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12-28-2010, 09:59 PM
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I think both teams do it.

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12-28-2010, 10:00 PM
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I think both teams do it.
TB says no.

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12-28-2010, 10:01 PM
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i dont think the flames do it

without kiprusoff i have a hard time seeing them competitive with whoever they put in net, unless they signed nabokov

i think if they moved kipper would be for a young center, however does find iginla that number 1 center

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12-28-2010, 10:02 PM
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TB says no.
Reallly?

why?

I mean they have the worst goalie tandem in the NHL and still are playing great.

they shed salary and pick up a star goalie.

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12-28-2010, 10:04 PM
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Reallly?

why?

I mean they have the worst goalie tandem in the NHL and still are playing great.

they shed salary and pick up a star goalie.
They dont need to shed salary (and shedding what 1m-2m a year isnt that big of a deal). And while Kipper is obviously better than what we have, I dont consider him a star goalie and I certainly wouldnt trade Vinny for him. Especially since Vinny is starting to look like old Vinny again since he has come back from his broken wrist.

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12-28-2010, 10:06 PM
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Right. Calgary is a cap-strapped team, so clearly, the solution to that problem is to trade its number-one goalie and one of the only reasons it's been vaguely competitive these last few years for a formerly-elite center who's been ravaged by injuries, has clearly lost several steps because of that, and has a contract that costs $1.5 million more per year and lasts six years longer than that of said number-one goalie. While we're at it, maybe we can trade Iginla for Scott Gomez and Regehr for Wade Redden.

Tampa takes that deal and runs. The Flames get cornholed BAD.

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12-28-2010, 10:07 PM
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Calgary does not do it.

It is a backwards step for CGY. They take ON salary while becoming worse. Kipprusoff is Calgary's most valueable player and has been for a while now. If we were ever going to trade him it would be in a rebuild mode. In which Lecavalier does not help at all.

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12-28-2010, 10:09 PM
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Matt Smaby, Vlad Mihalik and the rights to Riku Helenius to Calgary for a first is far more realistic.

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How about something based around Kipper and Connolly?

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12-28-2010, 10:17 PM
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How about something based around Kipper and Connolly?


Yeah right.

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12-28-2010, 10:17 PM
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Backwards move for both teams. Calgary acquires a possibly overpaid, high salary forward with lingering injury concerns, whilst TB trades their potentially recovering to form captain in the midst of their most successful season since the lockout.

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12-28-2010, 10:19 PM
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TB says no.
HA! Stevie Y says yes and hangs up the phone so fast his head spins! Rid of that awful contract and gets an all star goalie to help his playoff-bound team. In no way, shape or form does Tampa turn this down.

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12-28-2010, 10:20 PM
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Not a bad deal at all value wise I think it's kinda fair but I just don't see the Flames making the playoffs with out Kipper even adding Lecavalier to their team.

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12-28-2010, 10:24 PM
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Can't see either team doing it. Calgary might if they offer their 2004 cup rings.

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12-28-2010, 10:27 PM
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HA! Stevie Y says yes and hangs up the phone so fast his head spins! Rid of that awful contract and gets an all star goalie to help his playoff-bound team. In no way, shape or form does Tampa turn this down.
Yes, they really do.

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12-28-2010, 10:32 PM
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HA! Stevie Y says yes and hangs up the phone so fast his head spins! Rid of that awful contract and gets an all star goalie to help his playoff-bound team. In no way, shape or form does Tampa turn this down.
Riiiiiiiight.

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12-28-2010, 10:36 PM
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Riiiiiiiight.
Wow if Tampa fans really think this is a 'bad deal' to trade for a star goaltender when their biggest (and I do mean BIG) problem is goaltending, while in the meantime shedding a huge, ridiculous salary then you guys are worse off than I thought lol.

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TB gets a much cheaper option in Roloson and the same level of production

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12-28-2010, 10:40 PM
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Wow if Tampa fans really think this is a 'bad deal' to trade for a star goaltender when their biggest (and I do mean BIG) problem is goaltending, while in the meantime shedding a huge, ridiculous salary then you guys are worse off than I thought lol.
If you can't understand how Dom Moore isn't an adequate replacement for Vincent Lecavalier, that hes our captain, and that he has a no movement clause making any trade difficult at the absolute minimum for an aging goaltender going on 35 next season to a team that is arguably worse defensively and could make him look at lot worse, I don't think you actually know anything about the lightning.

We want a goaltender... but why trade our captain when you have a cheaper, easier option in Roloson, especially hes been on MUCH worse teams and posted better numbers than Kipper?

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12-28-2010, 10:49 PM
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If you can't understand how Dom Moore isn't an adequate replacement for Vincent Lecavalier, that hes our captain, and that he has a no movement clause making any trade difficult at the absolute minimum for an aging goaltender going on 35 next season to a team that is arguably worse defensively and could make him look at lot worse, I don't think you actually know anything about the lightning.

We want a goaltender... but why trade our captain when you have a cheaper, easier option in Roloson, especially hes been on MUCH worse teams and posted better numbers than Kipper?
LOL alright you're right you guys are gonna be fine with him lol brutal. Come back to me at the deadline after Vinny has been traded for less lol.

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12-28-2010, 11:15 PM
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TB says no.
Reallly?

why?

I mean they have the worst goalie tandem in the NHL and still are playing great.

they shed salary and pick up a star goalie.

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12-28-2010, 11:16 PM
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Reallly?

why?

I mean they have the worst goalie tandem in the NHL and still are playing great.

they shed salary and pick up a star goalie.
Why give up a 70 point player who is your captain and would have to force out by getting him to waive an NMC when you can send a pick and project prospect to the Isles for the same goaltending on a better contract?

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12-28-2010, 11:22 PM
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Why give up a 70 point player who is your captain and would have to force out by getting him to waive an NMC when you can send a pick and project prospect to the Isles for the same goaltending on a better contract?
Because theres like 9 years left on his contract....

and vinny athough is a great player...he isnt going to get better from here.

Its smart cap management and really when you asess their situation it would make more sense for them to go after Richards or Semin in the offseason being that they are players that will contribute alot to that team and live up to their contracts.

What makes sense is they trade Vinny for Kipper and then a 2nd for Arnott

Offseason they go after a good D to start to formulate a strong core.

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2009/10
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Kipper 2.31 .920
Roloson 3.00 .907

Kipper has had a bad start to the year on an awful underachieving Calgary team and still is at a 2.67GAA where Roloson is at 2.63, not much of a difference. Kipper is a much better goalie than Roloson, 7 years younger so he would endure a playoff run better than Roloson whose miracle run was 5 years ago. Aside from a higher cap hit theres not much downside to taking Kipper over Roloson.


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One thing that hasn't really been addressed by the supporters (trolls?) ... why does TB need to trade their captain (with whom they seem to be happy despite his contract, which won't look as large in the future due to inflation) for an aging goalie at this stage? Look at the age of TB's team. Do they need to push for a cup right now? No, they just needed to ice a good product and put butts in seats. They've done that. Anything beyond the first round of the playoffs is a bonus. They're not going to sell out future years for this year when they've got plenty of time to sort out issues from within.

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