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01-16-2011, 08:31 PM
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Plain and simple, I rather wait till the end of the season. I want them to tank and get a high pick before Spezza comes in and helps win games.

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Brassard/Filatov/ '11 2nd
Not a fan of getting Spezza, but if a trade would happen I'd think the above is fair. Don't want to see Jake packaged for him, but would grudgingly give Brass.

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If The CBj can get Spezza, that's not just a game changer, it is a division changer. The CBJ want him mentoring Johanssen. Get him while his value is low. Would be willing to trade 20 and 16 for him straight up right now. Would be better to trade 20 + any one of Moreau, Clark, Strahlman, Commodore (Even at half price.)

Some things you just cannot let go and a chance to get Spezza is one I take.

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I just wanted to thank the CLB board for your responses to my proposal. Nash is one of my favourite players in the league and I think you guys have a great prospect pool and have a team that will keep getting better year after year. Unfortunately it has been along time since Ottawa has had some good solid forward propects

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Another day, another Spezza to Columbus thread.

Then again, Umberger an Vermette were discussed repeatedly before they were acquired. But, I'm not holding my breath as much sense as it might make.

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If The CBj can get Spezza, that's not just a game changer, it is a division changer. The CBJ want him mentoring Johanssen. Get him while his value is low. Would be willing to trade 20 and 16 for him straight up right now. Would be better to trade 20 + any one of Moreau, Clark, Strahlman, Commodore (Even at half price.)

Some things you just cannot let go and a chance to get Spezza is one I take.
Agreed.

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If The CBj can get Spezza, that's not just a game changer, it is a division changer. The CBJ want him mentoring Johanssen. Get him while his value is low. Would be willing to trade 20 and 16 for him straight up right now. Would be better to trade 20 + any one of Moreau, Clark, Strahlman, Commodore (Even at half price.)

Some things you just cannot let go and a chance to get Spezza is one I take.
The problem is that our GM is risk adverse

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If The CBj can get Spezza, that's not just a game changer, it is a division changer. The CBJ want him mentoring Johanssen. Get him while his value is low. Would be willing to trade 20 and 16 for him straight up right now. Would be better to trade 20 + any one of Moreau, Clark, Strahlman, Commodore (Even at half price.)

Some things you just cannot let go and a chance to get Spezza is one I take.
Agreed!

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I'd rather let Jake develop and see what we have with this Johansen guy.

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I'd rather let Jake develop and see what we have with this Johansen guy.
And by then we will have to totally rebuild the team because Nash will be past his prime.

How many times are people going to go through with this assumption that all of our next group of prospects, unlike any group of prospects in the history of the NHL, will turn into bona fide studs overnight?

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And by then we will have to totally rebuild the team because Nash will be past his prime.

How many times are people going to go through with this assumption that all of our next group of prospects, unlike any group of prospects in the history of the NHL, will turn into bona fide studs overnight?
doubt it.

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01-17-2011, 01:16 AM
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To CBJ

Spezza
Gonchar

To OTTAWA

Brassard
Commodore
Filatov
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lol Columbus would be all over that in a second. Howson could never get that value for those players.

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Do you think an overrated player who is a good but he is always injured?

I hope I never see Spezza here.

By the way Filatov trade would be the most stupid thing we would make. He has fantsatic potential and we ňwould trade him only for one bad season? He is only 20.

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Do you think an overrated player who is a good but he is always injured?

I hope I never see Spezza here.

By the way Filatov trade would be the most stupid thing we would make. He has fantsatic potential and we ňwould trade him only for one bad season? He is only 20.
I agree that Nikki has potential, but nobody is untouchable. If the right offer was made, he'd be on the next bus out of town, just like anybody else. He's certainly not high on my list to be removed from sight, but he's an asset to be used, either on the ice with the CBJ or a chip to improve the team. Too much can't be made of "potential" or "the future" or we risk losing sight of the swamp that is the present. If he could be moved for something that is proven and will make a difference, this season, I'd have to give it serious consideration. By the way, I don't see Spezza as that difference maker.

