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01-01-2011, 09:00 PM
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was Wayne Gretzky have a "No Hit Zone" for other players?

ive heard some old people tell me this that they think there was a no hit rule on Gretz because he was a draw and brang in tonnes of money into the nhl.



what you guys think? he wasnt the fastest guy out there and rarely got hit. and when he did get hit the guy that delivered the hit never played another nhl game. forget his name

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Yes, it was called the 'don't hit Gretzky or Semenko will pound your face in' rule.

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Yes, there was a no-hit zone around Gretzky.


His name was Dave Semenko.

And it wasn't that the guy who hit Gretzky was kicked out of the league, it was that they told him not to hit Gretzky because it would wake the Oilers up, he did it anyways and the Oilers pounded them for it, on the ice and scoreboard.

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he never played another shift in the NHL

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and when he did get hit the guy that delivered the hit never played another nhl game. forget his name
The myth that will never die

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he never played another shift in the NHL
Yes he did. That wasn't even his last game.

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The myth that will never die



Yes he did. That wasn't even his last game.
the guy just didnt have enough skill in the nhl

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The myth that will never die



Yes he did. That wasn't even his last game.
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Bill McCreary is most remembered for his open ice hit on Wayne Gretzky on January 14, 1981. The hit was remarkable because it was the first time that Gretzky had been hit hard in his young career and it left Gretzky on the ice for several minutes. The incident received considerable press and it was widely publicized the next day in the newspapers. After the hit McCreary never played another game in the NHL.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_McCreary,_Jr.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...y.php?pid=3533

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1978-79 Colgate University ECAC 24 19 25 44 70
1979-80 Colgate University ECAC 12 7 13 20 44
1980-81 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 12 1 0 1 4 -- -- -- -- --
1980-81 New Brunswick Hawks AHL 61 19 24 43 120 12 2 0 2 13
1981-82 Cincinnati Tigers CHL 69 8 27 35 61 4 0 4 4 2
1982-83 Saginaw Gears IHL 60 19 28 47 17 -- -- -- -- --
1982-83 Peoria Prancers IHL 16 4 6 10 11 -- -- -- -- --
1982-83 St. Catharines Saints AHL 4 0 1 1 2 -- -- -- -- --
1983-84 Milwaukee Admirals IHL 81 28 35 63 44 4 0 2 2 2
1984-85 Milwaukee Admirals IHL 10 1 10 11 4 -- -- -- -- --
1985-86 Milwaukee Admirals IHL 80 30 31 61 83 5 3 0 3 6
1986-87 Milwaukee Admirals IHL 74 30 35 65 64 6 2 2 4 10
1987-88 Milwaukee Admirals IHL 67 23 30 53 51 -- -- -- -- --
NHL Totals 12 1 0 1 4
no games after 1981


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ive heard some old people tell me this that they think there was a no hit rule on Gretz because he was a draw and brang in tonnes of money into the nhl.



what you guys think? he wasnt the fastest guy out there and rarely got hit. and when he did get hit the guy that delivered the hit never played another nhl game. forget his name
Please stop posting blatant lies and trying to pass them off as fact.

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ive heard some old people tell me this that they think there was a no hit rule on Gretz because he was a draw and brang in tonnes of money into the nhl.



what you guys think? he wasnt the fastest guy out there and rarely got hit. and when he did get hit the guy that delivered the hit never played another nhl game. forget his name
Yea... no. There was a team-imposed no hit zone, because they knew Semenko, McSorley, and others would come after them and their superstars twice as hard. It just really didn't happen much. Gretzky got hooked and slashed as much as anybody.

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I have something to tell you about wikipedia

Any ignorant idiot can edit it

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no games after 1981
Look closely at those stats. Notice anything? He wasn't an NHL caliber player. He was mediocre at best in the IHL. That's why he never made it back to the show.

Why would an NHL team want him? He got lucky and caught Gretzky with his head down, that's the only notable thing he ever did.


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Semenko would beat the crap out of you or Mess will welcome you to his famous 'Hellbows'.

Similar stuff with Sid right now, to a lesser extent Godard and Orpik.

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The Oilers-Leafs game where the hit happened was January 3, 1981. Here's a game summary from the Leafs-Jets game on January 7 with McCreary getting a penalty:

http://www.flyershistory.com/cgi-bin....cgi?H19800419

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McCreary hit Gretzky in his 2nd game. He played 12 that season.


Please try again.

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I have something to tell you about wikipedia

Any ignorant idiot can edit it
But erroneous edits are usually caught pretty quick and repaired.

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The Oilers-Leafs game where the hit happened was January 3, 1981. Here's a game summary from the Leafs-Jets game on January 7 with McCreary getting a penalty:

http://www.flyershistory.com/cgi-bin....cgi?H19800419
the game was jan 14th.

http://www.dropyourgloves.com/Fights...ate=1981-01-14

http://www.dropyourgloves.com/Fights...spx?Game=34336

Also re-read the wikipedia blurb

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no games after 1981

Look closely at those stats. Notice anything? He wasn't an NHL caliber player. He was mediocre at best in the IHL. That's why he never made it back to the show.

