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06-25-2004, 10:00 AM
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Oilers pushing hard for Ovechkin?

Sorry no link yet, but it is in the Edmonton Sun this morning.

Robin Brownlee says two different NHL sources have the Oilers offering a package of players for the NHL pick.

Rumours suggest, Brewer, Hemsky, and the 14th and 25th picks. Lowe denies that he has offered Washington anything.

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It flies in the face of what Guy has told us about Russians, and the transfer fee alone is enough to scare away a team like Edmonton. However, if they think they can get someone from the ownership group (Spawn Man?) to fork over the whatever million it would take, AND get him under contract with the choir boy the kid has as an agent then I say shoot the moon.

But you better be sure you can get him signed and over here, because if they trade that package and don't get him it will be a day that will live in infamy.

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So if we are to believe another rumor, Florida has put on the table Jay Bouwmeester, Stephen Weiss & 7th overall.

We *may* be offering Eric Brewer, Ales Hemsky, 14th overall & 25th overall.

So this breaks down as:
Eric Brewer << Jay Bouwmeester
Ales Hemsky >> Stephen Weiss
14th & 25th > or = or < 7th


Interesting....

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On Spectors this morning, he is quoting Garrioch (I know ) as saying Lowe was offering Brewer, Hemsky and the 16th pick (assume he meant the 14th).

There was no mention of the 25th.

One thing to consider, even if the transfer payment for Ovechkin was too much for the Oilers to swallow, securing his rights would still be a huge accomplishment for Lowe.

Think back to when the Nordiques drafted Lindros knowing full well he would never play for them. They parlayed his rights for a bundle a year later. When looking at the Aves VS the Flyers you may even argue that the Avalanche were better off trading Lindros than they would have been if they had signed and kept him.

As an aside from Spectors as well, he says the Blues are talking with the Oil although there are no specifics.

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As an aside from Spectors as well, he says the Blues are talking with the Oil although there are no specifics.
I saw that part too-I suppose the Blues might be interested in some wingers, maybe Rita and/or Isbister? But what would they offer in return that would interest the Oilers?

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Did the Oilers make a deal last year???

I can't remember offhand. Seems like they're always in the mix and with a surplus of wingers and the contracts of Brewer and Smith then I'd expect something to happen again tomorrow. I don't think it will be anything major but yes I'm expecting something

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It flies in the face of what Guy has told us about Russians...

Hey, I did say that Ovechkin and Malkin were exceptions to that rule simply because they are THAT good.

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On Spectors this morning, he is quoting Garrioch (I know ) as saying Lowe was offering Brewer, Hemsky and the 16th pick (assume he meant the 14th).
hehehe... with the amount of misinformation Garrioch gives out, it makes you think that his inside sources give him this misinformation so they can sit back and laugh at him for putting it out.

He and Brooks fall hand in hand.

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What if this actually happened though?

I think the real question would be what if the deal in place actually occurred? Would we berate Lowe for giving up too much or would we be congratulating him for actually getting Ovechkin and trading up for once?
Either way I'm REALLY looking foward to tomorrow!

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Brewer and Hemsky along with 14 and 25 isn't that bad...

I'm worried about things like Wyowitka, Brewer, Hemsky, Torres, 14th, 25th, 1st pick in 2005...

but I mean if the Oilers can trade for #1, and parlay it to Florida for Bouwmeester, Weiss, #7 and maybe a pick in 2005. Or if they can get Ovechin over, it's not a bad deal.

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I don't think there is another team that has as many great prospects and young current nhlers as the oilers. I think that this package is too much to offer but have not yet seen Ovenchicken play. If he is the best ever Russian then Lowe should do the deal.

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I don't know.
I think that KLo likes the, .................................................. ......................"HEY! LOOK OVER HERE!!!",
that's being provided by these rumours.
It helps him take care of business, without all the scrutinizing,
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over here.

Then again...
"Expect the unexpected."

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I'm with Matts on this...I suspect something will happen, but not to the magnitude of Ovechkin putting on Oilers silks (imagine how cool that would be?).

Brewer/Hemsky/2 first rounders is a hefty bet though, I wonder if Lowe's really offered that package. Have they soured on Hemsky that fast? Or is Ovechkin really worth the hype?

