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01-12-2011, 12:49 PM
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Kyle Quincey - Does anyone miss him?

I was talking with riznat & a former member about this a few weeks back. I'm not creating this thread to suggest that the Kings should try and get him back considering the insane depth we have at the D position . . . but the thing I loved about Quincey was his understanding that sometimes, a low, slow wrist shot to the net is more effective then loading up a bomb . . .

I feel like a lot of D-men under-estimate the "Just put it on net" mentality. The only players I see doing this currently are Martinez (sometimes) & Scuderi.

Discuss, what are your thoughts?

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I was talking with riznat & a former member about this a few weeks back. I'm not creating this thread to suggest that the Kings should try and get him back considering the insane depth we have at the D position . . . but the thing I loved about Quincey was his understanding that sometimes, a low, slow wrist shot to the net is more effective then loading up a bomb . . .

I feel like a lot of D-men under-estimate the "Just put it on net" mentality. The only players I see doing this currently are Martinez (sometimes) & Scuderi.

Discuss, what are your thoughts?
Great point, Quincey's shot had eyes.

JJ , DD, and especially Stoll have a shoot it as hard as you can mentality.

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Quincey was very good at getting the shot through traffic and I agree that is something the Kings could use. However Colorado fans seem pretty fed up with him so maybe his overall game has suffered since his time on the Kings.

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Great point, Quincey's shot had eyes.

JJ , DD, and especially Stoll have a shoot it as hard as you can mentality.
Martinez is our new Quincey, his shot has a high on net percentage..


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He had an uncanny ability to get shots through. I do miss that.

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Colorado fans are fed up with Quincey? Maybe because he's got major back problems.

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... Quincey's 08-09 just looks like a fluke. He averaged about 29 points per season in the AHL, and he did get 29 last season.

Quincey got 150 shots on goal with the Kings in 72 games, a little over two shots on goal per game. He missed the net 84 times.

Quincey, 08-09 -- 72 games, 150 shots on goal (2.08 per game), 84 missed shots (1.16 per game)

Johnson, 10-11 -- 42 games, 81 shots on goal (1.93 per game), 48 missed shots (1.14 per game)

Doughty, 10-11 -- 36 games, 65 shots on goal (1.80 per game), 34 missed shots (0.94 per game)

And just as an FYI, Martinez has only 16 shots on goal in 22 games. Martinez has missed the net more times (17) than he's hit it.

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As I have stated in other threads the BLAST IT AS HARD AS YOU CAN CONCEPT for defenseman is just STUPID. Lidstrom is the best in the league at getting his shot through and more often than not its a wrister thats not nearly as hard or fast as a slap shot but its far more accurate -- placement being everything with shots from the point.

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... Quincey's 08-09 just looks like a fluke. He averaged about 29 points per season in the AHL, and he did get 29 last season.

Quincey got 150 shots on goal with the Kings in 72 games, a little over two shots on goal per game. He missed the net 84 times.

Quincey, 08-09 -- 72 games, 150 shots on goal (2.08 per game), 84 missed shots (1.16 per game)

Johnson, 10-11 -- 42 games, 81 shots on goal (1.93 per game), 48 missed shots (1.14 per game)

Doughty, 10-11 -- 36 games, 65 shots on goal (1.80 per game), 34 missed shots (0.94 per game)

And just as an FYI, Martinez has only 16 shots on goal in 22 games. Martinez has missed the net more times (17) than he's hit it.
Thanks for doing the leg-work on the numbers. While the numbers do paint a pretty clear picture, I think something can be said for the offensive numbers in 08-09. Kopitar only had 66 points that year to lead the team in scoring. Handzus was just starting to get his legs under him and we didn't have Smyth.

What I'm saying is, would it be possible that Quincey could thrive under this team again? With guys like Zus & Smyth who are very good around the net (Besides Smyth's lame wrap-arounds) and with an overall better team . . he's the perfect kind of D-men to have (with the current system we have in place).

It would actually be nice to get some Avs' fans in here to discuss this further . . . I didn't pay attention to him last season so I'm curious to see what happened . . . He's out for the rest of the season yes?


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Jack Johnson has gotten a lot better at just throwing the puck on net this season. I noticed that right away in the preseason. He was wristing the puck a lot more and that has carried over into the season but it has disappeared at times. Terry Murray says "shot mentality" more than any other phrase and the players still don't seem to get it. THrow the ****ing puck toward the net. Get it htere. How many blocked shots were there in the last 5 mins of the game against the Leafs? That is just unacceptable especially with a 6 on 4 PP.

As far as Quincey goes, I think he must be struggling with injuries. As somebody stated already, I think he had some back issues before and while he was with the Kings. I don't think we need to add Quincey. Doughty and Johnson are capable of doing this if they would just get it through their heads that you don't have to have the perfect play or shot. That is something Doughty has been guilty of this season. For example, think about the handful of times he has rushed the puck up the ice this season and I think just about all of them have lead to a turnover because he was trying to make some ridiculous play instead of shooting.

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Quincey has had his up and downs. There was a time after he got traded to us that many felt he had the potential to be a number one.

When his game went south late last year he turned into a turnover machine. That being said, while a lot of people were unhappy with his play, he still got good money. 3 mil +, and I think most of us were happy with that deal.

