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01-14-2011, 12:25 PM
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Is Gagner expendable?

If we draft Couturier does that mean we can try and package Gagner + to get a solid defenseman?

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Yes.

2nd liner at best. Too small and can't win faceoffs.

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I'd say no as who would we have down the middle if Gagner left?

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Lets have this discussion in a year.

Now is too early.

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01-14-2011, 12:32 PM
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I'd say no as who would we have down the middle if Gagner left?
Hall (1st Line), Courturier (2nd), Horcoff (3rd)

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No.

Hall's experience at centre is short term.

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No.

Hall's experience at centre is short term.
No but lets say Lander is NHL ready

Horcoff
Couturier
Lander

Then in a few years...

Couturier
Lander
Horcoff

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You spelled Cogliano wrong.

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No but lets say Lander is NHL ready

Horcoff
Couturier
Lander

Then in a few years...

Couturier
Lander
Horcoff
Then Gagner can move around in forward positions, and help facilitate the transition to the NHL for the younger players. Gagner's not untouchable, but he's hardly expendable, imo.

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I think the real question here is why would they draft Couturier?

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You spelled Cogliano wrong.
Cogliano is passed the term expendable.

Gagner would actually get a good return.

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You spelled Cogliano wrong.

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I think the real question here is why would they draft Couturier?
Larsson will be taken.

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Larsson will be taken.
New Jersey will take Larsson. nm misread your post.

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Oiler fans really need to step back from the whole idea that guys drafted in next year's draft or guys we already drafted are making people expenadable.

Lets see what these kids can do before moving a player based on a hunch.

Would it even hurt if we did draft Courturier and had Gagner as a 2nd line center?

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Larsson will be taken.
If it's between Larsson and Couturier, almost 100% the Oilers will take Couturier.

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01-14-2011, 12:40 PM
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If they draft Couturier, I think Hall will just switch back to LW as opposed to trading Gagner. He may not be a championship calibre first-line center, but he could certainly play 2nd line on a cup-winning team.

Gagner has improved by leaps and bounds this year. I'd consider him an actual NHL player for the first time in his career. His points haven't exploded yet, but the way he's been scoring those points has been quite impressive. He's certainly one to keep around unless a deal comes along that you simply cannot refuse.

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Strange conversation.

Right now, and often, the team is giving Gagner some of the most difficult assignments of the year.

Since Horc went down Gagner, 21 himself, has Centered essentially an all rookie club. For the longest time Hall and Eberle and now Omark and Paajarvi.

Does anybody really think a player earmarked for departure is playing and building chemistry with our future players and developing them?

Meanwhile two veteran players with more NHL GP and who are much older, Penner, and Hemsky, are playing together and with the shared task of looking after Taylor Hall.

It would seem clear to me anyway that the team is giving Gagner one hell of a lot of responsibility out there. At the youngest age. Which probably is in line with what the cards hold for Gagner here.

Gagner has resilience. The capacity to handle these assignments and not get fedup. The team knows it. The team also knows you can't put either Hemsky or Penner in those positions too often or they do sag.

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01-14-2011, 12:42 PM
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No but lets say Lander is NHL ready

Horcoff
Couturier
Lander

Then in a few years...

Couturier
Lander
Horcoff
I see no reason to take Lander or Couturier's positions in this scenario for granted.

You wait for the redunancy before you move to fix it. It could be three years before Anton Lander is ready to assume a role on the Oilers, if he even comes over. And then there's the option of moving Gagner back to RW. And this is me assuming that we're drafting Couturier and not Landeskog or Larsson or whoever.

You don't drop maturing assets for the "shiny new thing" in the summer. You wait for the redundancy to open up. Too many quality centres is a problem I'd like to have throughout the season.

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Strange conversation.

Right now, and often, the team is giving Gagner some of the most difficult assignments of the year.

Since Horc went down Gagner, 21 himself, has Centered essentially an all rookie club. For the longest time Hall and Eberle and now Omark and Paajarvi.

Does anybody really think a player earmarked for departure is playing and building chemistry with our future players and developing them?

Meanwhile two veteran players with more NHL GP and who are much older, Penner, and Hemsky, are playing together and with the shared task of looking after Taylor Hall.

It would seem clear to me anyway that the team is giving Gagner one hell of a lot of responsibility out there. At the youngest age. Which probably is in line with what the cards hold for Gagner here.

Gagner has resilience. The capacity to handle these assignments and not get fedup. The team knows it. The team also knows you can't put either Hemsky or Penner in those positions too often or they do sag.
Very solid point.

+1 for Gagner to stay.

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No.

I'm not sure why we're having this conversation. He's 21, and is on track to be a consistent 60 point 2nd line C in the NHL.

Believe it or not, that's pretty valuable in the NHL.

I'm also not sold Hall's future is at C.

More question should be,

what can we get for Brule + Cogliano?

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No.

I'm not sure why we're having this conversation. He's 21, and is on track to be a consistent 60 point 2nd line C in the NHL.

Believe it or not, that's pretty valuable in the NHL.

I'm also not sold Hall's future is at C.

More question should be,

what can we get for Brule + Cogliano?
Oh, neither am I on Hall at C.

We could get a late 2nd for one of them probably, depth for the playoffs at the deadline, I hope.

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Penner and Hemsky may share a role in directly shielding Hall and taking some heat off of him, but both of them playing on a line together makes the job easier for everyone else on the team, as Penner-Hall-Hemsky takes on the toughest assignments. They're still shielding Paajarvi, Omark, and Eberle, just in a different respect than Gagner is.

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I would say no. He will be an extremely good #2 C moving forward.

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I honestly think we do minimal moves until the end of the year/draft... but Gagner is still very much a big part of this team going forward. He is a pretty good 2nd line center.

I cant imagine us not getting Courturier right now. Obviously things will adjust as we go along the season and approach the draft but...

If we took Courturier then our future is:
Hall Courturier Eberle
PRV Gagner Omark
Lander Horcoff Hamilton
Tough Guy/Pest O'Marra Pitlick

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