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04-12-2013, 08:16 AM
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Kinda hoping norfolk dosent make it into the playoffs so we can at least bring vatanen up sooner and potentially lindholm but i doubt he'd play.

At the same time i want that team to squeak in so the players down there get some playoff experince.

Regardless Vatanen needs a recall as soon as it is can be.

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He actually does not need to be recalled. He was underwhelming the first time he was here but I love the passion all the his fans have for him. I would rather have him play in the AHL playoffs than in Anaheim right now.

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I can understand the fans in Anaheim wanting to see Lindholm and Vatanen sooner rather than later.

As a Norfolk fan I do want us to make the playoffs. But I think Duck fans would recognize that you want to foster a winning atmosphere at the lower level. They will bring that with them to Anaheim. Also I allows them to be put in a pressure packed situation rather than putting in lesser minutes in Anaheim.

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We may need to borrow one of them for a bit if Fowler is out.

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Kinda hoping norfolk dosent make it into the playoffs so we can at least bring vatanen up sooner and potentially lindholm but i doubt he'd play.

At the same time i want that team to squeak in so the players down there get some playoff experince.

Regardless Vatanen needs a recall as soon as it is can be.
Does there really need to be a thread about this?

If you're so eager to watch Vatanan and Lindholm play just watch Norfolk games.

Not wanting your prospects to make the playoffs so two dman can sit in the press box seems silly. You realize the Ducks are good right? Shouldn't you be excited about that?

I swear some people on HF would rather see the Ducks lose with prospects playing than win with the team we have now.

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I swear some people on HF would rather see the Ducks lose with prospects playing than win with the team we have now.
Lose with prospects and a top 6 of AHL 13th forwards

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Does there really need to be a thread about this?
Well there is discussion about it, and this sure doesn't belong in the Norfolk thread. I kind of like the fans who are also fans of the prospects. And I see how it would be great for them to see them develop to great players.

But Vatanen does have some obvious areas to improve, and it's better for the team to let him develop in the AHL where he can get a huge role and then you can let him in for the camp and the pre-season to see if he is ready and to let him develop a little more. It's better for Vatanen to have a couple of first all-star team selections in the AHL along with the same couple of years of defensive improvent than to play six minutes a game and try to learn as fast as he can in the NHL and avoid any mistakes.

Also I think that some of the comments really downplay Vatanen. Like the ones which compare him to be on the level of AHL 13th forwards like we saw here in this thread or say that he sucks on the defense. There are many d-men in the AHL that are worse defensively than Vatanen. We have to also remember that Vatanen mainly is an offensive defenseman and he gets more points than many first line forwards along with his solid (the latter half of the season) defensive contributions.

The discussion seems to have become very black and white after eenok visited the boards. Like there would be no middle ground regarding Vatanen, excluding some very sensible posters like Randyc and Exit Dose. And even Eddie Shack who I thought was on the dark side of the Vatanen bandwagon, I learned him to be actually quite objective on the matter.

Of Lindholm I think that bringing up Vatanen is not going to affect when Lindholm can be brought up. They are not fighting for the same spot. Vatanen is up if an offensive defenseman is down, Lindholm is up if a defensive D-man is down. Potentially they both could play their way up for the next season already if they play their way out of the camp. And for the future nothing would please me more than see them on the same line in the NHL. Well maybe I can think of something that would please me more but, yeah .

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We may need to borrow one of them for a bit if Fowler is out.
It sounds like Fowler won't be out too long, and with Saturday's game in LA, followed by Wednesday at home i think they would just go with 6 D until the roadtrip.

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Well there is discussion about it, and this sure doesn't belong in the Norfolk thread. I kind of like the fans who are also fans of the prospects. And I see how it would be great for them to see them develop to great players.

But Vatanen does have some obvious areas to improve, and it's better for the team to let him develop in the AHL where he can get a huge role and then you can let him in for the camp and the pre-season to see if he is ready and to let him develop a little more. It's better for Vatanen to have a couple of first all-star team selections in the AHL along with the same couple of years of defensive improvent than to play six minutes a game and try to learn as fast as he can in the NHL and avoid any mistakes.

Also I think that some of the comments really downplay Vatanen. Like the ones which compare him to be on the level of AHL 13th forwards like we saw here in this thread or say that he sucks on the defense. There are many d-men in the AHL that are worse defensively than Vatanen. We have to also remember that Vatanen mainly is an offensive defenseman and he gets more points than many first line forwards along with his solid (the latter half of the season) defensive contributions.

The discussion seems to have become very black and white after eenok visited the boards. Like there would be no middle ground regarding Vatanen, excluding some very sensible posters like Randyc and Exit Dose. And even Eddie Shack who I thought was on the dark side of the Vatanen bandwagon, I learned him to be actually quite objective on the matter.

Of Lindholm I think that bringing up Vatanen is not going to affect when Lindholm can be brought up. They are not fighting for the same spot. Vatanen is up if an offensive defenseman is down, Lindholm is up if a defensive D-man is down. Potentially they both could play their way up for the next season already if they play their way out of the camp. And for the future nothing would please me more than see them on the same line in the NHL. Well maybe I can think of something that would please me more but, yeah .
I don't disagree with anything you are saying. I am greatly involved in following all of our prospects as well. However, unlike many on this board, I care much more about the score at the end of the game than who is the one scoring.

