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06-24-2004, 11:10 PM
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Ovechkin

After seeing Lowe on sportsnet commenting that Ovechkin is exactly the type of player that Edmonton needs. I decided it's time to figure out, what the Oilers would have to give up, just to make a trade with Washington possible. To start off, I think the package would include

Eric Brewer
14th overall
25th overall

what else would Edmonton need to give up?


I think Brewer is definitely the asset that makes a key part of the package. Edmonton has an excess of young defensemen in Brewer, Wowitka, Lynch, Greene, Bergeron, Gilbert and Semenov. I think they can afford to give up at least one of them if not too. What I'm wondering is what else would it take, for Washington to even consider the deal?

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Without making comments about how such a trade would be good or bad for the team, I believe you would have to add at least the following to the package you already proposed:

Hemsky or Torres
1st round pick 2005 or Semenov
Smyth

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Probably add Smyth and Hemsky to the list, or at least York and Hemsky.

Think about the Lindros trade, and pretty much add until you think we are giving as much up as Philly did...

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Originally Posted by elphy101
After seeing Lowe on sportsnet commenting that Ovechkin is exactly the type of player that Edmonton needs. I decided it's time to figure out, what the Oilers would have to give up, just to make a trade with Washington possible. To start off, I think the package would include

Eric Brewer
14th overall
25th overall

what else would Edmonton need to give up?


I think Brewer is definitely the asset that makes a key part of the package. Edmonton has an excess of young defensemen in Brewer, Wowitka, Lynch, Greene, Bergeron, Gilbert and Semenov. I think they can afford to give up at least one of them if not too. What I'm wondering is what else would it take, for Washington to even consider the deal?
Add Torres, Hemsky...... anything else?

If the supposed offer from Florida was J-Bo, Weiss and a 7th overall, ask yourself who's offer is better (on top of, is Ovechkin worth enough to gut our team over)

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Probably add Smyth and Hemsky to the list, or at least York and Hemsky.

Think about the Lindros trade, and pretty much add until you think we are giving as much up as Philly did...
I agree with you guys:

Brewer + Smyth + Hemsky + two firsts would be my guess.

Not worth it IMO

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06-24-2004, 11:20 PM
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Hemsky, Brewer, Smith, Cross, Gilbert, 2 first round picks
for

Steve Eminger, Alexander Ovechkin

Talk about an overpay! But that definitely isn't as bad as the Lindros trade. Eminger is a future #1 defenseman whose cieling is just as high as Brewer's and Alexander Ovechkin would be sexy in Oiler silks


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Originally Posted by elphy101
After seeing Lowe on sportsnet commenting that Ovechkin is exactly the type of player that Edmonton needs. I decided it's time to figure out, what the Oilers would have to give up, just to make a trade with Washington possible. To start off, I think the package would include

Eric Brewer
14th overall
25th overall

what else would Edmonton need to give up?


I think Brewer is definitely the asset that makes a key part of the package. Edmonton has an excess of young defensemen in Brewer, Wowitka, Lynch, Greene, Bergeron, Gilbert and Semenov. I think they can afford to give up at least one of them if not too. What I'm wondering is what else would it take, for Washington to even consider the deal?
Washington already has a ton of picks in this draft I heard they are not interested in getting more, so only warm bodies need apply

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Hemsky, Brewer, Smith, Cross, Gilbert, 2 first round picks
for

Steve Eminger, Alexander Ovechkin

Talk about an overpay! But that definitely isn't as bad as the Lindros trade. Eminger is a future #1 defenseman whose cieling is just as high as Brewer's and Alexander Ovechkin would be sexy in Oiler silks
Something along those lines, it would have to be roster players as well, to free up salary for OA's transfer fee's, signing bonus, max rookie contract. I think this is what the Cap's would ask for:

Torres + Hemsky + Brewer + both 2004 1st round picks

Do we pay something rediculous like that? Is it worth it? I myself have only seen him play in the WJC's, and i was not so impressed to turn soemthing like 4 or 5 good assets into this one player.

