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02-27-2011, 11:52 PM
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How Long Does Mats Zuccarello Get a Pass From NYR fans ?

He hasn't scored a regulation goal in 16 games. if you're 5'7 rookie and you go 16 games without scoring in the NHL you should be sent down.

I know he's a shootout specialist, but how bout winning some games in regulation and in the playoffs their are no shootouts.

To me he gets a pass from both ranger fans and Torts.

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02-27-2011, 11:55 PM
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if the rangers manage to make the playoffs and hes invisible, 2011 will not be a pass and all those flags people bring to the garden will end up folded up and put away

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I dont look at goals or assists but you cant say the guy isnt creating plays out there. He is always hustling and is willing to battle.

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I dont look at goals or assists but you cant say the guy isnt creating plays out there. He is always hustling and is willing to battle.
i certainly agree with you there. he works hard. but with a team that is bereft of scoring on most nights, I think he is better served in the minors, the question is who can ya bring up at this point ?

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Who does score for this team? Maybe he should've been sent down but when your 40 goal scorer can only score vs sub .500 teams I'm not gonna get on Zuccarello's case.

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i certainly agree with you there. he works hard. but with a team that is bereft of scoring on most nights, I think he is better served in the minors, the question is who can ya bring up at this point ?

No one that will bring to the table what MZA brings. He adds another dimension which this team lacks which is creativity and good passing.

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02-28-2011, 12:04 AM
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If we weren't so banged up, and if we weren't sorely lacking creativity and playmaking, I'd say yeah he needs more time in the AHL. But I'm hoping he'll get his confidence up sooner than later and start potting some. His line always seems to get a few chances per game, but he's not finishing. And Wolski is sometimes great and sometimes invisible. It's tough.

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I think that he has played exceptional just because he has not put up the points doesnt mean that he has not played well he is very physical and a really good playmaker give him time and he will be very good

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Out of the people available at the deadline, there has to be someone who can pot some goals out there we can get for cheap so he can be sent down, if that is the case.

He definitely creates chances and has the skill to play in the NHL, but it looks like he might need a little more time.

The other thing is his greatest asset is his playmaking ability. Not saying he doesn't have a good enough shot to score, but he makes some very nice passes.

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and who would play in his place?? it might be different is we had guys sitting in the press box but are you gonna fix the lack of scoring by sending him down so dale weise can play?

and in those 16 games he has 8 assists, averages 2 shots per game and has looked pretty good lately moving the puck on the pp. so he hasn't been scoring but its not like he's invisible, he's been involved

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Kid isn't scoring much but he is contributing in other ways, which is more then some other persons.

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The M- MZA must put up pts to stay up, its as easy as that.

Like 0,4-0,5 PPG or something ought to be enough, thats what you see from a lot of rookies. Recently, he have not been able to get those pts. On some occasions, he have been involved in goals, but not got any assist. But he must get it done.

I do not necessary think goals are a must though.

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He hasn't scored a regulation goal in 16 games. if you're 5'7 rookie and you go 16 games without scoring in the NHL you should be sent down.

I know he's a shootout specialist, but how bout winning some games in regulation and in the playoffs their are no shootouts.

To me he gets a pass from both ranger fans and Torts.
Have we followed the same hockey games?

1. Name 5 players on this team who are more creative and creating as much as Zuccarello? There are some, but I want you to name 5 players that create more and who bleeds more for this club than he does?

2. Who do you think should take his place?

3. I understand the statistics are of great importance in the NHL and it is of course important, but you must also look at how Zucccarello creating opportunities for teammates when he does not produce points.


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hes had an up and down season. all in all im fairly happy with his play.

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Yeah, there is literally no one in Hartford that could do a better job than MZA.

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I'm gonna go with some of the comments here and ask "How many guys creates more than he does?"

Ok, so his numbers aren't the best, but every shift he is out there something tend to happen. Well, 7/10 shifts. But when he plays with Wolski and Stepan something happens nearly EVERY FREAKING shift. Earlier this season when he made some awsome passes I thought that other players weren't following him on his passes, though they were magnificent!

The kid needs to stay. He will break trough eventually, and it has nothing to do with a free pass. Hockey is more than just goals and assists as long as someone else is taking care of THAT job. (In our case few does, so it looks a hell of a lot nastier than it really is)

...My two cents

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I agree that he does not deserve a spot on this team if he does not produce in the next five games, but what about the others who do not produce?
I think Zucca has a positive effect on the coach, players and fans at the moment.

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Zuke is actually on a better pace than his most comparative diminutive winger was in his un-drafted 23-year old season. For comparison, look at Martin St. Louis first 3 years in the NHL. Largely mediocre. In his 4th NHL season, he became a 70+ point player and never looked back. I think it's reasonable to expect Zuccarello to have a 45 game- 5 goal - 25 point season in his first in the NHL (I had him as a 40-point guy over 80 games). He has had very little time to adjust, having played under 30 NHL games to date. That actually puts him ahead of where St. Louis was at his age. I think next season the expectations should realistically be around 20g, 45p with a full NHL year. That puts him right on schedule to become a St. Louis-like force in his 3rd NHL season, if he is to fill his potential. I think with some playing time, the Rangers might actually have a Lecavalier-St. Louis like duo in 2 years with Step/Dubi and Zuke (I know Step isn't QUITE as big as Lecavalier, but he is certainly not small).

