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01-14-2011, 12:16 PM
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The kids are being filtered back to Charlotte and out of his hair.
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Has this happened, or are you just assuming?

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01-14-2011, 12:17 PM
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Has this happened, or are you just assuming?
Dalpe down today... So you know who's next

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01-14-2011, 12:21 PM
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Dalpe down today... So you know who's next
Just saw it in the other thread. I understand it, because he's the one that can go down without having to clear waivers, and when Jokinen came back he was only getting 4th line minutes anyway.

I'd be shocked if they aren't thinking of shedding Carter and one of Dwyer or LaRose at the deadline. Dalpe has shown more than enough in his latest stint to warrant getting rid of a couple of guys.

As for Boychuk, I don't think he's going anywhere.

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01-14-2011, 12:33 PM
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Truthfully and honestly, I really wish we'd just demote one of LaRose or Dwyer to the 4th line and accomodate these kids of deserving icetime. I think Hurricane Anton hit the nail on the head when he said there is a good chance we'd have 4 less points without these kids. They've added something to this team, or been apart of it, that wasn't there before. To me, as a fan, things with this team these days just 'feel good', and I think both Dalpe and Boychuk are apart of that.

Why not just...

Boychuk - Staal - Cole
Skinner - Dalpe - Ruutu
Jokinen - Sutter - LaRose/Dwyer
Bodie - Carter - Dwyer/LaRose

or..

Boychuk - Staal - Cole
Skinner - Ruutu - Dalpe
Jokinen - Sutter - LaRose/Dwyer
Bodie - Carter - Dwyer/LaRose

Samsonov - healthy scratch/press box.


Either or, mix and match the lines as you please, but keep the top 9 as is in some form.


In the grand scheme of things, will more time in Charlotte hurt Dalpe? absolutely not, so this isn't the worst thing that could happen. With that said, he's played quite well in my opinion at both ends of the ice, and physically aswell. (Hard to believe this kid used to be so small and now stands a solid 6'1 195).

I have no intent to rant on LaRose and Dwyer here, but let's face it, they're in the top 9 and they don't produce there. I think those minutes would be better off to Dalpe and Boychuk (though his spot looks relatively safe for now), guys that can play the role effectively, mature in the process, and put up some numbers. It just boggles my mind that we cannot put one of Dwyer or LaRose on the 4th line while still collecting solid PK minutes. In my opinion, they'd be just as effective with less minutes as they are with 13-15 and the outcome for the team would likely be the same with the potential to be better in my opinion.

The last 24-25 games..

LaRose - 25 GP - 1 Goal - 3 Assists - 4 Points

Dwyer - 24 GP - 2 Goals - 5 Assists - 7 Points


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01-14-2011, 12:34 PM
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here's the problem... I don't think LaRose goes because of how JR associates him as the fan favorite... I don't think Dwyer goes because he might be our best PK'r right now... Sammy HAS to go, one way or another... Trade, waive, healthy scratch, etc... I'd like to see Sammy gone, Dwyer moved down to 4th line and PK specialist.


Boychuk-Staal-Cole
Skinner-Ruutu-LaRose
Jussi-Sutter-Dalpe
Dwyer-Carter-Bodie
Sammy

That's how I'd run it

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01-14-2011, 12:36 PM
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Damn, state and I were posting at the same time with nearly identical thoughts

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01-14-2011, 12:41 PM
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Damn, state and I were posting at the same time with nearly identical thoughts
I just can't grasp logically why one of LaRose or Dwyer cannot be shifted to the 4th line to play 7-10 even strength minutes + PK time. They would be just as effective there and it would allow others such as Dalpe (in this current situation), to remain in the top 9, where he has proven he belongs at this point in time. And, the team has been winning, so why on gods green earth switch things up?

Maurice has spoken publicly about sitting this vet, that vet, cutting minutes, etc.. in order to give deserving minutes to kids who are earning them. So why can't LaRose and his 1 goal and 4 points in 25 games be demoted to the 4th line with PK time? Riddle me that, Mo. Nobody can make me believe for a second some of these vets aren't favored. It's a joke.

It makes me shake my ****ing head.

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01-14-2011, 12:42 PM
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Why not just...

Boychuk - Staal - Cole
Skinner - Dalpe - Ruutu
Jokinen - Sutter - LaRose/Dwyer
Bodie - Carter - Dwyer/LaRose

or..