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icedragon, I think that is a little unfair. Kevin Lowe does not run his company in a way to please a few hundred of us on internet boards. Most casual fans do not know a lot about ovechkin and are not really excited by Brownlee's article. Ask 10 fans if they beleived that Lowe tried to trade up to draft Gaborik and Pitkanen and they will say " really?"

To Lowe's credit, he is always trying. One of the issues I had with Sather's last few years was that he seemd like a defeated man. He had a built in excuse ("give me the Ranger's salary and I would win the cup ever year") and was never going to lead us to a cup. I work in sales and I know that a lot of times, your successes will come from unlikely sources. If he tries often enough, a GM will bite and he will hit a home run.

Even if he doesn't pull off this deal, I hope he is trying. That is better than heading down there to play a few rounds of golf and pick a few guys in the draft.

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icedragon, I think that is a little unfair. Kevin Lowe does not run his company in a way to please a few hundred of us on internet boards. Most casual fans do not know a lot about ovechkin and are not really excited by Brownlee's article. Ask 10 fans if they beleived that Lowe tried to trade up to draft Gaborik and Pitkanen and they will say " really?"

To Lowe's credit, he is always trying. One of the issues I had with Sather's last few years was that he seemd like a defeated man. He had a built in excuse ("give me the Ranger's salary and I would win the cup ever year") and was never going to lead us to a cup. I work in sales and I know that a lot of times, your successes will come from unlikely sources. If he tries often enough, a GM will bite and he will hit a home run.

Even if he doesn't pull off this deal, I hope he is trying. That is better than heading down there to play a few rounds of golf and pick a few guys in the draft.
I got a different read on IceDragoon's comment and happened to agree with it. I took it as meaning Lowe knows he has 15/16 NHL ready forwards and arguably 8 NHL ready D men. With the rumours of an ovechkin offer flying around, it makes other organizations look towards the Oilers and think about what they would give up for players on our roster.

For instance, if you're Mike Barnett and you hear Lowe is dangling blue chippers like Brewer and Hemsky, don't you take a second, longer look at the Oilers roster?

I'm not saying Lowe is planting info in the media, just that it may work to his advantage to have teams sniffing around a little more vigourously in the 36 hours leading up to the draft.

My 2 cents...

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I think the real question would be what if the deal in place actually occurred? Would we berate Lowe for giving up too much or would we be congratulating him for actually getting Ovechkin and trading up for once?
LOL, both, and in both orders. It seems like all Lowe trades start out either good or bad and then move to the other extreme as time passes.

I guess from that perspective, I'm hoping whatever he does next looks horrible to most observers

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thats very insightfull. The only two deals that I can think of where we were all in complete agreement with were dopita and oates. 99% of us (not me) hated the devo deal and thought we could have gotten more for Poti.

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In the end I would expect it will be very difficult to pry Ovechkin away from Washington but Pittsburgh poses a much more interesting target imo.

They could use quantity more than any other team right now and would may look at less quality in the process. They can use young ready NHLer's and need to look at guys that atleast short term fit their budget.

Should Lowe be concentrating on the number 2 spot (if any) moreso than the #1? Would a similar package of Brewer, Hemsky and the #14th be an overpayment? Or would quantity do the job in this case (a combination of 3 guys involving Semenov, Isbister, Chimera, Pisani, Bishai, Rita and the 14th or 25th)?

Seems that many guys out there are saying Malkin isn't that far off Ovechkins potential.

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LOL, both, and in both orders. It seems like all Lowe trades start out either good or bad and then move to the other extreme as time passes.
What deal has Lowe made that everybody was initially happy about and then it turned out bad? Dopita is the only trade I can recall at all. Lowe, in the last couple years has had a great trading record. He's fleeced the Rangers three times (York/Poti, Carter/Dvo, Nedved/nothing), and he worked a big enough miracle to save that Weight trade with the Hecht that landed us our top prospect and a guy who's a future 2-way stud that everybody wants, and is probably a captain.

Anyways, back on topic..... I know AO is amazing and everything - and I loved what I saw at the WJC (although I almost thought Malkin looked as good) but to throw it out there, do yu guys feel Ovechkin>Bouwmeester?

