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Nabokov to Detroit (570K), Nabby on waivers, claimed by the Islanders

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01-20-2011, 06:07 PM
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He is on waivers with a Pro-rated minimum NHL salary right now.

That's like $250k...


People stop saying what he is "going to command." The deal is in....
There is NO way Detroit expect him to clear at that price. What's going on here? Why would Detroit be giving Nabby a courtesy contract? Situation seems bizarre.

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01-20-2011, 06:14 PM
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There is NO way Detroit expect him to clear at that price. What's going on here? Why would Detroit be giving Nabby a courtesy contract? Situation seems bizarre.
Because next year when he's UFA Detroit will probably have first crack at him.

This is a move basically for next year.

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01-20-2011, 06:16 PM
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Because next year when he's UFA Detroit will probably have first crack at him.

This is a move basically for next year.
How do you know he's going to make it to UFA? Whichever team gets him will have a chance to resign him before he makes UFA

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01-20-2011, 06:16 PM
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Nowhere - because it's not true.

A team which loses a player on Waivers has no special priority if the player is waived again later.

Waiver priority is ALWAYS based on standings, either the current standings, based on %-age of possible pts earned, at the time Waivers are asked or the previous years standings (if before Nov 1).

The only special privilege that a team who loses a player on waivers has is that if he is waived again that season and they are the ONLY team to put in a claim then, then they can Loan him without asking waivers again. This is to prevent a single team from perpetually blocking the loan of a player by claiming him and waiving him again.
You are just talking about players who signed from outside NA, right? With "normal" waivers, 13.20(b) says the player must be offered to the teams that put in an unsuccessful waiver claim, right?

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let's get some facts straight.


1. Rumored contract is 570k 1yr, 1-way. No NTC/NMC. (sources dreger twitter, mlive article)
*At that price, vancouver and pittsburgh are the only teams that could not fit him in the short term, and even they could make space by sending someone down. (source: capgeek max cap hit column)

2. Once the contract is signed, nabby has to go on waivers. He will be offered to all teams for a 24hr period. (source CBA, see below)

3. Waiver claims do not go from team to team. Anyone who wants to claim him submits a claim to the NHL. At the end of the 24 hour period, the team with the lowest point percentage (as of noon the day he was put on waivers) that put in a claim will get him. (source CBA, see below)

4. Cost of the waiver claim will be $3,375 USD, because nabby has 10 years under an SPC under his belt. (source CBA section 13.16)

5. Once claimed, nabby cannot be traded within the first year of his contract (and this is only a 1-year contract) unless he first clears waivers again, being offered to every team in the league again (teams that had put in an unsuccessful waiver claim the first time, or detroit, do not receive special preference.) (source CBA, see below)


applicable sections of the CBA: section 13, especially 13.23
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13.23 In the event a professional or former professional Player plays in a league outside
North America after the start of the NHL Regular Season, other than on Loan from his
Club, he may thereafter play in the NHL during that Playing Season (including Playoffs)
only if he has first either cleared or been obtained via Waivers. For the balance of the
Playing Season, any such Player who has been obtained via Waivers may be Traded or
Loaned only after again clearing Waivers or through Waiver claim

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01-20-2011, 06:21 PM
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Because next year when he's UFA Detroit will probably have first crack at him.

This is a move basically for next year.
Possible I guess. Though if San Jose does claim him, with his family here and all (after what he just went through) if San Jose was willing to re-sign him that seems pretty tempting.

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Not trying to go off topic, but...if it were Nashville that put in the claim and he became a Pred, you think Holland would feel guilty about sending Weber an offer-sheet when he becomes a RFA?
Don't really see Detroit having the cap space to offer anything high enough that Nashville wont already have to spend to resign him.

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You are just talking about players who signed from outside NA, right? With "normal" waivers, 13.20(b) says the player must be offered to the teams that put in an unsuccessful waiver claim, right?
That article only pertains to loaning a player to another league. And it also says if the original team is the only team who puts claim in for that player

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01-20-2011, 06:26 PM
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Don't really see Detroit having the cap space to offer anything high enough that Nashville wont already have to spend to resign him.
The cap room will be there if Lidstrom retires.

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Don't really see Detroit having the cap space to offer anything high enough that Nashville wont already have to spend to resign him.
Exactly. Nashville will instant match any offer sheet that comes their way. They are willing and able to give Weber big money.

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You are just talking about players who signed from outside NA, right? With "normal" waivers, 13.20(b) says the player must be offered to the teams that put in an unsuccessful waiver claim, right?
Under Article 13.20(b), the player is not technically on Waivers - he just must be offered to those teams at Waiver price - so the Waiver priority rules (Article 13.19) do not apply.