Boychuk - Staal - Cole
Skinner - Ruutu - Dalpe
Jokinen - Sutter - LaRose/Dwyer
Bodie - Carter - Dwyer/LaRose

Samsonov - healthy scratch/press box.
I too want Dalpe and Boychuk up with the big team, but in no way has Dalpe earned 2nd line duty. Jokinen should be up there for sure. He's a PPG player this year. (edit - 29 points in last 29 games, after a horrendous start. Sorry, saw that stat on last night's game and thought the 29 games were for the entire season)

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01-14-2011, 12:48 PM
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I too want Dalpe and Boychuk up with the big team, but in no way has Dalpe earned 2nd line duty. Jokinen should be up there for sure. He's a PPG player this year. (edit - 29 points in last 29 games, after a horrendous start. Sorry, saw that stat on last night's game and thought the 29 games were for the entire season)
That's fine, I can live with that. I added after I entered it that so long as the top 9 remains the same mix of guys, I am happy. Mix and match as you please.

Jokinen - Staal - Cole
Skinner - Ruutu - Dalpe
Boychuk - Sutter - Dwyer/LaRose
Bodie - Carter - LaRose/Dwyer

If that works, i'm all for it. But, that top 9 should be our top 9, in some fashion.

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01-14-2011, 01:36 PM
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First of all, I never claimed that somebody should have jumped him and forced him to fight. It was just disheartening for me to see him get creamed like that and then nobody seemed interested in talking to Montador and telling him that they didn't appreciate him going after the youngest kid in the NHL that also happens to be one of our main point producers.
I wasn't trying to imply that that's what you wanted. If you notice at the end of my post, it's more of a general NHL thing that I get pissed off about.

As for the specific hit on Skinner - it wasn't one of those where he got destroyed, but Montador definitely caught him with his head down and separated him from the puck. I'd argue that it wasn't the type of hit that would warrant a "retaliation", but if you feel there should have been some jawing, that's fine. When I see jawing, all I think is "Why is your vagina hurt?"

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When you have a kid this young playing up here, you have to make sure he feels protected. Playing in the NHL can be an intimidating experience and knowing that your teammates have your back is a very crucial way to stay loose and not stay overly concerned about playing it safe and not playing your style of game. Again, I do think Skinner is the type that this thought wouldn't enter his mind anyways but you would like to see somebody cement that fact and stand up and hold him accountable if only through a couple of shoves and unkind words.
I could buy that if Skinner had been repeatedly targeted throughout the season. However, he's either been able to avoid the big hits or reacted to them in a way that has told the opposition "this isn't going to bother me."

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I still don't see how you could applaud the team doing nothing at all. That part is really confusing to me. Trust yields chemistry and when you have a player that gets wrecked like that, especially as a young player, allowing it to go unnoticed only creates doubt. Do these guys really have my back?
I applaud the team as part of the greater concept that "not every hit should be taken as an act of war." I also applaud the team because it's the smart thing to do in terms of not taking a retaliation penalty. Too often, whoever would go after the Montador would get the only penalty, and in my opinion that would have been a silly penalty to take.

Now, I understand your second point. However, I think Skinner's a smart guy. He'll operate under the philosophy of "taking a number" and remembering who it was who hit him, as will the rest of the team (most likely Cole, Gleason, etc).

If it was a situation where we were playing the Flyers, and Pronger was just absolutely abusing Skinner, I would totally fall on the side of protecting Skinner to the point of taking penalties. But something like that hasn't happened yet, so I'll wait to comment until it does.

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01-14-2011, 01:58 PM
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Boychuk deserves stay, dalpe isnt gonna get the minutes so I'm ok with him going down. I think at this point even jr knows he has two legit kids and a numbers problem. Sammy is in the way, and even tho he is up and down he is playing ok for him. Jussi earns his spot. Tlusty is an issue, we gave up a first rounder for him so to lose him on waivers is just bad asset management. If we were sure no one would take him it would be nice to send him down, tho sitting him in the minors won't sit well for long at this point either.

Obviously dwyer and larose belong on the third and fourth lines, and would make them very good lines for those roles. The team could look good next year if that happens, course we will probably lose a few guys in the off season anyway. Minus Sammy and one other winger the kids will have their spots. Jr wont spend money on a ufa if he has these two in his pocket and no minority owner.

As for the toughness issue, I think we are a bunch of wee Nancy poofs all around. I don't see a solution though, I don't see us getting a couple of top 9 forwards who can be tough and skilled enough to make a difference. We could use a couple of power forwards on the way with the rest, if only we could spend an entire draft getting bigger and tougher.....

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01-14-2011, 01:59 PM
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Sens1Canes2, I think you and I see pretty eye to eye on this one.

People say what would this place be if we all agreed, but it's kinda nice to agree. Also, it likely means less novel-like posts on my part.

Which, by the way, i'm in the midst of trying to cut down on, seriously. .. We'll see, every now again i'm like a mad ape on a keyboard. I don't intend to, I just get writing and different things come to mind and, well, the rest is history... or on ignore, whichever.

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