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Yeah, because UND doesn't have any national championships
They have 2 since the Hrkac Circus, the most recent of which was 11 years ago. The only accomplishment of note (for a program that is held to a higher standard than most) since then was a NC game appearance in 2005. BC has 3 in that span and Minnesota and DU have two each. I like North Dakota and I respect the hell out of them but they have been a disappointment for years now.

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They have 2 since the Hrkac Circus, the most recent of which was 11 years ago. The only accomplishment of note (for a program that is held to a higher standard than most) since then was a NC game appearance in 2005. BC has 3 in that span and Minnesota and DU have two each. I like North Dakota and I respect the hell out of them but they have been a disappointment for years now.
No no, you brought up national titles. You can't limit it to a window that fits your criteria

Let's also keep in mind how many great players the sioux lose after 2 years...

The Sioux top-9 in 04-05 if no one leaves and plays all 4..

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No no, you brought up national titles. You can't limit it to a window that fits your criteria

Let's also keep in mind how many great players the sioux lose after 2 years...

The Sioux top-9 in 04-05 if no one leaves and plays all 4..

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I am not limiting my window arbitrarily, I framed it in terms of the last 25 years. The early departures (which every school with big time players has to deal with) doesn't explain the Sioux's inability to win it all.

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I am not limiting my window arbitrarily, I framed it in terms of the last 25 years. The early departures (which every school with big time players has to deal with) doesn't explain the Sioux's inability to win it all.
You're still limiting your window

You implied that Boston College wins more NTs than the sioux and I corrected you. The sioux have 2 more thus your point holds no water. You also stated that players go to UND to win the hobey and that others go to BC to win the national championship. Also incorrect considering the sioux have one hobey winner since hrkac....

Also, look at the top players UND has watched leave early. Not one program can match it as they get top recruits that are ready to jump early. C'mon, name a program that has seen top players like Parise, zajac, toews, oshie, stafford, etc leave early Not everyone can recruit mediocre players that stay all 4 like BC

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The Sioux are the Devils of NCAA hockey. They have a history of success, but haven't won a championship in a while. They're still one of the best programs in the nation, just haven't won it all recently. Making the Frozen Four four straight years and not coming away with the big one still hurts. By comparison, Boston College would be like the Wings. One of the top programs in the nation that has had more championship success lately.

As for the Final Five championship, that was one hell of a game. Brittain made some ridiculous saves in overtime, and I have to give Denver a lot of credit for battling back. The way they played the third period I was really nervous headed into overtime, but Mr. Clutch Matt Frattin came through again.

Lou, if you're working on a deal with Burke up in Toronto this summer, can you please get them to throw Frattin in the deal?

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UNH draws Miami-Ohio in the first round of the NCAA tournament.

****in' A let's do this.

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UNH draws Miami-Ohio in the first round of the NCAA tournament.

****in' A let's do this.
Good luck, my Red Hawks are on a mission right now and have been playing their best hockey of late. Our senior class led by Hobey finalists Camper and Miele are lighting it up and our defense led by Weber and Wideman keeping opponents at bay.

Miami is much better than they were last year or the year before at this point with two very potent scoring lines, great defense and a super confident goalie.

I am looking forward to some great games, and hopefully we can win a National Championship that we have come so close to grabbing over the last 2 years.

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Looking at the bracket, assuming UND and Denver both win Saturday, they'll be playing each other again Sunday for a chance to go the Frozen Four. Could definitely be interesting.

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You're still limiting your window

You implied that Boston College wins more NTs than the sioux and I corrected you. The sioux have 2 more thus your point holds no water. You also stated that players go to UND to win the hobey and that others go to BC to win the national championship. Also incorrect considering the sioux have one hobey winner since hrkac....

Also, look at the top players UND has watched leave early. Not one program can match it as they get top recruits that are ready to jump early. C'mon, name a program that has seen top players like Parise, zajac, toews, oshie, stafford, etc leave early Not everyone can recruit mediocre players that stay all 4 like BC
Minnesota... Okposo, Kessel, Vanek, Ballard, Goligoski, Erik Johnson, Jordan Schroeder ect.

Wisconsin... Stepan, McDonagh, Gardiner, McBain, Turris, Jack Skille, ect

Michigan has also seen itself lose it's top players although they haven't made as much of an impact in the NHL. They lost the likes of Palushaj, Tambellini, Pacioretty, Jack Johnson, Cogliano, Montoya, ect.

