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01-18-2011, 12:02 PM
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Its a shot in the arm of the team from DW to bring in an NHL forward instead of trading away an asset or continuing to bring up modestly performing AHL players (or Cheechoo for that matter). It's not an impressive move to me for the long term or playoffs in my way of thinking.

Immediate help for a banged up team that can't afford any more losing streaks. Might be a sign Clowe is out for longer than we would like. It doesn't solve the team need for defense and better speed on the exits. But its an emotional signal to the team that might get them revved up for a drive to the P/O and thats critical for the team to start to move in that direction if they are to be successful post season.

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01-18-2011, 12:08 PM
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I can see it now - Eager comes in and goes hey Niemi what's up? Must be nice to not be in playoff contention ehh?! Let's show em what you're really made of?... oh wait there is no Defensive core... crap nevermind! Who can I punch?

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01-18-2011, 12:10 PM
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I like this deal - add veteran grit to the 4th line. Give TMac more confidence to play the 4th liners in the 3rd period, hopefully.

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So lines?

Heatley - Thornton - Couture
Clowe - Marleau - Seto
Eager - Pavelski - Mitchell
Mcginn - Nichol - Mayers
I'd like to see:
Heatley - Thornton - Couture
Pavelski - Marleau - Clowe (or Seto) -> defensively responsible 2nd line
Ferreiro - Wellwood - Seto (or Clowe or McGinn?)
Eager - Nichol - Mayers -> that is one nasty gritty 4th line, love it.

Right now McCarthy, Mitchell, Ferreiro, and McGinn (or Seto) are looking like trade bait for the dman.

Edit: well, well, now we have wellwood to add, revised the lineup


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01-18-2011, 12:12 PM
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Interesting signing for you guys - congratz. Good to see Niemi have more familiar guys in locker room.

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01-18-2011, 12:13 PM
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Eager is a beast! The boy has skill too. He was on an island in Atlanta.........fits in here awesome---------10-12 full tilt hardnosed banging away minutes a game! Not to mention a playoff warrior hard to play against

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01-18-2011, 12:18 PM
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Heatley - Thornton - Couture
Pavelski - Marleau - Clowe (or Seto) -> defensively responsible 2nd line
Ferreiro - Wellwood - Seto (or Clowe or McGinn?)
Eager - Nichol - Mayers -> that is one nasty gritty 4th line, love it.
I know people are meh about Eager and hating on Wellwood, but IF Eager doesn't take too many penalties and if Wellwood plays with something to prove (I think he will), this could be really interesting. It is potentially 3 scoring lines plus one solid checking/energy line.

Ferreiro-Wellwood-Seto is very intriguing.

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01-18-2011, 12:26 PM
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I know people are meh about Eager and hating on Wellwood, but IF Eager doesn't take too many penalties and if Wellwood plays with something to prove (I think he will), this could be really interesting. It is potentially 3 scoring lines plus one solid checking/energy line.

Ferreiro-Wellwood-Seto is very intriguing.
Exactly, and as you pointed out in other threads, if Wellwood remains an unmotivated doofus, waive him. Very low risk. This should really motivate Mitchell mostly (McGinn too a bit) to step up. Torrey isn't providing any offensive punch to justify his $1.3m cap hit.

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01-18-2011, 12:26 PM
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I know people are meh about Eager and hating on Wellwood, but IF Eager doesn't take too many penalties and if Wellwood plays with something to prove (I think he will), this could be really interesting. It is potentially 3 scoring lines plus one solid checking/energy line.

Ferreiro-Wellwood-Seto is very intriguing.
Those are two assumptions that are not based in reality. People don't change, not like that. Eager will continue to agitate poorly (as in not do so under the radar, he might as well jump up and down waving his hands in the air and then punch an opponent in the nuts), Wellwood will continue to lazy it up (he couldn't even cut it in the KHL).

They will both have an inspiring first few weeks, or even month, where we'll all think "they've changed! DW is brilliant!" then they'll return to who they are, because that is who they are.

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01-18-2011, 12:27 PM
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01-18-2011, 12:29 PM
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Those are two assumptions that are not based in reality. People don't change, not like that. Eager will continue to agitate poorly (as in not do so under the radar, he might as well jump up and down waving his hands in the air and then punch an opponent in the nuts), Wellwood will continue to lazy it up (he couldn't even cut it in the KHL).

They will both have an inspiring first few weeks, or even month, where we'll all think "they've changed! DW is brilliant!" then they'll return to who they are, because that is who they are.
Thanks Nostradamus

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Those are two assumptions that are not based in reality. People don't change, not like that. Eager will continue to agitate poorly (as in not do so under the radar, he might as well jump up and down waving his hands in the air and then punch an opponent in the nuts), Wellwood will continue to lazy it up (he couldn't even cut it in the KHL).

