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01-09-2011, 01:27 PM
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Schenn for Beauchemin.

Someone had to do it!

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01-09-2011, 01:29 PM
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When I hear splash I'm hearing and hoping and thinking Nash....seems to be a lot of chatter about it. Nash would be one of the few players I would give up Schenn and Simmonds for. Yes we would have to add more. That is the kind of splash we need to make...ELITE....could Nash be had.
They finally drafted a big centre to play with Nash...I doubt they would even take offers for him right now

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I would seriously consider that.
How about Ryan Smyth (value went up since his hot streak), Teubert and 1st, 3rd for Vanek

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01-09-2011, 01:30 PM
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I would seriously consider that.
You don't think there are cheaper options than that? That seems like a pretty big price to pay, before you even absorb the 7M cap hit

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I find it hard to believe Beauchemin is involved here at all.

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01-09-2011, 01:31 PM
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Honestly not sure why anyone is interested in Beauchemin. Overpayed, not performing.

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01-09-2011, 01:33 PM
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Schenn for Beauchemin.

Someone had to do it!
YYYYYEEEESSSSSS!!!! for leafs

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01-09-2011, 01:41 PM
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So many question marks here. LA doesn't need a defenseman so take the FB thing out. As far as forwards the only issue with Vanek isnt his talent its his cap hit. LA still has Doughty, Williams, Poni, Simmonds, Handzus, Sturm and Richie all going RFA or UFA at years end. Thats basically their #1 D, the whole shutdown line, arguably their 2nd best winger then 2 replaceable parts.
After seeing what (if any) of those get shipped back along with what has to be resigned above, just how much room will there be before LA starts to have to make moves to clear space. Like someone else said though if it were Nash id give up just about anything and worry about the consequences later.

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01-09-2011, 01:45 PM
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While anyone is available for the right price - Hemsky is not going to get you Schenn.

Schenn is a 20 year old building block. Hemsky a fine player hasn't had a full season in 5 years. Those are concerns that would affect his value in a trade.

It would take Hemsky ++ for Schenn. Just like it would take a heck of a lot to get any of the young building blocks Edmonton has in place.
Yeah right, Only on the hfboards

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All this talk about Beacheim (sp?) do the Kings need defensive help?

Then could a deal around Vanek & Montador be worked out?

If the Sabres trade Vanek, I'd think it would be for a slight rebuild, or rebuild the core. I'd think the deal would have to include Schenn. Vanek & Montador would really upgrade the Kings for a playoff run.

As for vanek, we on the Sabres' board talk all the time of the Sabres not playing to Vanek's strengths, ie game plan for Vanek. Why is he only in front of the net on a PP, not shifted into the slot to unleash his team-best slap shot? He is not one of the leaders of toi either. Why haven't the Sabres gotten another big-bodied winger to play with him???? There are endless debates about how the Sabres have utlized him. Given the situation in LA, and their young guns, Vanek could become the "Kovalchuk" they were looking for....

And no, that is not a joke, Vanek is very talented, we just don't let him play his game.

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01-09-2011, 01:47 PM
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I dunno, Kings prospects are pretty highly rated.

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01-09-2011, 01:58 PM
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Yeah right, Only on the hfboards
How many games did Hemsky play last year? How many has he played this year?

Schenn is 7 years younger.

Not on HF boards but real life - you don't trade a young stud defenseman for a player that has injury concerns and has one year left on his contract.

By your logic Kaberle could get the Leafs Eberle or MPS.

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01-09-2011, 02:10 PM
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How many games did Hemsky play last year? How many has he played this year?

Schenn is 7 years younger.

Not on HF boards but real life - you don't trade a young stud defenseman for a player that has injury concerns and has one year left on his contract.

By your logic Kaberle could get the Leafs Eberle or MPS.
Kaberle is alot older than Hemsky and Schenn has done squat in the Nhl as of yet and Hemsky is close to a ppg player

Hemsky>>>>> Schenn value and if you think any different give you're head a shake

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01-09-2011, 02:14 PM
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How many games did Hemsky play last year? How many has he played this year?

Schenn is 7 years younger.

Not on HF boards but real life - you don't trade a young stud defenseman for a player that has injury concerns and has one year left on his contract.

