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02-23-2011, 10:58 AM
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John Michael Liles...

I heard his name being thrown around as possibly being available and thought he would be a good upgrade for the Sharks.

Do you think Wallin + Mitchell + Petricki/1st would be enough?

It would work out salary cap wise.

If not, what do you think the Sharks would have to offer up?

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02-23-2011, 11:02 AM
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I think that would almost be overpaying as much as I would love to get rid of Wallin and Mitchell, I am not even sure what the Sharks would do with Liles in the lineup now that White is here.

I do think Liles would have been a good target though.

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First... and stuff... for Liles?

Is the first thrown in because they take Wallin?

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First... and stuff... for Liles?

Is the first thrown in because they take Wallin?
Yeah basically...plus wih Wallin and Mitchell the cap hit exchange is almost perfect...that was part of my thinking too, if it works cap wise and value wise. My concern was more value wise...would that be enough to get him or would we need to offer more. I am not sure Colorado would take that.

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Yeah basically...plus wih Wallin and Mitchell the cap hit exchange is almost perfect...that was part of my thinking too, if it works cap wise and value wise. My concern was more value wise...would that be enough to get him or would we need to offer more. I am not sure Colorado would take that.
the word here is "less". Petrecki and a 1st is overpayment. The rest is a cap dump.

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Adding an entirely new defense pairing at the deadline is a bad idea just on the basis of familiarity and turnover rate. Additionally, Liles is completely redundant with Boyle, White and Demers in the lineup. The Sharks need a two-way blueliner who can excel on both sides of the puck. Liles is not that by a longshot. He's also got a sizable cap hit for next season and is getting up there in years.

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Adding an entirely new defense pairing at the deadline is a bad idea just on the basis of familiarity and turnover rate. Additionally, Liles is completely redundant with Boyle, White and Demers in the lineup. The Sharks need a two-way blueliner who can excel on both sides of the puck. Liles is not that by a longshot. He's also got a sizable cap hit for next season and is getting up there in years.
Agreed. If anything, the Sharks would be looking to clear cap space.

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This ship sailed when Ian White was acquired. There's no reason (and no cap space) for the Sharks to acquire Liles too.

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I was thinking this was more of a depth move/improving the overall D. Even if he played on the 3rd pairing he would probably be a pretty good upgrade, no? Plus we could try to move him at the draft to cut some salary.

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Maybe in the offseason if we dont re-sign White?

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That much turnover in the real world would probably do more harm than good. If the move is for the future, then why trade for white now?

White and Liles makes no sense. Especially at the cost of Petrecki and a 1st.

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People are severely underrating Liles' value if you think Wallin, Mitchell, and a 1st even come close to getting him. And Petrecki plus a 1st is also below his value.

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I'd do it

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Keep Petrecki. KEEP HIM.

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How many 5'10" , 190# defensemen does San Jose need ?..
Boyle, White and Liles ,

You think Vlasic and Demers can clear the crease?

against Franzen, Holmstrom, Brown, Getzlaf, Perry, Iginla, Malhotra, Handzus, Smyth.
Check the size of the Kings forwards

You might as well put a picnic basket for these guys next to the crease --since they will be there all game

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As much as I would love having Liles on the Sharks, its not going to happen unless Wallin, Vlasic, or both are traded.

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If Liles comes to the Sharks, I'd bet that Demers or Braun would be going back. At this point, I'd rather let Demers and Braun show their stuff in teal.

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I would have love Liles here before White got here. its an either/or situation. we'd be too small/soft on defense with both here.

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I had a dream that Carolina traded Joslin for Liles and this board went ape ****. True story.

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People are severely underrating Liles' value if you think Wallin, Mitchell, and a 1st even come close to getting him. And Petrecki plus a 1st is also below his value.
Liles is alot better than people are giving him credit for. He's a #1.

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Liles is alot better than people are giving him credit for. He's a #1.
Well that's overrating him.

Vlasic, b prospect, 1st would do it. And I would personally do it.

Boyle-Murray
Liles-Demers
White-Braun

OK, no we have TOO many puck movers.

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As bad as Colorado has been this season, they are not going to move Liles unless they can acquire someone established in return. Beyond Liles, a relatively unproven Erik Johnson, and Kyle Quincey, who has missed most of the season with injuries and has not regained his 2009-10 form, their defense is a giant question mark. Ryan Wilson has already been asked to play 3 more minutes/game than he did last year, and with Kyle Cumiskey out indefinitely, it's hard to imagine Colorado being willing to put the onus of defensive duties on the 23-year old Wilson and 22-year old Erik Johnson.

Besides, while Colorado is still rebuilding, they are not far away from being a legitimate playoff contender. They have gone 25-27-7 despite serious/season-ending injuries to Kyle Quincey, T.J. Galiardi, Kyle Cumiskey, Tomas Fleischmann, and Peter Mueller, the last of whom still has not played since Rob Blake smashed him into the boards late last season (and conveniently before our playoff series). That accounts for their top defenseman and their two best wingers, among others. Not to mention, they have gotten nothing in terms of goalltending; Craig Anderson was a sieve and has now taken his career backup talents to Ottawa, and Peter Budaj, well, he's Peter Budaj. A healthy Avalanche team with a decent goalie is a playoff team, and I think Colorado management sees that and keeps next year in mind when making deals. Liles is not only a key player, he is also one of the few veterans on a ridiculously young team, having been around in the Forsberg/Sakic era. So I doubt Collorado moves him unless they are overwhelmed.

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If you are rebuilding and need a veteran, you don't need one that gets paid 4 million dollars. I totally see them trading him. If we can't re-sign White, I want Liles but without trading Vlasic at that point.

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If you are rebuilding and need a veteran, you don't need one that gets paid 4 million dollars. I totally see them trading him. If we can't re-sign White, I want Liles but without trading Vlasic at that point.
The most pressing need for the Avalanche coming into this season was young, high-end talent. They had a lot of very good young players, but besides Paul Stastny, none of them had elite potential. That includes Matt Duchene. Colorado has done wonders with the roster since October, adding a franchise defenseman in Erik Johnson and a young, top-six forward in Tomas Fleischmann. The development of young defensemen like Johnson, Cumiskey (whose skating reminds me of Paul Coffey) and Wilson should improve the defense significantly next year, especially since the useless Adam Foote will finally retire. But replacing Liles' 22 minutes and veteran presence is going to be difficult, which is why they will ask for a fortune in return. 4M through 2012 is hardly a fortune for a team that doesn't have to re-sign Mueller, Duchene, and Johnson until the year after Liles' contract expires.

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The most pressing need for the Avalanche coming into this season was young, high-end talent. They had a lot of very good young players, but besides Paul Stastny, none of them had elite potential. That includes Matt Duchene. Colorado has done wonders with the roster since October, adding a franchise defenseman in Erik Johnson and a young, top-six forward in Tomas Fleischmann. The development of young defensemen like Johnson, Cumiskey (whose skating reminds me of Paul Coffey) and Wilson should improve the defense significantly next year, especially since the useless Adam Foote will finally retire. But replacing Liles' 22 minutes and veteran presence is going to be difficult, which is why they will ask for a fortune in return. 4M through 2012 is hardly a fortune for a team that doesn't have to re-sign Mueller, Duchene, and Johnson until the year after Liles' contract expires.
Duchene doesn't have elite potential? He's a far better player than Stastny is with much higher upside.

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