Why would an NHL team want him? He got lucky and caught Gretzky with his head down, that's the only notable thing he ever did.
yes, but erroneous mistakes are usually caught and corrected, this has been up for years and I've never found any evidence on any other site saying otherwise.

And I wasn't saying he was an NHL caliber player, but considering they gave him the boot after that hit on Gretzky, I have to assume that nailing the great one had SOME impact on his career.

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But erroneous edits are usually caught pretty quick and repaired.
Not in this case.

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This crap again?

This is a recent response from the history of hockey board that sums it up well:

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...ahh that old chestnut of ignorance again huh? Man....



I usually just post a link to the thread: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=528494

But recently I came across a great highlight, it is subtle, but very telling.



When Gretzky first gets the puck at center ice, a Hawk comes charging right at him, if he (Gretz) was stupid, he would have tried to skate with the puck and been squashed. Instead he curls away, (lacrosse), almost immediately. Called shying away from contact by most coaches, and will usually get you benched unless you prove your worth in other areas, (like being the greatest offensive force in history...lol).

It was the sort of thing you saw from Wayne a dozen times a game, he is threatened with contact, so he shies away, and gets rid of the puck, if you continued on and hit him anyway, which was certainly tried, (more than once by my Bruins; sadly, with no success in the playoffs), you took yourself completely out of the play he just made....

...and that was the thing. When he "got rid of the puck" it was almost always with a purpose. He made a play.

Wayne didn't do a whole lot of dumping in his career.

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the game was jan 14th.

http://www.dropyourgloves.com/Fights...ate=1981-01-14

Also re-read the wikipedia blurb
Please stop quoting false information from Wikipedia as if it is undisputed fact.

This myth has been thoroughly debunked on the History of Hockey board by posters who actually know what they are talking about.

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The Short Career Of Bill McCreary Jr.

It’s one of hockey’s greatest myths.

I hear it all the time.

“Have I ever told you about the time Gretzky got hit by that Leaf…”, some old hockey fan would tell me at a bar.

“Toronto’s Billy McCreary catches Wayne with his head down and crunches Wayne with a beauty! Funny thing folks, Billy never played another shift in the National Hockey League!” Don Cherry in Rock ‘Em Sock ‘Em III.

McCreary hit the Great One and never played another shift in the national Hockey League. He was blacklisted!

So goes the legend.

The reality is that game in question was not Bill McCreary’s last game. And no he did not become a linesman after he retired. It was his second NHL game, actually. And he had ten more games to play in the NHL after the hit on Gretzky.

More at:
http://scottsportsworld.blogspot.com...creary-jr.html

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the game was jan 14th.

http://www.dropyourgloves.com/Fights...ate=1981-01-14

Also re-read the wikipedia blurb
Wikipedia is wrong on both counts. The game was January 3. Look at the video, the Oilers are in white, the home colour then, and there's an Oilers logo on the ice. Toronto played in Edmonton twice that year, once in October and once on January 3.

Edit: the Toronto schedule that year is here - http://www.hockey-reference.com/team...981_games.html


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the game was jan 14th.

http://www.dropyourgloves.com/Fights...ate=1981-01-14

http://www.dropyourgloves.com/Fights...spx?Game=34336

Also re-read the wikipedia blurb



yes, but erroneous mistakes are usually caught and corrected, this has been up for years and I've never found any evidence on any other site saying otherwise.

And I wasn't saying he was an NHL caliber player, but considering they gave him the boot after that hit on Gretzky, I have to assume that nailing the great one had SOME impact on his career.
This is just one of those urban myths people don't bother to educate themselves about. A lot of people WANT to believe it, and I wouldn't be surprised if this bogus info has been fixed in the article before only to have someone edit it back in because they don't know better or they have an agenda against Gretzky.

McCreary sucked. A guy like Rich Pilon didn't suck, and thus played for a long time after nailing Gretzky.

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This is just one of those urban myths people don't bother to educate themselves about. A lot of people WANT to believe it, and I wouldn't be surprised if this bogus info has been fixed in the article before only to have someone edit it back in because they don't know better or they have an agenda against Gretzky.

McCreary sucked. A guy like Rich Pilon didn't suck, and thus played for a long time after nailing Gretzky.
I just took it out a few minutes ago.

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Please stop quoting false information from Wikipedia as if it is undisputed fact.

This myth has been thoroughly debunked on the History of Hockey board by posters who actually know what they are talking about.
like I said, I've never seen any database or record site that debunks this. Every record I've seen backs up the "didn't play again" story.

If I saw actual evidence (and not a blog..like posted above) on a stats page or a database site I'd change my mind (I really dont care about the incident).

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