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01-05-2011, 09:54 PM
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It's not like he's playing against NYI to pad his stats.

He started against Tampa, Dallas (road) & SJ (road) just to name a few and is still undefeated in regulation.
look im not saying he cant be good, alot of great players have bad games, but what I am saying is that there are a ton of factors that play to his advantage right now, and this has to be taken into account.

Any GM would be foolish to give up great assets based upon the limited exposure under ideal conditions, Mason was even better,how would you feel id you had traded Kesler for Mason at that point?

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01-05-2011, 09:58 PM
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look im not saying he cant be good, alot of great players have bad games, but what I am saying is that there are a ton of factors that play to his advantage right now, and this has to be taken into account.

Any GM would be foolish to give up great assets based upon the limited exposure under ideal conditions, Mason was even better,how would you feel id you had traded Kesler for Mason at that point?
How would you feel if you traded Brad Richards for Mike Smith..... it happens so its not out of the question.

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01-05-2011, 10:13 PM
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look im not saying he cant be good, alot of great players have bad games, but what I am saying is that there are a ton of factors that play to his advantage right now, and this has to be taken into account.

Any GM would be foolish to give up great assets based upon the limited exposure under ideal conditions, Mason was even better,how would you feel id you had traded Kesler for Mason at that point?
Playing SJ on the road as the 2nd game of a back-to-back is possibly the worst situation a Vancouver goalie could face, up there with facing the Blackhawks back in Vancouver.

He hasn't been sheltered this season.

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Schneider's value right now is high - because it would take a lot to get him out of Vancouver this season. The Canucks don't have a proven backup, and are looking to contend for the Cup, with as much depth as possible in every position.

The ideal time to trade him would be next deadline... it gives Lack plenty of time to move up the depth chart (so you don't have to burn value to get a backup), and asset return is usually higher at the deadline than the offseason.

This season however, if you want Schneider you'd have to overpay at a level that doesn't make sense. A GM that has talked extensively about adding depth in every position, isn't going to deal a quality backup, when they don't have one otherwise, in a season they are trying to win the Cup.

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01-06-2011, 12:04 AM
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You guys are right. Why give up assets for Schneider when you could get a 41yo Roloson on the cheap?.

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01-06-2011, 12:32 AM
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Schneider's value right now is high - because it would take a lot to get him out of Vancouver this season. The Canucks don't have a proven backup, and are looking to contend for the Cup, with as much depth as possible in every position.

The ideal time to trade him would be next deadline... it gives Lack plenty of time to move up the depth chart (so you don't have to burn value to get a backup), and asset return is usually higher at the deadline than the offseason.

This season however, if you want Schneider you'd have to overpay at a level that doesn't make sense. A GM that has talked extensively about adding depth in every position, isn't going to deal a quality backup, when they don't have one otherwise, in a season they are trying to win the Cup.
I may be mistaken, but teams willing to overpay at the deadline will do so for proven players able to contribute in the playoffs therefore I don't see how Schneider could have a higher value at the deadline than during the summer.

Also has there been any rumblings about Schneider not being happy about his back-up role? A player with his talent and at his age, almost 25, will want to play a significant amount of games sooner than later.

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01-06-2011, 12:37 AM
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Also has there been any rumblings about Schneider not being happy about his back-up role? A player with his talent and at his age, almost 25, will want to play a significant amount of games sooner than later.
Was speculated by Canucks fans that he wouldnt be happy in the back-up role but he signed the contract and always seems to be smiling. Apparently he and Gillis 'have a plan'.

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01-06-2011, 05:26 PM
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1) Cap will only go up.
2) Luongo is locked at 5.33 cap hit.
3) Why wouldn't it be possible that Schneider gets extended and get more work load? I wouldn't mind paying him 1.67 (a 770k raise, 80+%) for another 2 years, taking him to the last year of RFA status. And then deal him then if needed.

If Schneider keeps up his development, at 26, playing maybe 30-35 games a season behind Luongo, RFA, would he not get much more value?

At that point, Lack would be able to step in and be the back up as well.

GMMG has a plan, and he isn't letting anyone know about it.

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01-06-2011, 05:43 PM
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I may be mistaken, but teams willing to overpay at the deadline will do so for proven players able to contribute in the playoffs therefore I don't see how Schneider could have a higher value at the deadline than during the summer.

Also has there been any rumblings about Schneider not being happy about his back-up role? A player with his talent and at his age, almost 25, will want to play a significant amount of games sooner than later.
Well know one really knows whats going on in the dressing room. But going into this past offseason as an RFA, according to the CBA Schneider would have needed to play someone like 25 games this season or he'd reach group V UFA status in the 2011 offseason. A lot of us Canuck fans were worried about this, but much to our surprise and relief Schneider signed a two year deal. So he'll reach the minimum games and will be an RFA at the end of this current contract, keeping the ball in Vancouver's court when it comes to trading him.

That's one thing a lot of people overlook when talking about goalie trade value, they try to determine a static value on all goalies. It doesn't work that way though, goalie value fluctuates depending on market demand and availability. This is why San Jose got a 1st rounder back from Toronto for their backup Toskala, while a few months later Anaheim lost Bryzgalov to Phoenix on waivers for nothing. For the latter though I would guess rather than Bryzgalov having zero value it more came down to teams offering Burke a 3rd rounder or something minor like that and him telling them to 'give me more or I waive him' then carrying through on his threat.

How this relates to the Canucks and Schneider, is Gillis has plenty of time to ride things out until the time and value is right to make the trade.

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