This year, he came out struggling a little bit (although he was better than last year), but really started to gain momentum as the season went along. I think a lot of people were optimistic about the way he was playing before he got hurt.

i think he has the skills to be number two or three, depending on how he comes along.

Next year I expect him to have a solid year. I think right now a softer-shooting Michael Rozival is a good comparison.

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... Quincey's 08-09 just looks like a fluke. He averaged about 29 points per season in the AHL, and he did get 29 last season.

Quincey got 150 shots on goal with the Kings in 72 games, a little over two shots on goal per game. He missed the net 84 times.

Quincey, 08-09 -- 72 games, 150 shots on goal (2.08 per game), 84 missed shots (1.16 per game)

Johnson, 10-11 -- 42 games, 81 shots on goal (1.93 per game), 48 missed shots (1.14 per game)

Doughty, 10-11 -- 36 games, 65 shots on goal (1.80 per game), 34 missed shots (0.94 per game)

And just as an FYI, Martinez has only 16 shots on goal in 22 games. Martinez has missed the net more times (17) than he's hit it.
I do not understand your last comment on 16 shots he missed 17 times, can you clarify this. thx

Martinez shooting percentage 12.5%, the next closest is defensemen is plays regularly is Jack Johnson at 4.9%. When he shoots he scores, he just needs to take more shots

Hopefully Murray starts to use him more on the power play..

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I do not understand your last comment on 16 shots he missed 17 times, can you clarify this. thx

Martinez shooting percentage 12.5%, the next closest is defensemen is plays regularly is Jack Johnson at 4.9%. When he shoots he scores, he just needs to take more shots

Hopefully Murray starts to use him more on the power play..
... To clarify, Martinez has 17 missed shots, which are shots that went over the net or wide. He has 16 shots on goal, shots that required a save. This isn't a good percentage, to have more shots miss the net entirely than shots actually ON net.

That being said, I wouldn't mind keeping Martinez on the PP and allowing him to improve with more experience.

If I were the coach, I would dress seven defensemen: Doughty, Johnson, Greene, Mitchell, Martinez, Scuderi, and Harrold as an extra, a specialist who plays on the PP and rotates in for a few shifts at even strength. I'm not too worried about dressing only 11 forwards.

My number one power play would be Smyth-Stoll-Kopitar-Doughty-Johnson, and my second would be Brown-Handzus-Williams-Martinez-Harrold.

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I do not understand your last comment on 16 shots he missed 17 times, can you clarify this. thx
Not every shot attempt counts as a SOG ... a SOG is only credited IF the goaltender had to stop the puck from going in the net, so the 17 shot attempts that 'missed' are not considered a SOG. Think of it as hitting the post ... yeah it's CLOSE, but since the goalie didn't technically have to make a stop it doesn't count as a SOG.

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Quincey here means Smyth still in Colorado.

I'm drooling about having Cammy and Quincey

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Quincey here means Smyth still in Colorado.

I'm drooling about having Cammy and Quincey
Maybe the Avs can acquire Cammy and get smaller and less physical.

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I'm wary of the "shot" stats.

For shots on goal... they don't count deflected shots to the original shooter. If, for example, Martinez takes a shot that is going on net, then Smyth deflects it wide, no SOG for Martinez. Even if Smyth deflects it on goal, no SOG for Martinez.

For shots missed, I have to imagine they count shots that intentionally go wide, which is something MANY defensemen are doing these days to get rebounds off the back boards. So say Jack tries that three times in a game. He gets 3 shots missed which is a negative stat, but the purpose was to miss, and often results in a positive as those shots off the end boards often get right in front and cause a scrum. This is no knock on the stat keepers, but it is a knock on statistics in general. Just another reason why they bother me.

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No, because he sucks now

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Very in-depth post, thanks for contributing

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Very in-depth post, thanks for contributing
Take a peak at the Avs board. I'd trust that they watch more games than you do

Or... let's base how a player is on his rookie campaign 2 years ago!

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Take a peak at the Avs board. I'd trust that they watch more games than you do

Or... let's base how a player is on his rookie campaign 2 years ago!
I had no idea that Colorado fans watch more of their hometeam than I do

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Quincey here means Smyth still in Colorado.

I'm drooling about having Cammy and Quincey
Smyth has better numbers than Cammy and is better all around.

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Smyth>Cammy
In what way?

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In what way?
Better numbers this year, better without the puck and in front of the net. He's been great for the kids and is underappreciated by Kings fans.

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Smyth has better numbers than Cammy and is better all around.
... He does? He is?

Smyth in the regular season: 742 points in 1019 games, 0.72 per game
Cammalleri in the regular season: 365 points in 470 games, 0.77 per game

Smyth in the playoffs: 54 points in 87 games, 0.62 per game
Cammalleri in the playoffs: 22 points in 25 games, 0.88 per game

Smyth has played one more game than Cammalleri this season and has one more point. Their other stats (hits, blocked shots, giveaways, takeaways) are almost identical.

Just for the record, I don't buy that he's "great for the kids" or that he "taught Kopitar how to play" or whatever other B.S. that Lombardi apologists try to dredge up. He is what he is, and does what he does. He's not multi-faceted or multi-dimensional. He plays offense. He's not a fast skater, but his intelligence makes up for it more often than not. He has savvy. He's there to create chances - that's about it. And he does that pretty well, but really he doesn't do it any better than Cammalleri does.

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