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01-15-2011, 07:32 PM
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PP was better without Gaborik

Seems like when this team has a star player like Gaborik or Jagr the PP just loses life and becomes predictable as everybody just passes back to the star. Nobody is taking a shot everybody just looking to pass to that star player.

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01-15-2011, 07:53 PM
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Seems like when this team has a star player like Gaborik or Jagr the PP just loses life and becomes predictable as everybody just passes back to the star. Nobody is taking a shot everybody just looking to pass to that star player.
It wasn't any better with Zherdev either. I think it's much more the personnel at the point that is hurting our PP and not the forward positions

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01-15-2011, 07:54 PM
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Seems like when this team has a star player like Gaborik or Jagr the PP just loses life and becomes predictable as everybody just passes back to the star. Nobody is taking a shot everybody just looking to pass to that star player.
Did you actually watch our powerplay with Jagr? He alone made our powerplay respectable. But Gaborik and Jagr are almost polar opposite players.

Our powerplay right now is garbage though, no question.

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Torts should double shift Gaborik for the rest of this game and if he doesn't score or put up some points, bench him for the Flyer game.

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01-15-2011, 08:09 PM
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We defend more than attack on aour PP's. have done for the last 3 years! We suck, would rather play against 5 than 4

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01-15-2011, 09:15 PM
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If you ask me the problem is more that everyone is basically standing still. That makes it very easy for the defending team to be in blocking positions, taking away passing lanes, etc.

The guys skate in, take up their respective position, and stays there unless they have to move to get a hold of the puck.

Look at the habs powerplay tonight for comparison, always moving, quick passes, forcing the boxplay to constantly move around at a frantic pace (which inevitably would open up for a shot), etc.

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01-15-2011, 09:21 PM
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Rangers powerplay rarely surprises the other team with any surprise frantic moves.
They don't really dare the other team to keep up with them. Maybe they can't move that fast, but whatever, at least tonight Montreal had everything covered. They knew where it was going.

Sad to watch how many seconds tick off the clock as the puck moves clockwise around the perimeter, then counter-clockwise the way it just came.
Tick-tock-tick-tock and nothing happening.

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01-16-2011, 12:26 AM
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Nylander was a huge key to the power play with Jagr. Gomez was supposed to replace Nylander's playmaking ability but it never happened.

I think the power play is worse without Del Zotto. Even if he's a liability defensively, he was still good at setting it up.

The Rangers cant even set up.

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I think the PP shows some glimpses of successful plays but thats about it. Like others have said, the main problem is that they stand still way too much. They are staggered, each set in their own radius and they just pass the puck around. Now that wouldnt be AS bad if we had a bomb of a shot on the point that were setting up which is why were passing the puck back and forth until a lane opens. But the fact is we dont. We need to move more. Its just too easy for the PKers to defend plus they're not getting tired much.

Staal moved in from the point in the 2nd period and gaborik found him with a good pass. He was wide open with the whole net to look at but he just couldnt handle the pass. But the point is he was that open because MTL wasnt expecting that type of movement. You have a man advantage. MTL cant keep track of the 5th man's movement or any of the movement if multiple players are shifting around, cutting into the slot and scoring areas. Goalies can try and help their PKers out by telling them about somebody sneaking but then if they get caught cheating the person who is holding the puck can fire one off at the net. The non-movement has been going on for the last few years. I dont know why it hasnt changed.

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The problem with our powerplay is how our d-man don't want to shoot the puck. Subban and Wiskniewski shot from the point all night on the powerplay and it opens up so much space for the forwards. We just pass the puck around the perimeter and expect it to open spaces down low. The NHL is too good for that unless it's a 5 on 3.

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The point is not a threat. That is the problem. If we have a legit PP QB then the PK has to be very wary which opens up room down low and allows for puck movement. Our problem is that other teams know that we are only scoring from down low so they don't have to fully respect the point. Also, of course, we don't have that booming shot that creates rebounds... no one fears Matt Gilroy... they know he is just going to move the puck or take a wrister that won't get through..