I certainly want the Ducks prospects to perform and develop, however I also realize that many will not. I don't care who does the job, I just care that the job gets done. To me many here care so much about an Etem or Vatanan playing that they don't appreciate the Ducks actually winning games.

For the OP to say he wants our farm team to lose just so certain players are called up is embarrassing to me. Especially since he should realize that come playoffs neither Vatanan or Lindholm will play(unless injury occurs).

If the OP wants to discuss for the millionth time whether or not Vatanan should be in the NHL that is fine. I have no issue with that. However, he just seems to want to make a statement that these guys should be called up just because, and at the expense of them gaining playoff experience in the AHL. That is my issue with the thread in general.

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04-12-2013, 11:39 AM
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It sounds like Fowler won't be out too long, and with Saturday's game in LA, followed by Wednesday at home i think they would just go with 6 D until the roadtrip.
I think you always want a backup available for if someone gets injured in warmups. Running with 5D against the Kings is almost a guaranteed loss.

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i think AHL playoff experience >>>> sitting in the pressbox while the ducksa re in the PO's..

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I don't disagree with anything you are saying. I am greatly involved in following all of our prospects as well. However, unlike many on this board, I care much more about the score at the end of the game than who is the one scoring.

I certainly want the Ducks prospects to perform and develop, however I also realize that many will not. I don't care who does the job, I just care that the job gets done. To me many here care so much about an Etem or Vatanan playing that they don't appreciate the Ducks actually winning games.

For the OP to say he wants our farm team to lose just so certain players are called up is embarrassing to me. Especially since he should realize that come playoffs neither Vatanan or Lindholm will play(unless injury occurs).

If the OP wants to discuss for the millionth time whether or not Vatanan should be in the NHL that is fine. I have no issue with that. However, he just seems to want to make a statement that these guys should be called up just because, and at the expense of them gaining playoff experience in the AHL. That is my issue with the thread in general.
This is something I've noticed recently too. Seems like there's a bigger proportion now of fans who care more for the back of the jersey than the front.

But on the plus side, it probably is reflecting a growing fanbase with some fervor. That can't be a bad thing.

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Better for them to have keeroles in Norfolk for now imo.

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I agree with them being in Norfolk, experience the pressure of a late playoff push and the experience, rather then play one or two games here.

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I want Norfolk to make the playoffs. We can afford to play Lovejoy if it means our prospects getting playoff experience. That's invaluable and we're already in the playoffs...I mean...unless you think Dallas and Detroit will win out and the Ducks won't get one single point the remainder of the season. That and Detroit or Dallas losing tonight (Detroit plays Chicago) gets us in. We've got time to get healthy by then.

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This is something I've noticed recently too. Seems like there's a bigger proportion now of fans who care more for the back of the jersey than the front.

But on the plus side, it probably is reflecting a growing fanbase with some fervor. That can't be a bad thing.
Prospects and their development are always at the top of die-hard fans' interest lists. There's just something about new players that seems to get us really psyched which is why free agency, the trade deadline and the draft are always so popular. I mean look how contentious we get when this team is good and doesn't necessarily need a lot of new players. That and we all like to win the guessing game on how a player is going to turn out. It's part of the fun of the game I guess.

I think impatience has a lot to do it too. We hear so much promise about these kids and we just really want to see them play. I'm very anxious to see both of these players as full-time regulars with the team but not until we need them and they're ready. Their team right now is the Admirals and they need to be there to get them into the playoffs. After that, by all means come on over. Practicing with the big club during a playoff run will only benefit them.

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vatanen named to ahl first team ahl all star

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First PP unit: Vatanen-Fowler-Getzlaf-Perry-Bonino
Second PP unit: Beauch-Souray-Koivu-Selanne-Palmieri


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vatanen named to ahl first team ahl all star
I know I said this before BK, but I am sooo fricken surprised we got Vats at a 4th round pick level. This kid has exceeded expectations my goodness

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How has Lindholm been playing this year?

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How has Lindholm been playing this year?
Better than Vatanen. He should have been on ahl all star team instead of Vatanen.

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Better than Vatanen. He should have been on ahl all star team instead of Vatanen.
You probably want to elaborate on that notion. It makes a better substantiated response.

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He's just trolling. Eenok 2.0

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Yeah. I didn't watch enough of the second half of the AHL season to say this for sure, but Lindholm simply didn't play enough or score enough to take that spot from Vatanen.

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I can understand the fans in Anaheim wanting to see Lindholm and Vatanen sooner rather than later.

As a Norfolk fan I do want us to make the playoffs. But I think Duck fans would recognize that you want to foster a winning atmosphere at the lower level. They will bring that with them to Anaheim. Also I allows them to be put in a pressure packed situation rather than putting in lesser minutes in Anaheim.
Oh yeah, a winning culture is a huge plus. I look at that 05-06 Portland Pirates team that went deep in the playoffs, and how many solid NHL players came from that team(Penner, PA Parenteau, SOB, Konopka, Smid, Huskins, Glencross, Brent, Rome and obviously RPG), and can't help but think how a winning culture early can help in development. We'll be fine without them, let them win some games and develop.

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