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01-20-2011, 10:23 AM
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This team needs three things. A pair of crease clearing d-men, an offensive game breaker who can add that extra goal, and a sports psychologist.

It seems like most of the goals late are right around the net. This is because we have poor positioning and soft d-men. Guds and someone else who will play the body around the net could really help.

We need a high end offensive player regardless but it would really help us to finish off the opposing team. Not having this player is made worse by the fact that we're establishing very early leads on a consistent basis.

The collapses at the end are mental. This is not only the player's heads but also ours. It's so obvious too. Posters here predict it, you can feel it happening. They need psychological help.

Can you imagine this team in the playoffs? We'd be swept so quickly. They would never be able to handle the pressure. It would be torture to watch.
The biggest help would be if our so called goalies could carry the team in the last minutes and not collapse every freaking time. Goaltending used to be our only weapon and now even that SUCKS

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01-20-2011, 10:49 AM
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The biggest help would be if our so called goalies could carry the team in the last minutes and not collapse every freaking time. Goaltending used to be our only weapon and now even that SUCKS
Clemmensen and Vokoun are not at fault for the late goals. The ones against Clemmensen were a result of terrible positioning by Santo and Wideman and a deflection. The last two against CBJ were a result of poor positioning AGAIN and another deflection. Can't put this on the goalies.

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01-20-2011, 11:32 AM
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Clemmensen and Vokoun are not at fault for the late goals. The ones against Clemmensen were a result of terrible positioning by Santo and Wideman and a deflection. The last two against CBJ were a result of poor positioning AGAIN and another deflection. Can't put this on the goalies.
I just don't get why we had Santo out there in the last minute once again. Why not just go with the oldie line in the last minute? That is just bad coaching

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01-20-2011, 01:26 PM
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I just don't get why we had Santo out there in the last minute once again. Why not just go with the oldie line in the last minute? That is just bad coaching
I thought it was Weiss, Reasoner, and Olesz out there in the last minute? I thought the player combination was pretty shrewd.

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01-20-2011, 01:40 PM
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While everyone's to blame, why hasn't anyone blamed the obvious in Weaver's positioning for the two most crucial goals scored against us? Watch the replays again, he was looking like classic Rozsival for the two.

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01-20-2011, 01:53 PM
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I just don't get why we had Santo out there in the last minute once again. Why not just go with the oldie line in the last minute? That is just bad coaching
I love your opposition to the fact that Santo was out there, when really, Wideman is the guy who is the defensive liability and should be faulted. Weaver is our best defensive guy. If you want to get on your high horse about PDB, complain about Wideman, not Santorelli.

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01-20-2011, 02:19 PM
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I thought it was Weiss, Reasoner, and Olesz out there in the last minute? I thought the player combination was pretty shrewd.
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I love your opposition to the fact that Santo was out there, when really, Wideman is the guy who is the defensive liability and should be faulted. Weaver is our best defensive guy. If you want to get on your high horse about PDB, complain about Wideman, not Santorelli.
I really never watched the highlights I just remember seeing Santo out there during both games in the last minutes.

I never watched the re-replays of the goals because they sicken me too much.

Yet I wonder why you don't have Stillman-Reasoner-Dvorak out there? All players can be counted on to make right choices in these kinda situations. Yet we put out a mix of forwards? Reasoner-Weiss out there on same time I understand with the being possibly toss out of faceoff circle.

Anyways. It doesn't matter. We lost.. Once again..

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01-20-2011, 02:51 PM
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I really never watched the highlights I just remember seeing Santo out there during both games in the last minutes.

I never watched the re-replays of the goals because they sicken me too much.


Yet I wonder why you don't have Stillman-Reasoner-Dvorak out there? All players can be counted on to make right choices in these kinda situations. Yet we put out a mix of forwards? Reasoner-Weiss out there on same time I understand with the being possibly toss out of faceoff circle.

Anyways. It doesn't matter. We lost.. Once again..
Really? Come on, get real. How can you not watch but still bash? Come on Mogo. You've been around too long to stoop to that level.

If you insist on bashing PDB in every thread and not watching the game, please take the fact that Wideman was out there and not our "defensive specialist" and run with that.