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(b) A Player who has been acquired by Waiver claim shall not be Traded to
another Club until the termination of Playoffs of the season in which he was acquired
unless he is first offered on the same terms to the Club(s) that entered a claim when
Waivers were requested originally and the offer has been refused.
Note that for players who are are claimed on Waivers after playing overseas (Svatos, Wellwood, Nabby?, etc) Article 13.23 explicitly takes precedence over 13.20(b) and the player must clear full Regular Waivers before being traded, and not just offered to specific clubs.

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13.23 In the event a professional or former professional Player plays in a league outside
North America after the start of the NHL Regular Season, other than on Loan from his
Club, he may thereafter play in the NHL during that Playing Season (including Playoffs)
only if he has first either cleared or been obtained via Waivers. For the balance of the
Playing Season, any such Player who has been obtained via Waivers may be Traded or
Loaned only after again clearing Waivers or through Waiver claim.
Here is EVERYTHING the CBA has to say about Waiver claim priority:

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13.19 If only one Club makes a claim for the Player on whom Waivers have been
requested, such Player shall be transferred to that Club. In the event that more than one
Club makes a claim for such Player, he shall be transferred to the claiming Club having
earned the lowest percentage of possible points in the League standing at the time of the
request for Waivers
or, if Waivers are requested outside the playing season, then to the
Club having earned the lowest percentage of possible points in the preceding season's
schedule of Regular Season Games. If the successful Waiver claim is made before
November 1st then the priority shall be determined by the final standing in the League's
Regular Season schedule in the preceding season.

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Exactly. Nashville will instant match any offer sheet that comes their way. They are willing and able to give Weber big money.
Detroit could potentially offer-sheet him around 8 million.

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edit:wrong thread...

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conspiracy hat on:

detroit wants to trade for vokoun, but fla needs another nhl capable goalie back. Detroit doesnt have one because of the injury to ozzie. Florida will claim nabby and then proceed to trade vokoun to the wings.

(other scenarios involve toronto with gus/giggy, ottawa with leclaire/elliott, nj with hedberg)

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detroit wants to trade for vokoun, but fla needs another nhl capable goalie back. Detroit doesnt have one because of the injury to ozzie. Florida will claim nabby and then proceed to trade vokoun to the wings.
Detroit would have to move a lot of cap room to do so. Florida would have to essentially take on Hudler +++

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detroit wants to trade for vokoun, but fla needs another nhl capable goalie back. Detroit doesnt have one because of the injury to ozzie. Florida will claim nabby and then proceed to trade vokoun to the wings.
What would make Florida think they have a better chance at resigning Nabokov than resigning Vokuun?

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Under Article 13.20(b), the player is not technically on Waivers - he just must be offered to those teams at Waiver price
Ah of course. This had me confused. Should have read more carefully.


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Detroit could potentially offer-sheet him around 8 million.
That's cool. We are expecting to pay $7M, so another million wouldn't hurt too bad.

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What would make Florida think they have a better chance at resigning Nabokov than resigning Vokuun?
nothing, under this scenario they just need a warm body in order to have the ability to make a trade with detroit, since detroit cant send a goalie back.

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I don't think Edmonton or the Islanders will put in a claim. Their trying to suck more not get better. I assume Ottawa or Toronto would before Florida is up.

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I could see it as this: And note this is coming from a guy who like this stuff.



NJ claims the guy and immediately trades him to DET for the 1st.


How many times are poeple going to post this?

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5. Once claimed, nabby cannot be traded within the first year of his contract (and this is only a 1-year contract) unless he first clears waivers again, being offered to every team in the league again (teams that had put in an unsuccessful waiver claim the first time, or detroit, do not receive special preference.) (source CBA, see below)


applicable sections of the CBA: section 13, especially 13.23
I dont get it, i got one guy on twitter contrdicting what you just said here.

"Look for detroit and NJ to work out a trade.."

in your scenario, that would not be able to happen.

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I dont get it, i got one guy on twitter contrdicting what you just said here.

"Look for detroit and NJ to work out a trade.."

in your scenario, that would not be able to happen.
I think you answered your own question.

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EDIT: Nevermind. I understand now. Still I don't think the Wings can afford Vokoun


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On the higher end of need
Tampa
Nashville

Need in the middle
Columbus

On the Lower end of need
Washington
Colorado
I think Washington or Ottawa will nab him. Ottawa needs more solid goaltending and Nabokov could try to keep them alive. Anything could help in Ottawa I think they are struggling, but they know they can be better.

Washington. Only question there is do they go with Varlamov and Nabokov oe Neuvirth and Varlamov. I think the 2 Russians could work.

So my bet is with Washington and Ottawa.

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I dont get it, i got one guy on twitter contrdicting what you just said here.

"Look for detroit and NJ to work out a trade.."

in your scenario, that would not be able to happen.
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I think you answered your own question.
It came from CBC's Tim Wharnsby: http://twitter.com/WharnsCBCSPORTS

He's probably just not fully up to speed with the CBA rules. But he's also not some random fan either.

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