I know it's considered a "long-shot" that Zuke hits that, but I realistically expect that in 2 seasons, he will be a 65+ point NHL forward with the right center, whether that is Step, Richards, Dubi, or someone else. Guys like him take more time than instant gratification, and I'm willing to wait it out on him. As others have said, it's not like the Rangers have anyone buried in the minors who is pressuring for his roster spot, and this isn't a Stanley Cup contender right now, anyhow.

As a side note, the more I watch this team, the more I believe that getting Richards in the off-season is actually a great idea, but not for what he brings next season. A line-up of a fully NHL-versed Stepan and Zuke with Richards and Gaborik could become this teams Lecav-MSL-Richards-Stillman for that 2003-2004 Lightning squad.

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29 games
16 points
5 shootout goals
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44 hits
16 blocked shots
2 penalty minutes
4 giveaways
10 takeaways

how is he getting a free pass?

Both him and Avery has been playing great even though they struggled to score goals.

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Indeed. His points compared to his fellow wingers are better than most, so no reasons to complain at all. Despite him getting PP time as well, what about the other 4 players out there? Not exactly like they're tearing it up is it?

Anisimov is the guy we should worry about!

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Have we followed the same hockey games?

1. Name 5 players on this team who are more creative and creating as much as Zuccarello? There are some, but I want you to name 5 players that create more and who bleeds more for this club than he does?

2. Who do you think should take his place?

3. I understand the statistics are of great importance in the NHL and it is of course important, but you must also look at how Zucccarello creating opportunities for teammates when he does not produce points.
1. yes we are watching the same games. if he's so creative right now how come he has gone 16 games without scoring in the NHL.

Bottom line is production especially for a guy who's only reason to be here is to put pucks in the net.

I think MZA needs to be in Connecticut to develop his game not learning on the fly in the NHL. Especially when he is here to score and doesn't.

You are making a comparison to other players on the team. I'm asking you a rookie who goes 16 games without scoring may not belong on any NHL club no less the Rangers.

I'm sure plenty of players on the Whale can go 16 games without scoring a goal.

He is strong on the puck and works hard. He is a very likeable player and I want him to succeed.

But how long is he absolved from any criticism ?

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I agree that he does not deserve a spot on this team if he does not produce in the next five games, but what about the others who do not produce?
I think Zucca has a positive effect on the coach, players and fans at the moment.
The coach is in love with him. that's why he doesn't sit. he doesn't belong on the PP point either.

He belongs up front. he is a supposed goal scorer same with Wolski.

You put your best shootout players at the point on a PP. Doesn't make sense

BTw every time i criticize a player he goes off. So lets hope MZA gets it going.

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I'm sure plenty of players on the Whale can go 16 games without scoring a goal.
I believe you can use logic to answer your own question about why he ISN'T in the AHL. Yes, there are hundreds of ECHL and AHL players who can go 16 NHL games without scoring a goal. But none of them on the Rangers or their affiliates are as intriguing a prospect as Zuke. Why would you put an AHLer on the Rangers who would have the same production as Zuke? That doesn't help the Rangers now or in the future. I love all the arm-chair GMs. Why is it so much of a better idea to have him in the AHL? It worked for St. Louis (his prime comparison), and thousands of other NHL players to hammer it out in the NHL, why does every prospect have to be in the AHL if they aren't immediate NHL producers in 30 NHL games as an undrafted rookie? Because NHL 2011 says so? He has shown the ability to hang with the NHLers, and in the long run, the coach and GM that have the say feel he is best served working on his game against the guys they hope he will face daily for the next 10 years. Why is that so wrong?

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The coach is in love with him. that's why he doesn't sit. he doesn't belong on the PP point either.

He belongs up front. he is a supposed goal scorer same with Wolski.

You put your best shootout players at the point on a PP. Doesn't make sense
Why not? Where should they be? A 160 pound Zuke getting pounded on by the Chara-Weber-Pronger's of the world on a power-play? You want your best talent out there on the ice, but the idea that the best skilled shooters on the team should be parked in front is insane. That's fine for guys like Patric Hornqvist, who are tailor-made to take the beating to pot the trash goals from in front, but I don't want Zuccarello getting unnecessarily pounded on on an already atrocious power-play regardless of who of the Ranger forwards are on the ice and where they are positioned.

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I'm certainly no arm chair GM or ever played a NHL 11 game.

Yes she can hang with the NHL'ers. But to me that's just not enough. Player development is what I care about and I feel its being stunted by keeping this kid up when he isnt scoring.

If Grachev came up and didn't score in 16 games with the quality playing time MZA gets. Fans would want his head.

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