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01-16-2011, 01:35 AM
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The problem isnt Gaborik, its that our Dmen dont shoot, period.

Richards would not only help Gaborik out, but hed provide that missing point shot.

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The problem with our powerplay is how our d-man don't want to shoot the puck. Subban and Wiskniewski shot from the point all night on the powerplay and it opens up so much space for the forwards. We just pass the puck around the perimeter and expect it to open spaces down low. The NHL is too good for that unless it's a 5 on 3.
They don't want to shoot the puck because they are always looking for Gaborik.

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01-16-2011, 09:28 AM
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Gilroy and Girardi should not be on the PP

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The problem with our powerplay is how our d-man don't want to shoot the puck. Subban and Wiskniewski shot from the point all night on the powerplay and it opens up so much space for the forwards. We just pass the puck around the perimeter and expect it to open spaces down low. The NHL is too good for that unless it's a 5 on 3.
Same thing I said: The reason Montreal was successful was because NONE of the players were hesitant in shooting the puck.
The Rangers hold on to the puck for too long and don't shoot enough.

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They don't want to shoot the puck because they are always looking for Gaborik.
Then it still wouldn't be Gaborik's fault but Torts' duty to tell them to shoot. Gaborik isn't preventing them from shooting the puck, he is just another option, and extra options should never be a drawback in a good system.

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Then it still wouldn't be Gaborik's fault but Torts' duty to tell them to shoot. Gaborik isn't preventing them from shooting the puck, he is just another option, and extra options should never be a drawback in a good system.
I wasn't blaming Gaborik, but they do keep passing to him.

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Tort and Rangers should watch tapes of Montreal PP study them closely.

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I wasn't blaming Gaborik, but they do keep passing to him.
The PP always keeps looking for a "perfect" shot, therefore, they always deflect to Gaborik.

But if you look at Montreal, they either do quick passes in succession, or they do a pass-shot for deflection: that really is how simple the PP is.

Take a lot of low, hard shots, or cycle the puck quickly and look for the open slot or backdoor pass (i.e. Subban to Plekanec).

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Rozy was never scared to take a shot on the pp, I thought the youngsters would have took a leaf from his book.

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01-16-2011, 10:55 AM
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Move the puck quickly, or forfeit your advantage.

When you outnumber the opposition you have to apply some stress to cause a fracture in their defense. Rangers don't do that. It's all slo-mo. The opposition pretty much can tell where they or the puck is going, and adjust kind of quickly because most of the time they guy who gets it waits, looks around to see who he can pass to etc.
It's awful.
Oh, and try sending a guy in front of the net drawing some defenders to him. Then just shoot the little black thing and hope it goes somewhere good. Then fight like hell to get it back if need be.

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01-16-2011, 10:59 AM
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Rozy was never scared to take a shot on the pp, I thought the youngsters would have took a leaf from his book.
Are you serious? If there ever was someone on the Rangers who should have taken a lot more shots on the PP then it was Rozy. But you've got a point that he at least had a hard shot. Something we severly lack.

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The point is not a threat. That is the problem. If we have a legit PP QB then the PK has to be very wary which opens up room down low and allows for puck movement. Our problem is that other teams know that we are only scoring from down low so they don't have to fully respect the point. Also, of course, we don't have that booming shot that creates rebounds... no one fears Matt Gilroy... they know he is just going to move the puck or take a wrister that won't get through..
Yeah I think that is the problem on our powerplay. The point play has been bad. Like you said there is no real threat on the point for the other team to worry about. Rangers need to try Gaborik on the point.

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Bruins fan here,

I was wondering if Del Zotto was still up in the big club or he is injured.

He hasent played since the 2nd of January

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Bruins fan here,

I was wondering if Del Zotto was still up in the big club or he is injured.

He hasent played since the 2nd of January
He was demoted to the Connecticut Whale (AHL) and Gilroy is taking his spot.

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