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02-09-2011, 11:19 AM
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But there is a difference, Price learned, and changed his attitude, and is willing to improve. Not to mention, the guy has always had a pretty good head on his shoulders and was brought up well. Others have not, until they got kicked out the door.
Add to this that Price has never done something as bad as missing the plane or the bus to go to a game or practice(or not wanting to report to Hamilton)....which is the main reason Kostitsyn and Grabovski were traded. When you do something like that it's pretty usual that the organization didn't want to do anything with you anymore. It's unfortunate it happened 2 times with 2 different players in only 2 years, because it's kind of rare. Also, when the same thing happened in others organizations it very often result into the player being run out of town.

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But there is a difference, Price learned, and changed his attitude, and is willing to improve. Not to mention, the guy has always had a pretty good head on his shoulders and was brought up well. Others have not, until they got kicked out the door.
Not sure we let the others learned and improved....Both guys left almost immediately after those big incidents people are still referring to.

Add to that the fact that Price knew that the organization was behind him 100%, by their moves, by their actions and all. Not sure the others were given the same tap on the back....

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Add to this that Price has never done something as bad as missing the plane or the bus to go to a game or practice(or not wanting to report to Hamilton)....which is the main reason Kostitsyn and Grabovski were traded. When you do something like that it's pretty usual that the organization didn't want to do anything with you anymore. It's unfortunate it happened 2 times with 2 different players in only 2 years, because it's kind of rare. Also, when the same thing happened in others organizations it very often result into the player being run out of town.
So let's play a game here. You miss a bus, then realize how stupid you were and then straighten up is actually worst than being a pain in the ass for a full year (not saying that's exactly what Price was about)? There are so many things we don't know....but let say the "rumor" about Lapierre giving a big FU to Martin in the dressing room in front of everybody ends up right....Which is worst? Sorry, but to me, it's more than just one event as big as you think it could be. See, even the Roy incident for me was recuperable. A guy who goes on and speak to the Pres in front of everybody, had to be awful. But they could have worked it out if both the coach and player would have been willing to do so.

Just that going back....everytime we HAD to trade or let go a guy because of supposed bad behaviour, we almost lost the trade by an incredible wide margin. Aside from Laraque, the SKost, Grabs, Ribs and Roy trades have the chances to be amongst the worst one-sided trades in history. Just thought we should learn from that.


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Not sure we let the others learned and improved....Both guys left almost immediately after those big incidents people are still referring to.

Add to that the fact that Price knew that the organization was behind him 100%, by their moves, by their actions and all. Not sure the others were given the same tap on the back....
SK had many incidents, from locker rooms to asking for trades to not showing up with the Dogs, twice.
Grab's big incident was too obvious, in a profesional environment to be ignored. Also, getting 2nd round pick for him at that time, with only 27 NHL games and being a 150th overall pick is really not that bad.
Price was 'company's' biggest and most important asset, expecting players on a certain org to be treated the same, is wishfull thinking, its a company in the end, not a Family; values and 'education' will be different.
Also, price could of gone the wrong way last year, being benched and all, he could of went bonkers and ask for a trade and not reported bla bla, but he didnt, which is what makes it a different situation then SK and Grabs. Thinking Price knew the whole time, last season, that he was 'OK' with the club no matter what, is pure speculation and we see this season, by his play and interviews that he took last year as experience and learned from it.

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Just that going back....everytime we HAD to trade or let go a guy because of supposed bad behaviour, we almost lost the trade by an incredible wide margin. Aside from Laraque, the SKost, Grabs, Ribs and Roy trades have the chances to be amongst the worst one-sided trades in history. Just thought we should learn from that.
thats what, 4 ugly trades in a decade? is it really that bad? apart from Roy, would Grabs have had the opportunity to 'learn' the role of habs top 6? was there time and space , like the leafs? Ribs was bad trade, thats what you get when you have to work quick and probably under pressure to fix a situation.


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thats what, 4 ugly trades in a decade? is it really that bad? apart from Roy, would Grabs have had the opportunity to 'learn' the role of habs top 6?
there would have been had we kept him and NOT got fleeced in trading for Gomez...
Sure, he would have had growing pains, especially playing for Martin, but with all that extra cap space we could have brought in some quality depth to relieve him of the pressure to produce right away.

every ugly trade is bad, but it's especially bad when it involves young players the team has already invested time/money/opportunities in to develop, and even worse when the return is useless (a la Niniimaa), or is for picks/younger prospects b/c it doesn't help the team now and there is no way to know if it ever will.

Trading Grabs for a 2nd, only to then trade a 2nd to land Lang, was unbelievably poor asset management.

almost as bad as trading S.Kost for nothing, Lapierre for nothing, and O'byrne for a prospect that is years away from having a shot at the NHL.

i'm all for risk taking by a GM, but at some point you'd expect a half-decent GM to take some risks that actually pay off.