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01-20-2011, 03:38 PM
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The Panthers are telling us to be optimistic and move on to the Lightning game, so lets just move on already.

Seriously, who cares?

Everyone cheer for the blown lead tomorrow. If I were you, I would show up! It's the best thing you'll ever experience here in South Florida. The Heat just built a dynasty in the making, the Marlins have a better future, and the Dolphins will more than likely spend their money to get things turned around...but clearly, a Panthers game is the best thing you'll experience down here! Michael Yormark says so!

C'mon guys...just listen to Yormark. And believe...because Dale Tallon is here, and he put the Blackhawks together. B-L-U-E-P-R-I-N-T-! Past = Future. His name is Dale Tallon! Just like 3 years ago, DeBoer was gonna be the guy to turn things around and get us into the playoffs.

Who cares if we still haven't learned from the last decade?

JUST. BE-LIEVE!

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While everyone's to blame, why hasn't anyone blamed the obvious in Weaver's positioning for the two most crucial goals scored against us? Watch the replays again, he was looking like classic Rozsival for the two.
Weren't Wideman and Garrison the two defensemen on the ice for the game-tying goal last night?

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Weren't Wideman and Garrison the two defensemen on the ice for the game-tying goal last night?
Yes.

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01-20-2011, 04:31 PM
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I guarantee the gameplan for the Panthers opponents is to just let the Cats get out to an early lead. Just do whatever, let them score because everyone knows what happens in the end. Another game where we throw a point away. Just pathetic.

Its no fun anymore watching this team. So we get up to a quick 2-0, 3-0 lead. A big ****ing whoopdeedoo. This team cant hold it. We are the only team that can have a 3+ goal lead, and not feel comfortable with it. It just absolutely pathetic.

Last nights game just really left me disgusted with this team. I dont even know why I am even going to watch tomorrows game. Hey Yormark, I bet you dont have the balls to make another intermission appearance on tv, trying to pass the same ******** off on everyone. I bet last nights game just lost a few more accounts.

I cant even go on anymore, I am just completely pissed and disgusted with this team right now.

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While everyone's to blame, why hasn't anyone blamed the obvious in Weaver's positioning for the two most crucial goals scored against us? Watch the replays again, he was looking like classic Rozsival for the two.
There's a lot of blame to go around. No one's talking about Kulikov's penalty in overtime either.

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01-20-2011, 07:36 PM
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I think its interesting no one mentioned that shot by frolik on the powerplay in the third period. The way the pucked moved i thought it summed up the panthers season beautifully. It went right past the goalie went down onto the ice had tons of foward momentum but took a retrograde motion so that it hovered around the goal line and went out...not to mention dadonov missing the puck with the swipe of his stick. Everyone should watch that play in slow motion again it is a beautiful synopsis.

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I guarantee the gameplan for the Panthers opponents is to just let the Cats get out to an early lead. Just do whatever, let them score because everyone knows what happens in the end. Another game where we throw a point away. Just pathetic.

Its no fun anymore watching this team. So we get up to a quick 2-0, 3-0 lead. A big ****ing whoopdeedoo. This team cant hold it. We are the only team that can have a 3+ goal lead, and not feel comfortable with it. It just absolutely pathetic.

Last nights game just really left me disgusted with this team. I dont even know why I am even going to watch tomorrows game. Hey Yormark, I bet you dont have the balls to make another intermission appearance on tv, trying to pass the same ******** off on everyone. I bet last nights game just lost a few more accounts.

I cant even go on anymore, I am just completely pissed and disgusted with this team right now.
What's worse is the fact that when the other shoe finally drops, meaning the opposing team gets a 2 or 3 goal lead on us, you KNOW we won't be able to come back like they do. I was floored when this team did it against Nashville, but in the closing 2 minutes? No way in hell.

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I think its interesting no one mentioned that shot by frolik on the powerplay in the third period. The way the pucked moved i thought it summed up the panthers season beautifully. It went right past the goalie went down onto the ice had tons of foward momentum but took a retrograde motion so that it hovered around the goal line and went out...not to mention dadonov missing the puck with the swipe of his stick. Everyone should watch that play in slow motion again it is a beautiful synopsis.
Perhaps, but Olesz playing the body... missing.. falling down... THAT summarizes the last decade. Play THAT in slow motion... if you can stomach it.