All in all, i am curious, are oiler fans for or against a massive overpay for this supposed future "Superstar". Yay or Nay???

I say Nay.

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the most id be willing to part with for AO is...

E. Brewer
R. Torres
B. Isbister
M. Reasoner
14th Overall
25th Overall

The only reason is that those guys although extremely valuable could be replaced. Semenov could step into the top 2. Torres and Isbister could be replaced with Rita, Mikhov etc. Reasoner could be replaced with Horcoff/Stoll. That deal would probably guarentee us a shot at Crosby next year too, becuase our team would bite the big hairy bird.

Does that deal intrigue any Oil fans? any Caps fans? I think if Caps declined it, we could offer it to Pittsburg and get Malkin.

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remember - Ovechkin would be there to take one of their spots too! Ovechkin would slide into Torres' wing spot, York would be bumped from wing back to center, and Rita takes Izzy spot, sure:

Ovechkin-Nedved-Dvorak
Smyth-York-Hemsky
Moreau-Stoll-Pisani
Rita/Chimera-Horcoff-Laraque

I like that alot actually. Problem is that We don't have a replacement for Brewer then.

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remember - Ovechkin would be there to take one of their spots too! Ovechkin would slide into Torres' wing spot, York would be bumped from wing back to center, and Rita takes Izzy spot, sure:

Ovechkin-Nedved-Dvorak
Smyth-York-Hemsky
Moreau-Stoll-Pisani
Rita/Chimera-Horcoff-Laraque

I like that alot actually. Problem is that We don't have a replacement for Brewer then.
I agree for 5 simple reasons

(1) solve the Rita dillema and he whould get a legitimate chance to prove himself.

(2) use the money saved from this deal plus from Salo and Oates to sign Nedved and a free agent defenceman (Bob Boughner, Richard Matvichuk, Dan McGillis, Alexei Zhitnik) who could fill Brewers spot part time.

(3) Frees up space to give kids Woywitka and/or Lynch chance to come to big club and give Semenov more icetime, and also Reasoner barely played last yr so if he stays on the club he whould take away ice time for Stoll.

(4) Torres <<<< Ovechkin (by a long shot)
Reasoner = Stoll (Stoll younger more potential)
Isbister < Rita (Rita not given shot to prove himself yet and 4 yrs younger)
Brewer > Free Agent + Woywitka/Lynch (IF Brewer plays like he played at the end of last yr)

we have enough depth on this team to be able to replace these players the only way we totally lose this deal is if 3 of the following happen:

(1) Isbister finally becomes the Todd Bertuzzi type power forward
(2)Brewer fills out his potential fully filling in offensivly aswell
(3)Torres continues his pace from last yr and becomes a 30-40 goal scorer
(4)the 2 draft picks end up become either NHL Goaltender, 1st/2nd line player, top 4 defenceman

or if we cant get Ovechkin over cuz his price tag is 10 million just to get over here

so if we can make sure we can get Ovechkin over here i whould do this deal in a heartbeat


and just for fun if we were to get Ovechkin whould you guys be willing to flip him over to Calgary to bring Jarome Home

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06-25-2004, 04:57 PM
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For Ovechkin,

If the transfer fee is $10 million, then all deals are OFF. Forget it.
Otherwise, if the transfer fee was 2-3 million. I would be willing to trade:

Brewer
Torres or Hemsky
Isbister or Rita
1st round 2004 (16)

maybe the other 1st round 2004(25) - but I'd really rather not, in order to pick something else.

(Say Torres, Isbister, Brewer and 1st round goes)

Smyth - Nedved - Dvorak
Ovechkin - York - Hemsky/Rita
Moreau - Horcoff/Reasoner - Pisani/Hemsky
Rita/Chimera - Horcoff/Stoll - Laraques/Salmo

Smith - Semenov
Woywitka/Lynch - Staios
Ulanov - Bergeron

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I would prefer to give up Torres then Hemsky. Yeah Torres is a great player and fill a definate need but we are deep on LW and less so on RW. Plus AO could take Torres's spot

But we are getting ahead of ourselves. I see very little likelyhood that we can get AO in this draft

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