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01-17-2011, 11:39 AM
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I agree that Nikki has potential, but nobody is untouchable. If the right offer was made, he'd be on the next bus out of town, just like anybody else. He's certainly not high on my list to be removed from sight, but he's an asset to be used, either on the ice with the CBJ or a chip to improve the team. Too much can't be made of "potential" or "the future" or we risk losing sight of the swamp that is the present. If he could be moved for something that is proven and will make a difference, this season, I'd have to give it serious consideration. By the way, I don't see Spezza as that difference maker.
And do you think Spezza is right? No we do not need always injured player who will be on IR when we will need him.

For me - untouchable players are: Nash, Filatov, Johansen, Moore and Goloubef. That is all.

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doubt it.
Just for the sake of discussion, IF Johansen ever becomes a true #1 Center, how long do you think it will take?

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And do you think Spezza is right? No we do not need always injured player who will be on IR when we will need him.

For me - untouchable players are: Nash, Filatov, Johansen, Moore and Goloubef. That is all.
In the real world, no, I don't see a trade for Spezza being the answer. In a fantasy world
where Nikki, Stralman and a second round choice gets it done, then yes.

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In the real world, no, I don't see a trade for Spezza being the answer. In a fantasy world
where Nikki, Stralman and a second round choice gets it done, then yes.
I wrote Filly is untouchable for me. And Spezza is useless for us. If he would not be so often injured we can say about him. Besides he is not good in the key moments.

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Do you think an overrated player who is a good but he is always injured?

I hope I never see Spezza here.

By the way Filatov trade would be the most stupid thing we would make. He has fantsatic potential and we ňwould trade him only for one bad season? He is only 20.
Are you kidding me? Filatov would be lucky to have one season as good as Spezza's worst.

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Are you kidding me? Filatov would be lucky to have one season as good as Spezza's worst.
Does we need Spezzas last seasons? We can get Wayne Gretzky.
You would trade Nasher for Spezza because Nasher stats are whorse than Spezza.

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Are you kidding me? Filatov would be lucky to have one season as good as Spezza's worst.
Thank you! Why would we not trade an AHL player for Spezza who is under contract for 3 more years?

I agree that Filatov has more time to develop, but I don't believe he will ever touch Spezza's point totals. Nash isn't getting any younger, we need to get him a Center while he is in his prime. We don't have the time to wait for Johansson.

Nash-Spezza-Huselius no question would be one of the top lines in the league.

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Thank you! Why would we not trade an AHL player for Spezza who is under contract for 3 more years?

I agree that Filatov has more time to develop, but I don't believe he will ever touch Spezza's point totals. Nash isn't getting any younger, we need to get him a Center while he is in his prime. We don't have the time to wait for Johansson.

Nash-Spezza-Huselius no question would be one of the top lines in the league.
Trades are not a computer game. Filatov need mental development not skill or similar development. And I am not afraid on it. By the way can Spezza repeat his stats again?


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Nash-Spezza-Huselius no question would be one of the top lines in the league.
Agree 100% IF we can let them play like Heatley-Spezza-Alfredsson played with one another (I believe that was the old line). Obviously Alfredsson > Huselius, but I'd argue that they could still be AS effective. Juice seems to play well beside a solid C (look at his time in Calgary) and Spezza plays well with a producer and a big body.

I'd be willing to move Brass and Filatov plus our 2nd. Allows us to cash in assets for a strong C, keep our young D that I'm personally fond of, and keep our #1 draft pick, which could get us another top 5 pick. Obviously if one of our young d (CG and DS come to mind) have to go, then I would be bummed but I still think Spezza is a game changer.

Somebody mentioned earlier that Spezza could mentor Johanssen. That's a beautiful thing. Add that to already having Vermette center our 2nd line, and Johanssen could age a little bit longer.

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Agree 100% IF we can let them play like Heatley-Spezza-Alfredsson played with one another (I believe that was the old line). Obviously Alfredsson > Huselius, but I'd argue that they could still be AS effective. Juice seems to play well beside a solid C (look at his time in Calgary) and Spezza plays well with a producer and a big body.

I'd be willing to move Brass and Filatov plus our 2nd. Allows us to cash in assets for a strong C, keep our young D that I'm personally fond of, and keep our #1 draft pick, which could get us another top 5 pick. Obviously if one of our young d (CG and DS come to mind) have to go, then I would be bummed but I still think Spezza is a game changer.

Somebody mentioned earlier that Spezza could mentor Johanssen. That's a beautiful thing. Add that to already having Vermette center our 2nd line, and Johanssen could age a little bit longer.
I cannot agree. But I will not repeat it.

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