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02-10-2011, 06:12 AM
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SK had many incidents, from locker rooms to asking for trades to not showing up with the Dogs, twice.
Grab's big incident was too obvious, in a profesional environment to be ignored. Also, getting 2nd round pick for him at that time, with only 27 NHL games and being a 150th overall pick is really not that bad.
Price was 'company's' biggest and most important asset, expecting players on a certain org to be treated the same, is wishfull thinking, its a company in the end, not a Family; values and 'education' will be different.
Also, price could of gone the wrong way last year, being benched and all, he could of went bonkers and ask for a trade and not reported bla bla, but he didnt, which is what makes it a different situation then SK and Grabs. Thinking Price knew the whole time, last season, that he was 'OK' with the club no matter what, is pure speculation and we see this season, by his play and interviews that he took last year as experience and learned from it.
People would love to beleive there were a lot...but there wasn't. CLEARLY not at PK's extent....SKost made a big scene once as far as Hamilton is concerned and then, while I dissaproved it, we've already talked as if it made no sense for him to be sent down anyway....Pretty clear that he's showing what he's worth. And for whoever would like to believe that he was not going to show it here, guess what....he did. 8 points in 12 games in the hardest season of all.....the playoffs. And playing well enough in the regular season that THE MAJORITY of people here were saying that AKost and SKost were much better than having drafted Getzlaf....How great is that. And Grabs incident was big, no doubt. But totally not fixable? And again, aren't those 2 guys proving right now that their demotions made no sense whatsoever. It's one thing to act like you're great, it's another thing to proove it...and they did. They did with icetime and confidence. It's just a question of believing that they have the talent. Some did, they didn't. It's called evaluation of talent. They thought Pacioretty was ready when he first joined in...after a while where TONS of people were mentioning that he wasn't, they finally realized it and sent him down. And other examples like that. They made 1 great and important talent evaluation...Carey Price. Being poor at it doesn't mean that you fail everytime. But lately, there are more examples of failing than succeeding. Subban is NOT an exemple of succeeding, I mean, everybody including this board know the talent of the kid. They stick with Eller for how many games now? Been a long time since we mention that he's not ready for the NHL....will they realize it soon?

Price could have not reported....to what? Was he sent down in Hamilton? They did everything for the kid so you'd think he would not realize it? They didn't let him spend time in Hamilton, they traded a vet goalie to make room for him, they did everything they can so that he'd have a good season last year until they finally realize he didn't have it and then traded the most popular guy in the city to make room for him.....Sorry but if that's not knowing what they have in mind for you, I don't know what is. During that time, he had a poor work ethic and poor attitude and that's coming from respected journalists like Dany Dubé. He had locker room problems as well. When Markov tells you that if you are not interested in working, you better stay at home...if that's not an incident....Price turned it around at one point but you know why....it's called maturity. Something SKost and Grabs also had to worked on....But 1 guy was a high pick, the others were not....how stupid is that. The stupid thing is not to be careful of the 5th pick overall....it's to not take care of the guys who whatever pick they were, that they could be just as helpful...With a little time and maturity. Yes, it's a company. But it's a company not filled with administrative assistants, when if they are not doing the work, there are 1000 more waiting to do it....It's a company when there are a few exclusive people who could do the job.....how about making sure to adapt to everybody in order to get the best of them?

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thats what, 4 ugly trades in a decade? is it really that bad? apart from Roy, would Grabs have had the opportunity to 'learn' the role of habs top 6? was there time and space , like the leafs? Ribs was bad trade, thats what you get when you have to work quick and probably under pressure to fix a situation.
Was talking about the type of trades you do when you HAVE to do it...don't worry, there's are OTHERS bad trades...Why wouldn't Grabs learn it? Wouldn't letting Grabs become more experience would have meant not having to acquire that 7 M$ guy we love and adore? Yeah....and the Ribeiro comment is exactly what I mean....Unless the guy is actually trying to virtually kill you, having to work under that kind of pressure to fix a problem fast fast fast, is a sign of a bad management.

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Jean Beliveau's 500th goal

Today mark's the 40th anniversary of Jean Beliveau's 500th NHL goal.

Well worth a look for the historians, and has some follow up and recollections from both Beliveau and Gilles Gilbert on the historic night.

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/20...0th-goal-night

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Wild play the Blues for the first time of the season tonight and it will be a former Habs goalies duel tonight. (Theo vs Halak)


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Price could have not reported....to what? Was he sent down in Hamilton? They did everything for the kid so you'd think he would not realize it? They didn't let him spend time in Hamilton, they traded a vet goalie to make room for him, they did everything they can so that he'd have a good season last year until they finally realize he didn't have it and then traded the most popular guy in the city to make room for him.
Not to nitpick a comprehensive post, but they did send him to Hamilton, in his rookie season, he played 10 games there.

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One of greatest moments in team's history. Wish we had that kind of talent today!!


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So, Halak looks pretty good so far.. so does Jose.

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Halak chokes...

OT now.

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2 goal night for Saku in Calgary

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Good for Saku!


And now, it's shootout time. Theo vs Halak, who will be the better goalie there?

Yup, Halak choked once again during the shootouts.. Wild takes the huge win!


Blues might get their revenge tomorrow night.

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Thanks for the article yathehabsrule, that was a great read.

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Wild playing some really good hockey for over a month, making a nice push for the playoffs

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I needed Halak to save my fantasy team after Carey's stats were killed by the Bruins..and he failed me.

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Halak still is in net after those terrible mistakes he made yesterday night.

Also, no Theo tonight.

EDIT: Nice softie from Halak. Thank you! 1-0 Wild after 1.


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Bye Halak.


He took a delay of game penalty and then, Wild scores. 3-0. Ty Conklin in.

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He got me a GWG tonite

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@Whitesnake, I want you on my debating team when the time comes to re-enter the National League, MLB in about 10-15-20 Years. Maybe 5 years if lucky!

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