Not to mention North Dakota hasn't had a good one leave since Oshie and they've been led by nothing but 3 and 4(and in one case a 5 year player) players this year. You know the type of mediocre players that BC recruits...


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Good luck, my Red Hawks are on a mission right now and have been playing their best hockey of late. Our senior class led by Hobey finalists Camper and Miele are lighting it up and our defense led by Weber and Wideman keeping opponents at bay.

Miami is much better than they were last year or the year before at this point with two very potent scoring lines, great defense and a super confident goalie.

I am looking forward to some great games, and hopefully we can win a National Championship that we have come so close to grabbing over the last 2 years.
Was in Vegas about a month ago and they had the Red Hawks at 30-1 which I thought was quite high when comparable clubs like Michigan were getting 12-1. Put down $20 and a couple buddies followed suit. When the third guy tried to place the bet, the casino employee called over his manager to approve the wager as if we had some inside information or something.

If anything, we're enjoying the unintentional comedy of following everything related to Miami of Ohio hockey. Freshman Bryon Paulazzo netted two goals over the weekend (giving him a total of three for the season). He's from Redwood City, California which isn't too far from where my buddies grew up. Miami's head coach is Enrico Blasi, so I had fun trying to start an "Enrico! Paulazzo!" chant while we were watching the CCHA playoff games this weekend.

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C'mon, name a program that has seen top players like Parise, zajac, toews, oshie, stafford, etc leave early Not everyone can recruit mediocre players that stay all 4 like BC
Chuck Kobasew
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Was in Vegas about a month ago and they had the Red Hawks at 30-1 which I thought was quite high when comparable clubs like Michigan were getting 12-1. Put down $20 and a couple buddies followed suit. When the third guy tried to place the bet, the casino employee called over his manager to approve the wager as if we had some inside information or something.

If anything, we're enjoying the unintentional comedy of following everything related to Miami of Ohio hockey. Freshman Bryon Paulazzo netted two goals over the weekend (giving him a total of three for the season). He's from Redwood City, California which isn't too far from where my buddies grew up. Miami's head coach is Enrico Blasi, so I had fun trying to start an "Enrico! Paulazzo!" chant while we were watching the CCHA playoff games this weekend.

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Haha - 3 bets in a row for the same team. Were you guys dropping a couple grand each!? Funny that he got worried so fast. Hmmm a group of guys appearing to be buddies traveling together making a bet on the same team!? *shocking*

You should road trip it to see Miami play at home - great rink and super crowd. It's just in the middle of nowhere. Like a campus fell from the sky in the middle of farm country Ohio.

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You forgot the Gionta brothers.

If you're talking about NHL player development, I'd put North Dakota, Minnesota, Michigan, Boston College, and Wisconsin at the top of the list. I don't think any one of them is clearly better than the other. They've all had some good talent go through their programs.

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You forgot the Gionta brothers.

If you're talking about NHL player development, I'd put North Dakota, Minnesota, Michigan, Boston College, and Wisconsin at the top of the list. I don't think any one of them is clearly better than the other. They've all had some good talent go through their programs.
they are talking about impactful college players that left early.

anyway you can throe BU on that list as well.

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Haha - 3 bets in a row for the same team. Were you guys dropping a couple grand each!? Funny that he got worried so fast. Hmmm a group of guys appearing to be buddies traveling together making a bet on the same team!? *shocking*

You should road trip it to see Miami play at home - great rink and super crowd. It's just in the middle of nowhere. Like a campus fell from the sky in the middle of farm country Ohio.
If Miami were to pull it off, we might have to find a reason to end up out there. Might have to look into going for an NCAA game next fall. Gave some thought of going to the outdoor game for Michigan.

Was planning on taking off a solid three weeks for birthday/hockey travels this year. If I'm lucky, I could maybe catch a Wolverines home game and then drive across the border to watch Windsor. If Windsor happens to be playing Sarnia, I could see three 2012 top 10s with Nail Yakupov, Nick Ebert, and Alex Galchenyuk.

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How is that list in any way comparable to the players that bolted from UND? The talent level is weak..

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Minnesota... Okposo, Kessel, Vanek, Ballard, Goligoski, Erik Johnson, Jordan Schroeder ect.

