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Nabokov to Detroit (570K), Nabby on waivers, claimed by the Islanders

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01-20-2011, 12:35 PM
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http://redwings.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=550045

Looks like it should be confirmed in some hours..


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The over 35 rule does NOT apply to Nabby, KDB explained on our board. His birthday falls outside the time limit, so he's still 'under 35'.

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01-20-2011, 12:42 PM
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No way he makes it to Detroit IMO because to fit in Detroit's cap space it has to be a cap friendly contract. Even in a 2 year deal it should be reasonably affordable. The NMC or NTC really wont matter much IMO.

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01-20-2011, 12:42 PM
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I'd like SFY to claim him. Roloson + Nabby = Oldest tandem ever!

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01-20-2011, 12:44 PM
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I'd like SFY to claim him. Roloson + Nabby = Oldest tandem ever!
I think St. Louis' old Plante/Hall platoon wins that.

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01-20-2011, 12:49 PM
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Well, if Osgood is out until the end of regular season and the other guys is out a couple of weeks more, they'll have plenty of room for a multi-million deal. You clear out Tatar, Mursak, MacDonald as well as the banked space from LTIR, and there is quite a bit there. Enough to keep the Flyers away, which has to be a priority since they're both good candidates for the Cup.
I forgot about Modano and Holmstrom as well in my post. Holmstrom aint on LTIR but could easily be moved to it and when Modano gets back there is more of a cap problem.

You can't just look at the now, you have to look into March and April, the Wings wouldn't sign Nabokov just to waive him 2 months from now.

a fully healthy Wings roster(minus Osgood looks like this)

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Johan Franzen ($3.954m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m)
Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Mike Modano ($1.750m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Patrick Eaves ($0.750m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m)
/ Kris Draper ($1.583m) / Drew Miller ($0.650m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Ruslan Salei ($1.100m)
Brian Rafalski ($6.000m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($0.900m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($0.716m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $58,208,710; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,191,290

So the Wings would only have 1.2 million for Nabokov. If Modano doesn't come back, ~3. If Hudler is traded its closer to 4.5 million. So in order for the Wings to pay Nabokov 6 million they'd have to move Hudler and not bring back Modano until the playoffs. Which won't happen.



(I'm assuming your talking about a 1 year deal worth 6+ million. If your talking about a 2 year deal then forget everything I said because a 2 year deal + NTC/NMC may scare teams away from claiming him.)

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01-20-2011, 12:51 PM
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I forgot about Modano and Holmstrom as well in my post. Holmstrom aint on LTIR but could easily be moved to it and when Modano gets back there is more of a cap problem.

a fully healthy Wings roster(minus Osgood looks like this)

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Johan Franzen ($3.954m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m)
Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Mike Modano ($1.750m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Patrick Eaves ($0.750m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m)
/ Kris Draper ($1.583m) / Drew Miller ($0.650m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Ruslan Salei ($1.100m)
Brian Rafalski ($6.000m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($0.900m)
/ Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($0.716m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $58,208,710; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,191,290

So the Wings would only have 1.2 million for Nabokov. If Modano doesn't come back or ~3. If Hudler is traded its closer to 4.5 million. So in order for the Wings to pay Nabokov 6 million they'd have to move Hudler and never bring back Modano. Which won't happen.



(I'm assuming your talking about a 1 year deal worth 6+ million. If your talking about a 2 year deal that forget everything I said because a 2 year deal + NTC/NMC may scare teams away from claiming him.)
Remember that the cap season ends when the regular season does, so there won't be many more days for Holmstrom, Cleary, Stuart, Modano, Osgood to count against the cap this season. You've calculated too little LTIR space.

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01-20-2011, 12:53 PM
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maybe st.louis will claim him

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maybe st.louis will claim him
already been said

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01-20-2011, 12:58 PM
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I don't think he'll make it through waivers personally. I could see teams snagging him just to keep Detroit from being competitive. It's what I would do if I was a rival GM.
i can gaurentee someone picks him up to keep him away from detriot.. i know chicago doesnt have the cap space or else they would

possibly someone like Colorado may want a solid backup goalie over Budaj

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01-20-2011, 12:59 PM
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Who are the teams left with goalie holes?