They will both have an inspiring first few weeks, or even month, where we'll all think "they've changed! DW is brilliant!" then they'll return to who they are, because that is who they are.
Then they get waived/benched and hopefully the team will be healthy.

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01-18-2011, 12:33 PM
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I like this deal - add veteran grit to the 4th line. Give TMac more confidence to play the 4th liners in the 3rd period, hopefully.



I'd like to see:
Heatley - Thornton - Couture
Pavelski - Marleau - Clowe (or Seto) -> defensively responsible 2nd line
Ferreiro - Wellwood - Seto (or Clowe or McGinn?)
Eager - Nichol - Mayers -> that is one nasty gritty 4th line, love it.

Right now McCarthy, Mitchell, Ferreiro, and McGinn (or Seto) are looking like trade bait for the dman.

Edit: well, well, now we have wellwood to add, revised the lineup
Puck control, and the ability to bang bodies. Good 4th line.

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01-18-2011, 12:34 PM
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is eager still suspended?

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I don't love it but I like it a lot - What this trade does is add some grit to the O which we need. He's big and isn't slow. He does take the occasional dumb penalty but if it helps keep Clowe from fighting (as much) I am all for it. It's better than having one of the AHL kids with little experience. It won't hurt us that's for sure.

When is his suspension over?

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is eager still suspended?
I think it just ended last night.

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Thanks Nostradamus
It's basic psychology.

I'm not against Eager coming here. I am against Wellwood simply because we have enough locker room issues at the moment. I'm just saying don't expect them to be anything more than they are. To expect them to all of the sudden change the fundamentals of their personality is pretty unlikely.

Eager will be a high energy, agitating, penalty prone 3rd/4th liner.

Wellwood will be a high skill but low work ethic floater who occasionally shows flashes of brilliance.

We'll get a honeymoon period out of both of them where Eager will probably tail back on the penalties a bit and Wellwood will work his butt off. Most players coming to new teams do this, it's pretty predictable.

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01-18-2011, 12:41 PM
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It's basic psychology.
Eager will be a high energy, agitating, penalty prone 3rd/4th liner.
Not going to comment on Wellwood because frankly I haven't done my due diligence. But I like the Eager move. Limited downside given our youth, but high upside. Dude isn't going to push into the 2nd line any time soon, but he skates hard and he's got the attitude we probably need more of in the locker room (I'm a badass and I've been there).

As much as I hate Byfuglien, his arrogance really exemplified the young brashness that I think really helped the hawks last year. Eager's got some of that. And I think he's pretty underrated around these parts, having watched him for a year in Chicago.

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It's basic psychology.
I would disagree with this in particular. The concepts of motivation and human nature are not basic, and they can't be answered in just a few sentences.

I agree with you completely about the honeymoon part. But the slope of their (Eager, Wellwood) descent towards their norm can have many angles, setting aside the idea that their norms may or may not have changed based on our expectations.

Only time will tell. But DW should be living by the following idea:

"Pray for the best, but prepare for the worst"

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Right now McCarthy, Mitchell, Ferreiro, and McGinn (or Seto) are looking like trade bait for the dman.


The trade value of those players is near zero...and if you take out Seto it would actually be zero.

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The trade value of those players is near zero...and if you take out Seto it would be actually zero.
ya but if they get sent down you guys can ice a full roster again

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ya but if they get sent down you guys can ice a full roster again
I'll take them all in Worcester.

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Good trade... Eager's got some skill, so he can play that way too.

Don't like taking on more former-Hawks, but that's just my own pride speaking.

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I would disagree with this in particular. The concepts of motivation and human nature are not basic, and they can't be answered in just a few sentences.

I agree with you completely about the honeymoon part. But the slope of their (Eager, Wellwood) descent towards their norm can have many angles, setting aside the idea that their norms may or may not have changed based on our expectations.

Only time will tell. But DW should be living by the following idea:

"Pray for the best, but prepare for the worst"
That is basically all i am saying. I'm pointing out what I feel is the more likely situation. They continue to be who they were on previous teams and do not make some dramatic long term improvement. That's what DW should be planning on, and if he still feels they were worth it, then fine. If they then go on to out-perform expectations, bonus.

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I confused Eager with Ladd for a second, so I was flabergasted. But it's a good deal, IMO. Don't like the Wellwood signing.

It'd be nice to have both threads in one, to be honest. Easier to discuss like that.

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