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Nabokov to Detroit (570K), Nabby on waivers, claimed by the Islanders

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01-21-2011, 12:41 PM
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Of course he'll clear. Hes got a No-Movement Clause.

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This wouldn't be Nabby "not reporting." This would be Nabby exercising his NMC. He doesn't have to go anywhere, other than the team he signed with.

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Of course he'll clear. Hes got a No-Movement Clause.



This wouldn't be Nabby "not reporting." This would be Nabby exercising his NMC. He doesn't have to go anywhere, other than the team he signed with.
the contract isnt in effect until he initially clears waivers or is claimed. He doesnt have an NMC yet.

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Of course he'll clear. Hes got a No-Movement Clause.



This wouldn't be Nabby "not reporting." This would be Nabby exercising his NMC. He doesn't have to go anywhere, other than the team he signed with.
Even when he is not officially on the team until he passes the full waiver u sure this is only for regular nhl players and not people coming from europe

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Interesting. He might clear after all.....
Not a ton of upside for the Devils to claim Nabokov since trading him seems unlikely. Plenty of teams (Sens, Isles) that could kick the tires on Nabokov at a minimum cost, along with Western Conference teams that don't want to see Detroit add Nabokov for the playoffs.

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01-21-2011, 12:51 PM
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the contract isnt in effect until he initially clears waivers or is claimed. He doesnt have an NMC yet.
Can you supply me with some backup on this please? I believe that in the moment the team and him sign the contract and it is approved by the NHL and PA, it is an official contract including NMC.

However, Nabby would have to waive his NMC in order to go onto waivers again from NJ. Thus, he has not right to use his NMC clause during the waiver progress and cannot 'force' the issue.

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Not a ton of upside for the Devils to claim Nabokov since trading him seems unlikely. Plenty of teams (Sens, Isles) that could kick the tires on Nabokov at a minimum cost, along with Western Conference teams that don't want to see Detroit add Nabokov for the playoffs.
This.

275 000$ cap hit, someone gonna take him, for sure.

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Can you supply me with some backup on this please? I believe that in the moment the team and him sign the contract and it is approved by the NHL and PA, it is an official contract including NMC.

However, Nabby would have to waive his NMC in order to go onto waivers again from NJ. Thus, he has not right to use his NMC clause during the waiver progress and cannot 'force' the issue.
Nabokov cannot officially join the Red Wings (or get back into the league this season) until he is put on waivers. The rule is the same for every player signed out of Europe mid-season.

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I still don't understand how someone thinks keeping him a week on so called team and detroit gets right to pick him up waiver isnt the waiver standing the same and won't change so detroit will still have the last chance after what i read

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Nabokov cannot officially join the Red Wings (or get back into the league this season) until he is put on waivers. The rule is the same for every player signed out of Europe mid-season.
Agreed. Yet the contract is in existence and valid prior to waivers. Otherwise, the salary amount would also only apply afterwards. His contract is approved prior to waivers - his team after.

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the contract isnt in effect until he initially clears waivers or is claimed. He doesnt have an NMC yet.


also, please source your quotes.
His quote was from section 11.8 (b) of the CBA, where does it say the contract isn't in effect until he clears?

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the contract isnt in effect until he initially clears waivers or is claimed. He doesnt have an NMC yet.


also, please source your quotes.
Actually his contract would be in effect - he just would not be eligible to play.

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Actually his contract would be in effect - he just would not be eligible to play.
he would have an NHL contract but no teams

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the contract isnt in effect until he initially clears waivers or is claimed. He doesnt have an NMC yet.


also, please source your quotes.
Where in the CBA does it say that a player's contract doesn't go into effect until he has cleared waivers, just because he was playing in a European league?

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he would have an NHL contract but no teams
No. He would have a signed contract with the Red Wings, duly registered with the League. The Wings could not ask waivers on him unless he were under contract.

Theoretically, he could then invoke his NMC which would prevent him from being put on waivers, leaving him under contract with the Wings, technically on the Active Roster, but ineligible to play.