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thats very insightfull. The only two deals that I can think of where we were all in complete agreement with were dopita and oates. 99% of us (not me) hated the devo deal and thought we could have gotten more for Poti.
Not at all. Dopita was bad but Oates taught soooo much to that team. His experience was invaluable. How many times did you see him moving players around on the ice before draws? Stolls faceoff % went from low 40's at the start of the year to (I think) mid 50s by the end earning my own name for him "The Faceoff Jedi".

Oates was a great player coach. True we could have used a bit more offense but it was hardly a horrible move.

In fact if we could get Oates back as an assistant coach I would be all over that. He had a great relationship with the kids out there.

Hell even vets like Cross benefited from him. His positioning on ice and before faceoff's improved dramatically over the year. And that was all Oates.

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icedragon, I think that is a little unfair. Kevin Lowe does not run his company in a way to please a few hundred of us on internet boards. Most casual fans do not know a lot about ovechkin and are not really excited by Brownlee's article. Ask 10 fans if they beleived that Lowe tried to trade up to draft Gaborik and Pitkanen and they will say " really?"

To Lowe's credit, he is always trying. One of the issues I had with Sather's last few years was that he seemd like a defeated man. He had a built in excuse ("give me the Ranger's salary and I would win the cup ever year") and was never going to lead us to a cup. I work in sales and I know that a lot of times, your successes will come from unlikely sources. If he tries often enough, a GM will bite and he will hit a home run.

Even if he doesn't pull off this deal, I hope he is trying. That is better than heading down there to play a few rounds of golf and pick a few guys in the draft.
Sorry Thor,
Not what I was trying to imply at all.
I think KLo would welcome the focus and use it to his advantage, as he should.
Maybe he actually is going for AO, ("Expect the unexpected")
and maybe something sweet lands in his lap because he is in the "vicinity". (more likely, imo)

Thanx for translating, serum114.
That's pretty much the, "since I have your attention", I was trying to get at.

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Most peeps liked (as I recall):

- Hamrlik trade (good return)
- Dopita trade (not a bad gamble to take)
- Nedved trade (thanks Glen)
- Salo trade (yay!)

That is all that I recall as being deals everyone liked.

To stay on thread topic though - Lowe won't trade for Ovechkin even though that deal isn't too bad. The transfer fees are the killer.


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That story is not a whole lot more than idle speculation and wishful thinking. I'm sure Lowe's called the caps, as a good GM must. And there's no doubt if a media member asks him "hey, you interested in ovechkin if he's available" Lowe's not gonna say "no".

But I highly doubt mcphee is listening to offers unless they completely blow him away. Furthermore I doubt Lowe gives up his #1 d-man, forfeits any chance at the playoffs next year, and sells the farm to get one player, no matter how good he is. Lowe has built a stable of excellent prospects to go forward in 2004. Gutting the hardwork of the last 4 years on one player flies in the face of this team's mentality. This deal probably won't get done. Still, it's draft time, and boy do we love to speculate.


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What deal has Lowe made that everybody was initially happy about and then it turned out bad? Dopita is the only trade I can recall at all. Lowe, in the last couple years has had a great trading record. He's fleeced the Rangers three times (York/Poti, Carter/Dvo, Nedved/nothing), and he worked a big enough miracle to save that Weight trade with the Hecht that landed us our top prospect and a guy who's a future 2-way stud that everybody wants, and is probably a captain.

Anyways, back on topic..... I know AO is amazing and everything - and I loved what I saw at the WJC (although I almost thought Malkin looked as good) but to throw it out there, do yu guys feel Ovechkin>Bouwmeester?
I would say the Brewer, not so much in the sense that it turned out bad but in that it's not been as good as initially thought. Brewer's good, but his development seems to be in neutral the last couple of years, and Josh Green was destroyed by shoulder injuries. Not bad, but not the big steal we initially labeled it as.

And to be honest, when I look at those 3 Rangers trades I have to wonder if it wasn't so much fleecing but more to do with Lowe's former boss cutting him a break when nobody else would. Totally unfair assessment I know, regardless I still can't shake that feeling.

Ovechkin > JBo? Impossible to say, since AO hasn't played a single NHL game yet.

I like JBo though...an even better skater than Brewer, but not as physical yet. He seems to me a bigger version of Paul Coffey, but without the offensive potential.

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