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But what's the incentive for Nabby to sign a 2-year deal @ $2m per? Why not just sign a 1-yr deal and wait for UFA period next offseason?





But then what do the Wings do with the players on LTIR? They'd have to clear space at some point, right?
It would depend on when they came back. If they do not come back during the regular season it would not matter. Because in the playoffs nothing counts against the salary cap.

But not everyone will be out that long, so yes when they come back they would have to clear space. Which only strengthens what I was saying. I was saying even IF they signed Nabokov to the maximum of what they can at this point in time. Someone would grab him up on the waiver wire.

Even though they "can" sign him for their maximum space, they "can't" because they would have to clear room for him/other players coming off of LTIR as they do.

So they will have to sign him to a lower cap hit, in which case there are a lot of teams that would snag him on the wire regardless of how high of a playoff bonus the Wings put in the contract.

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Remember that the cap season ends when the regular season does, so there won't be many more days for Holmstrom, Cleary, Stuart, Modano, Osgood to count against the cap this season. You've calculated too little LTIR space.
All those players will be back before the end of the regular season though, save MAYBE Modano and Osgood.

Datsyuk and Cleary will be back right after the break and Stuart and Homer are expected back mid February.

What I'm saying is no matter what the LTIR space is now those players aint out for the season so the LTIR space shrinks when they get back, which in the case of Datsyuk and Cleary is the All Star Break.

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Who are the teams left with goalie holes?
On the higher end of need
Tampa
Nashville

Need in the middle
Columbus

On the Lower end of need
Washington
Colorado

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Is there any truth to this? If Detroit signs him for a multi-year deal he does not have to clear waivers?

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Washington might claim him? The russian connection on the Capitals
Normally I beat people with a stick for suggesting that Washington needs/wants Nabokov. GMGM has shown no interest in the past and everything points towards the Caps being happy with their young tandem.
But with both Varly and Neuvy battling injuries currently, and Holtby being called up to start tonight, maybe GMGM is rethinking things. Still doubt the Capitals claim him, though.

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He left a multimillion dollar deal in Russia to return to the NHL. My guess is he's after hardware here, not cash.
He left that deal for family reasons (American wife/family not enjoying Russia is the common guess), not because of hockey reasons. He signed the big money deal instead of gunning for NHL hardware this offseason. You really think a few months in Russia changed that?

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Who are the teams left with goalie holes?
Ottawa, they might be likely to claim him depending on salary.

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On the higher end of need
Tampa
Nashville

Need in the middle
Columbus

On the Lower end of need
Washington
Colorado
Why Nashville??

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On the higher end of need
Tampa
Nashville

Need in the middle
Columbus

On the Lower end of need
Washington
Colorado
seriously? nashville? you realize pekka rinne is 3rd in the league in save % and 2nd in GAA?

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On the higher end of need
Tampa
Nashville

Need in the middle
Columbus

On the Lower end of need
Washington
Nashville has a potential Vezina winner and solid backup. Columbus would have to trade one of their goalies. Here's a better one:

On the higher end of need
Tampa

Need in the middle
Philly
Colorado

On the Lower end of need
Washington

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On the higher end of need
Tampa
Nashville

Need in the middle
Columbus

On the Lower end of need
Washington
Colorado
No Chicago?

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How does this whole waiver thing work? I mean, I know how it works, but why would a team wait until someone signs him so they can "steal" him (it's not really a steal since they had priority anyway, but why do they wait till a team jumps on him to THEN make a move?). Happened twice to StLouis and I just don't get it. Is it just because they don't want this team to get better? Or there's a rule or something?

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I meant to put Nashville in the middle. And not for starter position, more of having Nabokov behind Rinne if Rinne pulls... Well a Nabokov in the playoffs. lol

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I agree with Ottawa.

Obviously Washington considered a player due to his experience and the Russian factor.

Philly maybe in if they don't think Boucher is the answer. Nabby on that team would make the the favourites (even more so) for the Cup this year.

Colorado could also use him as Anderson has to lived up to his play from last year.

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id imagine the isles would claim him.

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