In that (very, very, very unlikely case) he could theoretically earn his salary and have a cap hit while not playing. The Wings could try to suspend him or try to void the SPC, but I don't beleive they would be able to. Ultimately it would be up to the Impartial Arbitartor to rule on the grievance that would be filed by one side or the other.

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yeah, just checked article 11 for clarity, but none.

'league outside NA' is only referenced in 13.23, and there it is worded "cannot play". Technically speaking, as KDB clarified, the spc is in effect, but nabby cannot play until after waivers.


NMC wording is ambiguous in the CBA. It says a player can block movement by 'waiver claim'. Literally speaking, the player can be placed on waivers involuntarily, but may reject the move once claimed.



this may actually be kenny's loophole.

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Where in the CBA does it say that a player's contract doesn't go into effect until he has cleared waivers, just because he was playing in a European league?
His contract would be in effect, he just wouldn't be eligible to play until he goes through waivers.

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yeah, just checked article 11 for clarity, but none.

'league outside NA' is only referenced in 13.23, and there it is worded "cannot play". Technically speaking, as KDB clarified, the spc is in effect, but nabby cannot play until after waivers.


NMC wording is ambiguous in the CBA. It says a player can block movement by 'waiver claim'. Literally speaking, the player can be placed on waivers involuntarily, but may reject the move once claimed.



this may actually be kenny's loophole.
Wow, if that's the case, very smart and sneaky on Holland's part. Though I'd imagine that they would close this loophole up somehow if this really is the case.

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Where in the CBA does it say that a player's contract doesn't go into effect until he has cleared waivers, just because he was playing in a European league?
Uhh...that's the whole point of the rule; you have to give the other teams in a league a crack at a player coming over from a European league before you can do anything else. If you could just arbitrarily throw a no-movement clause of some kind on a 1-year deal to avoid the rule it would be a pretty stupid rule.

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Uhh...that's the whole point of the rule; you have to give the other teams in a league a crack at a player coming over from a European league before you can do anything else. If you could just arbitrarily throw a no-movement clause of some kind on a 1-year deal to avoid the rule it would be a pretty stupid rule.
What's written and agreed upon matters more than what is intended. See Bobby Lou's, Hossa's, Franzen's and Zetterbergs contracts.

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yeah, just checked article 11 for clarity, but none.
NMC wording is ambiguous in the CBA. It says a player can block movement by 'waiver claim'. Literally speaking, the player can be placed on waivers involuntarily, but may reject the move once claimed.
Can you supply me a quote on this please? The way I read it a player can block being put on waivers but once on waivers, he has no such right as he waived his NMC to go onto waivers.

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What's written and agreed upon matters more than what is intended. See Bobby Lou's, Hossa's, Franzen's and Zetterbergs contracts.
Say what now?

Nabokov is on waivers, it's fairly obvious in the case of the inter-season transfer rule that any movement clause negotiated in a contract is only valid after the initial, and obligatory waiver period. As mentioned, in the formulation of such a rule neglecting to take movement clauses into consideration would be pretty freaking stupid.

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Can you supply me a quote on this please? The way I read it a player can block being put on waivers but once on waivers, he has no such right as he waived his NMC to go onto waivers.
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(b) A no-move clause may prevent the involuntary relocation of a Player,
whether by Trade, Loan or Waiver claim. A no-move clause, however, may not restrict the Club's buy-out and termination rights as set forth in this Agreement. Prior to exercising its Ordinary Course Buy-Out rights pursuant to Paragraph 13 of the SPC
hereof, the Club shall, in writing in accordance with the notice provisions in Exhibit 3
hereof, provide the Player with the option of electing to be placed on Waivers. The
Player will have twenty-four (24) hours from the time he receives such notice to accept or reject that option at his sole discretion, and shall so inform the Club in writing, in accordance with the notice provisions in Exhibit 3 hereof, within such twenty-four (24) hour period. If the Player does not timely accept or reject that option, it will be deemed rejected.

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