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01-09-2011, 06:18 PM
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Penguins - Blue Jackets

I'm not sure that Columbus fans will like this but I think it's reasonably close in value.

To Pit: Voracek + Methot

To Col: Goligoski + Jeffrey + Rupp/Asham + pick

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01-09-2011, 06:21 PM
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I like the value, but Columbus fans will just hate the idea of trading Voracek.

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01-09-2011, 06:24 PM
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Good value. Jackets get a PMD, Jeffrey who I think gets minutes in the CBJ top 6 and a future pick, probably a 3rd at lowest?

Penguins obviously get someone to take Gogo's place and a winger to play with whichever center needs one most (I think Jake would be awesome with Geno).

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Methot is currently our top d-man. Also I really don't like the idea of a trade Goligoski. I would want a more established top pairing PMD for Voracek + . Columbus would expect the defenseman to immediately slot into our top pairing, top PP unit, and anchor our blueline. No indications that Goligoski is able to do that. Goligoski would likely just fall apart under that situation.

Also Columbus has no use for another bottom line forward in Rupp/Asham.

Counter-proposal: Filatov + Stralman for Goligoski.


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01-09-2011, 06:58 PM
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No way I trade Voracek for Goligoski, absolutely no way do I also throw in Methot on top of that. Rupp/Asham, really? What use do they have what-so-ever to Columbus? Voracek for Goligoski is just crappy value for Voracek plain and simple.

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01-09-2011, 07:00 PM
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Methot is currently our top d-man. Also I really don't like the idea of a trade Goligoski. I would want a more established top pairing PMD for Voracek + . Columbus would expect the defenseman to immediately slot into our top pairing, top PP unit, and anchor our blueline. No indications that Goligoski is able to do that. Goligoski would likely just fall apart under that situation.

Also Columbus has no use for another bottom line forward in Rupp/Asham.

Counter-proposal: Filatov + Stralman for Goligoski.
1. No way in this world Voracek brings back a top pairing, top PP, anchor type of guy.
2. I'd consider your proposed deal. Not bad.

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01-09-2011, 07:06 PM
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Methot is currently our top d-man. Also I really don't like the idea of a trade Goligoski. I would want a more established top pairing PMD for Voracek + . Columbus would expect the defenseman to immediately slot into our top pairing, top PP unit, and anchor our blueline. No indications that Goligoski is able to do that. Goligoski would likely just fall apart under that situation.

Also Columbus has no use for another bottom line forward in Rupp/Asham.

Counter-proposal: Filatov + Stralman for Goligoski.
Didn't realise Methot was that high up the depth chart. Wouldn't do your counter proposal, If we traded Gogo for wing help it would be for someone who can contribute now and we'd replace him with a solid #5 dman rather than a struggling offensive guy like Stralman.

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No way I trade Voracek for Goligoski, absolutely no way do I also throw in Methot on top of that. Rupp/Asham, really? What use do they have what-so-ever to Columbus? Voracek for Goligoski is just crappy value for Voracek plain and simple.
I think you're really underrating Goligoski.

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No way I trade Voracek for Goligoski, absolutely no way do I also throw in Methot on top of that. Rupp/Asham, really? What use do they have what-so-ever to Columbus? Voracek for Goligoski is just crappy value for Voracek plain and simple.
Rupp or Asham were just for salary purposes. And I was just looking for a replacement for Goligoski on the bottom pair. If you guys are that high on Methot then sub in any decent number 5. And I guess we'll just have to disagree on Goligoski. He is going to be a very good powerplay quarterback and is I think severely underrated in general on these boards.

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01-09-2011, 07:29 PM
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Hasn't Methot been pretty bad after he started so well?

Either way, replace Methot with any NHL-caliber d-man in the Jackets organization and I'd probably still do it.

I think Goligoski is very underrated by many CBJ fans and Voracek is very underrated by many Pens fans. Jeffrey is no throw in, either.

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01-09-2011, 07:33 PM
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Methot is currently our top d-man. Also I really don't like the idea of a trade Goligoski. I would want a more established top pairing PMD for Voracek + . Columbus would expect the defenseman to immediately slot into our top pairing, top PP unit, and anchor our blueline. No indications that Goligoski is able to do that. Goligoski would likely just fall apart under that situation.

Also Columbus has no use for another bottom line forward in Rupp/Asham.

Counter-proposal: Filatov + Stralman for Goligoski.
I think you're underestimating how good Goligoski is now and how much potential he still has. His contract is gold as well, with one more year signed at $1.83M and a RFA after that.

Methot could be replaced in this deal but Voracek for Goligoski is a solid base-line for a trade, in terms of value, even if it never happens (as HF proposals rarely do). Jeffrey is also an intriguing prospect who is clearly ready for the NHL.

The biggest reason I would not do this from Columbus' perspective (besides the value one may place on Voracek's upside) is that a number of top d-men could be on the market this summer. If management feels confident in signing the player(s) they want then this trade is unnecessary.

