlick and Hamilton both late 91 birth). Sign some 3rd and 4th line vets to 1 or 2 year deals. No need to rush any of these kids.

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Colin Fraser is the most useless player on the team!

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Fraser should be booted off the team right now.

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01-01-2011, 07:10 PM
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yeah, if he wasn't playing like poo in the AHL.
It's so surprising to me. He looked so good in camp I don't get it.

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It's so surprising to me. He looked so good in camp I don't get it.
same here. Heck, even back in July he stood out in my eyes.

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There is 10 months before the start of next year. A lot can happen in that time frame. Sure Lander is doing well at the WJC, but lets not forget he is a 19 year old who has been playing with men in Sweden. Should he not be doing this well in the WJC?

I don't want to take anything away from the guy, as I like what I'm seeing but it's too early to start handing spots out.

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Lander will take Cogliano's spot and Omarra will take Fraser's spot.

I think Fraser and Hemsky will be gone by the deadline this season. Just a hunch, someone may see Frasers experiance in the playoffs to be worth paying high for at the deadline. Tambellini will be offered a deal he cant refuse for Hemsky, I think there may be a bidding war for Hemsky at the deadline if he is healthy.
This would be my ideal situation.

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I think some people need to get a grasp of some hockey realities

1) Lander is 19 years old
2) This is the WJC and he is playing against guys his own age and not hardened nhl vets
3)MPS has a betteCV and will be a healthy scratch tonight
4) Oilers have tossed a lot of kids into the line up and have the time now to develop the ones not here
5) There is a big difference between NHL playe and european play
6)Gagner was a center who the oilers rushed and we screwed up--developing a guy who is not as talented is a good thing--let him develop properly
7) Look at logan in SJ and there is an example of lettingh guys develop

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See post 45. The rest is just assumptions without much fact involved.

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Lander is only 19 years old. Another year in Sweden wouldn't be a bad idea. Let him come over in 2012.

When do they have to sign him by?

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