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05-21-2004, 05:15 PM
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Evaluation of 1999 draft (series)

As mentioned in the other draft thread, here's the look back at how the Thrashers did in the 1999 draft.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...readed&order=0

And as a comparison, here's how Montreal did. Not a single NHL game played in 11 picks, that's pretty bad.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...readed&order=0

More will be done shortly.


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Here's Carolina. Note the average of 33 NHL games/pick, compared to Atlanta's 46.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article.php?sid=6950

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And the Sharks.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article.php?sid=6953

I'll keep a ranking:
Atlanta 46 NHL games/pick
San Jose 38
Carolina 33
Montreal 0

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http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...readed&order=0

And as a comparison, here's how Montreal did. Not a single NHL game played in 11 picks, that's pretty bad.
With Montreal keep in mind the following.
Their first rounder was traded straight up for trevor linden
Within a year and a half linden was traded here is that deal

Linden + Zubrus + 2001 2nd rounder for Zednik, Bulis, and 2001 First rounder (alex perezhogin (mtl's #2 prospect).

IMO that worked better than whoever the would have got at 11 (sure Tanabe, Jackman and Boynton are on the board, but with Reggie Houle as GM they likely would've passed over those guys and wasted this pick as well.

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This should be an interesting series. I'm sure Atlanta's games played stat will be skewed by Patrik Stefan. As a minor semantic note, I would not call late picks who didn't pan out "busts". Busts are players that have high expectations that don't pan out. Needless to say, not much was ever expected from Ray DiLauro.

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Needless to say, not much was ever expected from Ray DiLauro.
To a fan's logic, yes, you are correct in your assessment. To NHL GM's and scouts, no, you are wrong. Why would they even waste a pick in your logic? It's called taking a chance, because there are alot of 6 round picks & undrafted players playing in the NHL

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I'm sure Atlanta's games played stat will be skewed by Patrik Stefan.
Sure, but many teams will be skewed by their first round pick. That's the nature of first rounders. I don't think it's unusual.

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As a minor semantic note, I would not call late picks who didn't pan out "busts". Busts are players that have high expectations that don't pan out.
Well then you can come up with your own more complicated categorization plan and fill it in based on the info provided. It's hard enough getting people to do this. It's like herding cats around here.

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Glen is one of the easiest to work with. Really.

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Anaheim is the new leader, with 80 games/pick, done without a first rounder. Great job, Pierre Gauthier. I actually have the urge to use the clapping smiley here.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...readed&order=0

Anaheim 80 NHL games/pick
Atlanta 46
San Jose 38
Carolina 33
Montreal 0


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Anaheim is the new leader, with 80 games/pick, done without a first rounder. Great job, Pierre Gauthier. I actually have the urge to use the clapping smiley here.
Pierre Gauthier and a clapping smiley should never be seen on the same post, unless it's in reference to his dismissal...
Although in games played the draft looks sucessful, the Leopold trade was a big failure of the organization, as he was exactly what the team needed.

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That may be true, but looking at drafting alone, they found a lot of talent where others didn't. That counts for something.

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Pierre Gauthier and a clapping smiley should never be seen on the same post, unless it's in reference to his dismissal...
Although in games played the draft looks sucessful, the Leopold trade was a big failure of the organization, as he was exactly what the team needed.
He's exactly what they needed, but they did ultimately parlay the return into Carney and Pahlsson. So bad trade, but nice recovery.

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To a fan's logic, yes, you are correct in your assessment. To NHL GM's and scouts, no, you are wrong. Why would they even waste a pick in your logic? It's called taking a chance, because there are alot of 6 round picks & undrafted players playing in the NHL
For every sixth-round and later pick (including those undrafted) that makes it in the NHL, there are scores that don't.

Why "waste" a pick? Because you have it - you might as well use it. Not using it would be a waste. If someone gives me a lottery ticket, I'm not going to toss it into the trash because my odds of winning anything are slim. I'm going to keep it and see what happens. I'm not going to go out and buy a lottery ticket but I'll take one if it's given to me.

By the same token, a GM isn't going to say "This pick probably won't pan out. Let's not even bother using it." It's not called 'taking a chance' because there's no chance to be taken. GMs risk nothing by using their draft picks.

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I'll add my 2 cents:

1. Tampa select 10 players in 1999. These players logged 275 NHL games. This is an average of 27.5 games per choice.

2. Nashville selected 15 players in 1999. These players logged 374 NHL games. This is an average of 24.9 games per choice.

3. Washington selected 9 players in 1999. These players logged 165 NHL games (mostly with other teams). This is an average of 18.3 games per choice.

4. Ottawa selected 10 players in 1999. These players logged 335 NHL games. This is an average of 33.5 games per choice.

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2 cents more:

Vancouver select 8 players in 1999. These players logged 633 NHL games (actually the top 2 choices logged all the games). This is an average of 79.1 games per choice.

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Here are the Blues picks:
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article.php?sid=6955

Anaheim 80 NHL games/pick
Atlanta 46
St. Louis 41
San Jose 38
Carolina 33
Montreal 0

I don't doubt your math, dj, but I'm going to add them to my list as the articles come in.

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Looks close to me:

Daniel Sedin-315 GP
Henrik Sedin-318 GP

Sedins total=633 GP

633/8=79.125

Unless Van-city made more than 8 picks, his math is dead on. It's only 0.875 of a game off of Anaheim's totals.

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Edmonton's 1999 draft. Scroll to the bottom for the Buchberger reference, it's worth it.
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article.php?sid=6958

Anaheim 80 NHL games/pick
Atlanta 46
St. Louis 41
Edmonton 40
San Jose 38
Carolina 33
Montreal 0

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Here are Florida
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...readed&order=0

and Buffalo
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...readed&order=0

Anaheim 80 NHL games/pick
Atlanta 46
St. Louis 41
Edmonton 40
San Jose 38
Florida 36
Carolina 33
Buffalo 5
Montreal 0[/QUOTE]

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Toronto only had 3 games played from that draft year....all belong to Hedin


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Ottawa:
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Anaheim 80 NHL games/pick
Atlanta 46
St. Louis 41
Edmonton 40
San Jose 38
Florida 36
Ottawa 33
Carolina 33
Buffalo 5
Montreal 0

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An unusually bad draft by New Jersey:
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article.php?sid=6971

Anaheim 80 NHL games/pick
Atlanta 46
St. Louis 41
Edmonton 40
San Jose 38
Florida 36
Ottawa 33
Carolina 33
New Jersey 8
Buffalo 5
Montreal 0

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I think the jury is still out on Jersey. I know every team has had the same amount of time, but there top two picks are a goalie and a defenseman. Ahonen is behind the best goaltender in the league and Commodore was bounced around in organizations and it usually takes longer for defenseman to develop. So I think its still an OK draft, just not as good as others.

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GMs risk nothing by using their draft picks.
It's a risk because you don't know if Player A will be better or worse than Player B.

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