Wisconsin... Stepan, McDonagh, Gardiner, McBain, Turris, Jack Skille, ect

Michigan has also seen itself lose it's top players although they haven't made as much of an impact in the NHL. They lost the likes of Palushaj, Tambellini, Pacioretty, Jack Johnson, Cogliano, Montoya, ect.

Not to mention North Dakota hasn't had a good one leave since Oshie and they've been led by nothing but 3 and 4(and in one case a 5 year player) players this year. You know the type of mediocre players that BC recruits...
I said "top players" and I also was directly referring to the lineups ND could've iced 3-5 years ago if starts hadn't left. They would've blown everybody out of the arena. You won't get an argument from me that the sioux haven't landed top-tier recruits lately aside from Nelson and Forbort..

At any rate, the sioux start their march to a NC on saturday...

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How is that list in any way comparable to the players that bolted from UND? The talent level is weak..



I said "top players" and I also was directly referring to the lineups ND could've iced 3-5 years ago if starts hadn't left. They would've blown everybody out of the arena. You won't get an argument from me that the sioux haven't landed top-tier recruits lately aside from Nelson and Forbort..

At any rate, the sioux start their march to a NC on saturday...
The impact those players have on their NCAA team was just as great as any of those UND players. Who gives a **** if a player is more effective at the NHL level when what matters in this case is the impact these player could have had with their college club.

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The impact those players have on their NCAA team was just as great as any of those UND players. Who gives a **** if a player is more effective at the NHL level when what matters in this case is the impact these player could have had with their college club.
There's two different arguments going on here...

The entire argument broke out because a BC fan said "players go to UND to win the hobey (which was incorrect)" and that "players go to BC to win NCs (which implied they have more NCs than UND...also incorrect)."

I then posted an actual lineup that UND could've iced 6 years ago that would've hands down been the favorite to win it all. To argue otherwise is just foolish.

What you're talking about now is players other programs have lost and their impact on the college game. You're correct, however, Minnesota is the only program close in terms of what I'm talking about..

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Arguing aside, I created a group in the NCAA hockey bracket challenge...Anyone can join

Group name: DevsBoard

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There's two different arguments going on here...

The entire argument broke out because a BC fan said "players go to UND to win the hobey (which was incorrect)" and that "players go to BC to win NCs (which implied they have more NCs than UND...also incorrect)."

I then posted an actual lineup that UND could've iced 6 years ago that would've hands down been the favorite to win it all. To argue otherwise is just foolish.

What you're talking about now is players other programs have lost and their impact on the college game. You're correct, however, Minnesota is the only program close in terms of what I'm talking about..
I was just refuting this statement:
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Also that 05-06 UND team was stacked and didn't win. And even the 06-07 had more talent then most NCAA clubs and also couldn't get the job done. Both times knocked out by a BC club that was lead by mostly sophomores.

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Arguing aside, I created a group in the NCAA hockey bracket challenge...Anyone can join

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I'm in, naturally. Going with UND or am I.

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I was just refuting this statement:

Also that 05-06 UND team was stacked and didn't win. And even the 06-07 had more talent then most NCAA clubs and also couldn't get the job done. Both times knocked out by a BC club that was lead by mostly sophomores.
Oh I agree...Trust me I have a lot of respect for BC and their program. They've wrecked the sioux lately in big games..

I still have nightmares of Gerbe coming down on Joe Finley and coning the absolute **** out of that tall baffoon...

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Was in Vegas about a month ago and they had the Red Hawks at 30-1 which I thought was quite high when comparable clubs like Michigan were getting 12-1. Put down $20 and a couple buddies followed suit. When the third guy tried to place the bet, the casino employee called over his manager to approve the wager as if we had some inside information or something.

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Oh I agree...Trust me I have a lot of respect for BC and their program. They've wrecked the sioux lately in big games..

I still have nightmares of Gerbe coming down on Joe Finley and coning the absolute **** out of that tall baffoon...
Brackets are set up for another potential Frozen Four matchup. Hopefully that doesn't happen because I'm pulling for Michigan.

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Brackets are set up for another potential Frozen Four matchup. Hopefully that doesn't happen because I'm pulling for Michigan.
I'm not trying to look ahead, but you can't help but notice a potential second round matchup between UND and DU. That would not be easy...

And I actually like UNO to do some damage..

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