By your logic Kaberle could get the Leafs Eberle or MPS.
We're talking about Brayden Schenn, a centre, not Luke Schenn.

Age isn't really a big concern because the older of the 2 is only 27 years old.

The Kings are trying to make a splash to get things going in the right direction and try and make a run for this year and the next 5+ years. Losing Schenn doesn't really hurt them all that much and it lets them keep their full roster intact without losing valuable guys like Simmonds, Martinez, etc.

Hemsky has really only had 1 serious injury since the lockout and if you take away a season ending injury he averaged 73 gp over the prior 4 years after the lockout...hardly "injury prone", but the misconception will never die on HF

Jason Williams is what I consider injury prone because in the last 4 years he has never even reached 50 gp in one season

Hemsky is nearly a ppg player on a bad team, so expecting a ppg+ on a good team like LA is not unreasonable at all

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01-09-2011, 02:17 PM
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No offense to Beauchemin, but the only way he really fits is when Mitchell is injured.

Scuderi - Doughty
Johnson - Mitchell
Greene - Martinez

We already have 3 strictly defensive defensemen with 3 offensive defensemen. Drewiskie is adequate for the bottom pairing when someone is hurt and if necessary, Muzzin played well in his stint earlier in the year. If Beauchemin comes in, who's out? Martinez? They play pretty different roles and Martinez brings a decent puck moving defenseman to the 3rd pairing that we need and plays on the 2nd PP unit. Lombardi really likes getting a OFD - DFD on every pairing, I just don't see where Beauchemin would fit, especially when we really don't need to add cap to the defense either. He's a good player, but I don't see him getting traded to the Kings.
No offense to you, but if the Kings truly are inquiring about him then your post has no meaning.

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Smyth back to Edm.

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How many games did Hemsky play last year? How many has he played this year?

Schenn is 7 years younger.

Not on HF boards but real life - you don't trade a young stud defenseman for a player that has injury concerns and has one year left on his contract.

By your logic Kaberle could get the Leafs Eberle or MPS.
Schenns a center lol

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Schenn, Tuebert ,1st for Vanek ?
a that price you can keep him and his -12 rating and 7m per!

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Schenn ,Moller,Teubert, Lewis for Vanek





I'm not really into it though. (trading Vanek)

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Hemsky has really only had 1 serious injury since the lockout and if you take away a season ending injury he averaged 73 gp over the prior 4 years after the lockout...hardly "injury prone", but the misconception will never die on HF

Jason Williams is what I consider injury prone because in the last 4 years he has never even reached 50 gp in one season
That's not a misconception.

Hemsky has regulaly been injured since 2006. I dont understand why you say otherwise.

Its funny you think Justin (not Jason) Williams is more injury prone. They are both from glass.

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01-09-2011, 02:32 PM
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Schenn ,Moller,Teubert, Lewis for Vanek
That's all ?

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I think the only way Schenn gets traded, would be for Richards if he signs an extension.

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You don't think there are cheaper options than that? That seems like a pretty big price to pay, before you even absorb the 7M cap hit
Cheaper? No. Semin will get close to that as an FA. That's about all that's out there in the way of 35-40 goal scorers.

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That's not a misconception.

Hemsky has regulaly been injured since 2006. I dont understand why you say otherwise.

Its funny you think Justin (not Jason) Williams is more injury prone. They are both from glass.
The point is they are minor injuries. Last year was the only major injury to Hemsky in nearly his whole career. Are you going to debate this?

Williams has went 3 straight seasons without getting to 50 gp (37, 44, 49)...Hemsky's totals during the 4 year span before last year were 81, 64, 74, and 72...are you honestly going to tell me these players have the same injury risk? Riiiiight

If you take out last year, which was a dirty hit that Hemsky has completely recovered from, Hemsky and Crosby have basically the exact same average games played per season...is Crosby injury prone?

The point is, the small, minor injuries that Hemsky has had are hardly the types of injuries that leave GMs losing their mind that he will probably not finish the season every year

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Cheaper? No. Semin will get close to that as an FA. That's about all that's out there in the way of 35-40 goal scorers.
I meant why trade 3 major pieces like Schenn + Hickey + 1st for 35 goals when you can probably pay half that or less for 25 goals? Doesn't seem like great value IMO.

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