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01-20-2011, 09:09 PM
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We don't know that for sure, until he actually does something.
As of right now, I don't know what direction he's taking. There haven't really been many rumors, regarding our players. The main rumor is actually that he'd like to sign Vokoun to an extension.

I'm not just going to believe in him because his name is Dale Tallon.

He shouldn't be waiting until the trade deadline to make moves, if that's what he's doing. If he can get the right value for a guy now, make the move now.
Well, he's said that he wants to win as bad as anybody, and you can tell from his interviews on camera that he does, but he's also said that you have to be smart. I'm sure you've heard some of the same stuff, "only one team wins the Cup every year" and "I won't lose sight of the future" and "I don't believe in quick fixes". Above all else, Tallon will not sacrifice the future and that's why I like him. He'll do the right thing. He's said that if we are out of it by the deadline, he'll sell off some players, and I believe he will. That is his reputation also, so there is a basis for that belief.

I can't blame him for waiting until the deadline because while I think most people realize we are not going to make the playoffs, there is still a "realistic" chance and so a GM just won't usually do that if there's a even a small chance left with this much time to go before the deadline. Plus, he's known to be very close to his players and he loves, and I can't blame him for this, the heart of this group. But that won't get in the way of what he has to do if we are still out of it by the deadline. You know Tallon doesn't mess around when it comes to draft picks and building for the future.

Wrt Vokoun, his hands might be tied because Vokoun might not be willing to go anywhere, at least not to where Tallon wants him to go. Coolburn alluded to this in another thread. It also just might makes sense to re-sign Vokoun. He's said Markstrom will be a #1 goalie in the NHL but he doesn't know when. So that might mean he's not sure he wants to depend on penciling Markstrom in for the NHL next season. Plus the goalie market this summer doesn't look that great. If he can sign Vokoun to a cheaper salary than what he's making now, it might not be a bad move if he can't get anything substantial in a trade.

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How bad was the hit on Kulikov last night? What happened exactly? I heard about it but didn't see it. I assume that's why he's out tomorrow with the ribs. He came back to play so I assume it wasn't THAT bad.

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While everyone's to blame, why hasn't anyone blamed the obvious in Weaver's positioning for the two most crucial goals scored against us? Watch the replays again, he was looking like classic Rozsival for the two.
He's been on the ice for some bad late goals. I think he's a little overrated. He's been solid for the most part this season but he's not a great shutdown d-man or anything. The fact that he and Garrison comprise our shutdown pair illustrates how pathetic this team's talent really is. Kulikov should have been given a chance by now in that role, but Pete refuses to give it to him. IMO he's been our best defensive d-man for a few weeks now.

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Sorry if its been answered, but i live in Australia and i dont see any media apart from the net or anything.
during the broadcast, did they say how long Kuli would be out for?

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Sorry if its been answered, but i live in Australia and i dont see any media apart from the net or anything.
during the broadcast, did they say how long Kuli would be out for?
They didn't say anything about his injury during the broadcast, he came back in the 3rd and finished the game. I don't think there is any kind of timetable yet.

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There's a lot of blame to go around. No one's talking about Kulikov's penalty in overtime either.
That was a bad call. Kulikov might've committed the penalty (which the guys on VS. called rather weak to call in OT, for what it's worth), but the Columbus forward was never called for holding the stick. If anything, both should've been called for penalties.

Kulikov's been really good lately. It's a shame he got injured.

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That was a bad call. Kulikov might've committed the penalty (which the guys on VS. called rather weak to call in OT, for what it's worth), but the Columbus forward was never called for holding the stick. If anything, both should've been called for penalties.

Kulikov's been really good lately. It's a shame he got injured.
Yeah, true. That was tough play, Kuli tried to quickly poke the puck off Calvert's stick but then Calvert's arm quickly wrapped around it. He definitely held the stick in between his arms too, and sold it well, I've gotta admit that was a really nice play by Calvert. It looked very subtle even on slow mo replay with the camera facing towards his front.

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