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01-09-2011, 07:33 PM
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No way I trade Voracek for Goligoski, absolutely no way do I also throw in Methot on top of that. Rupp/Asham, really? What use do they have what-so-ever to Columbus? Voracek for Goligoski is just crappy value for Voracek plain and simple.
Why don't you have a look at how many defensemen younger than Goligoski are outproducing him?

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01-09-2011, 07:43 PM
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Why don't you have a look at how many defensemen younger than Goligoski are outproducing him?
It's also his 2nd year in the NHL.

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Gogo is really underrated for whatever reason. Just overshadowed by other Pens stars I guess.

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Gogo is really underrated for whatever reason. Just overshadowed by other Pens stars I guess.
Or uplifted by them?
I think us Jacket fans are assuming he probably wouldn't be as productive on our team as he is on yours.
Voracek, on the other hand, would probably end up being a significant upgrade to what you've got.

Filatov-Stralman-CBJ 3rd

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Hedja + 2nd turned into a conditional 1st depending on performance.

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No thanks. Rather keep Jake, and Methot's been playing better than just about everyone else on the back end.

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Or uplifted by them?
I think us Jacket fans are assuming he probably wouldn't be as productive on our team as he is on yours.
Voracek, on the other hand, would probably end up being a significant upgrade to what you've got.

Filatov-Stralman-CBJ 3rd

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Hedja + 2nd turned into a conditional 1st depending on performance.
Voracek would be a significant upgrade for us but then we've got Dupuis and Cooke in our top 6. Why would Pens trade Goligoski for an UFA dman + 2nd?

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Or uplifted by them?
I think us Jacket fans are assuming he probably wouldn't be as productive on our team as he is on yours.
Voracek, on the other hand, would probably end up being a significant upgrade to what you've got.

Filatov-Stralman-CBJ 3rd

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Hedja + 2nd turned into a conditional 1st depending on performance.
I'm sure alot of people underrate Gogo because he is on our 3rd pairing and they think that's because of him, not because our D is that stacked. He is on pace for like 44 points and he is only 25 years old playing on the 3rd pairing. The month of October he always plays like a Norris Dman, so with some consistency he can turn into a really good dman.

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Or uplifted by them?
I think us Jacket fans are assuming he probably wouldn't be as productive on our team as he is on yours.
Voracek, on the other hand, would probably end up being a significant upgrade to what you've got.

Filatov-Stralman-CBJ 3rd

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Hedja + 2nd turned into a conditional 1st depending on performance.
I don't think Crosby or Malkin was helping Gogs when he was setting the AHL record for most playoff points by a defenseman.

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Growing impatient with Jake...I may do it. Depends on the pick.

And btw we don't need Asham or Rupp, too many 3rd and 4th liners here already.

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Voracek would be a significant upgrade for us but then we've got Dupuis and Cooke in our top 6. Why would Pens trade Goligoski for an UFA dman + 2nd?
Hence the conditional first.
Or something around Filatov.

Voracek's not going anywhere unless it's in a package around Letang or Malkin. (with quite a bit more coming from Columbus)

But honestly, I'm firmly in the camp that doesn't see Pittsburgh making any moves until the offseason, anyway.

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Growing impatient with Jake...I may do it. Depends on the pick.

And btw we don't need Asham or Rupp, too many 3rd and 4th liners here already.
You think you got 2 many?

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Growing impatient with Jake...I may do it. Depends on the pick.

And btw we don't need Asham or Rupp, too many 3rd and 4th liners here already.
Rupp can also be a powerplay specialist....if the people running your special teams are retarded.

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This proposal looks suspiciously like the one I posted in threads on both the Pens and Jackets pages yesterday...

Mine was a bit different though:

To Columbus: Goligoski, Dupuis, Jeffrey and 3rd/4th Rd Pick ( Cap - $3.233m)

To Pittsburgh: Voracek and Hejda ( Cap - $3.271m)

I figured that Hejda was more likely to be traded and would fit the Pens bottoming pairing fairly well. And I think Dupuis is more attractive to Columbus as he's a good penalty killer that plays hard every game.

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I really hope the Pens will find a way to acquire Jake. I think he'd be great with Jordan Staal and Malkin.

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This proposal looks suspiciously like the one I posted in threads on both the Pens and Jackets pages yesterday...

Mine was a bit different though:

To Columbus: Goligoski, Dupuis, Jeffrey and 3rd/4th Rd Pick ( Cap - $3.233m)

To Pittsburgh: Voracek and Hejda ( Cap - $3.271m)

I figured that Hejda was more likely to be traded and would fit the Pens bottoming pairing fairly well. And I think Dupuis is more attractive to Columbus as he's a good penalty killer that plays hard every game.
I do like this one more than the proposed one (no offense OP).

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