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02-02-2011, 03:35 PM
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Dubi's hip was a little sore from getting flipped in front of the crease on that one sequence.

Both will play Thursday.
Just saw that was posted by Zipay after I posted. Good news, will we see
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Callahan
Avery-Prospal-Gaborik
Wolski-Stepan-Zuccarello
Drury-Boyle-Prust

I wish...

I'm expecting
Prospal-Stepan-Gaborik
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Callahan
Avery-Boyle-Prust
Wolski-Drury-Zuccarello

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So Feds is essentially out for the month of February, now, up until the deadline.

Avery's spot in the lineup must be safe for the time being, then.

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So Feds is essentially out for the month of February, now, up until the deadline.

Avery's spot in the lineup must be safe for the time being, then.
Drury's might be too. If Prospal clicks with Gaborik, how does E.C. fit in? I could see him being a healthy scratch for most games. He's not getting a spot just because he's good in the shootout.

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Just saw that was posted by Zipay after I posted. Good news, will we see
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Callahan
Avery-Prospal-Gaborik
Wolski-Stepan-Zuccarello
Drury-Boyle-Prust

I wish...

I'm expecting
Prospal-Stepan-Gaborik
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Callahan
Avery-Boyle-Prust
Wolski-Drury-Zuccarello

Hmmm Wolski and Zuccs on the 4th?

Wolski - Boyle - Zuccarello
Avery - Drury - Prust

?

I still like that Zuccarello - Stepan - Cally line... i would try them out again together. Geez there are so many options.

Anyway you cut it, if Prospal can perform to his abilities, thats the deepest lineup we've seen in a while for this team.

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Hmmm Wolski and Zuccs on the 4th?

Wolski - Boyle - Zuccarello
Avery - Drury - Prust

?

I still like that Zuccarello - Stepan - Cally line... i would try them out again together. Geez there are so many options.

Anyway you cut it, if Prospal can perform to his abilities, thats the deepest lineup we've seen in a while for this team.
They may the 4th line in order, but the boyle line is a defensive line that I would use against teams top lines (Kovalchuk) so they will get more minutes. I agree Zucc and Wolski are not 4th liners, but on a deep team, they have to go somewhere.

I just rather see Boyle used in a shutdown role, to get him on the ice more, and he scores A LOT of transition goals from good defensive plays as does prust, I would prefer we keep them together.

Just my opinion.

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for when Prospal gets back into it...

Prospal-Stepan-Gaborik
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Zuccarello
Wolski-Boyle-Callahan
Avery-Drury-Prust

swap Prospal/Dubinsky and/or Stepan/Anisimov when needed.

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for when Prospal gets back into it...

Prospal-Stepan-Gaborik
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Zuccarello
Wolski-Boyle-Callahan
Avery-Drury-Prust

swap Prospal/Dubinsky and/or Stepan/Anisimov when needed.
I don't see Boyle and Prust being broken up... Even the morons doing the Versus telecast talked about how well those 2 feed off each other, if they can notice it, I am sure torts knows it and won't mess with it.

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Just saw that was posted by Zipay after I posted. Good news, will we see
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Callahan
Avery-Prospal-Gaborik
Wolski-Stepan-Zuccarello
Drury-Boyle-Prust

I wish...

I'm expecting
Prospal-Stepan-Gaborik
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Callahan
Avery-Boyle-Prust
Wolski-Drury-Zuccarello
interesting prospal is being thrown with gabby already, i would have expected prospal to just step in for newbury:

prospal-drury-avery

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interesting prospal is being thrown with gabby already, i would have expected prospal to just step in for newbury:

prospal-drury-avery
Prospal and Gaborik will play together, I am pretty sure when they asked Vinny if he could get Gabby going he responded that hopefully Gabby can get him going. I would be surprised to see Prospal not with Gabby tomorrow.

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According to Zipay and Gross today, Stepan was skating in between Prospal and Gaborik.

Prospal - Stepan - Gaborik
Dubinsky - Anisimov - Callahan
Wolski - Boyle - Zuccarello
Avery - Drury - Prust

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According to Zipay and Gross today, Stepan was skating in between Prospal and Gaborik.

Prospal - Stepan - Gaborik
Dubinsky - Anisimov - Callahan
Wolski - Boyle - Zuccarello
Avery - Drury - Prust

??
that's probably the best combos to throw out there. only problem is breaking up boyle/prust.

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that's probably the best combos to throw out there. only problem is breaking up boyle/prust.
I'm fine with it. Then when Feds comes back Avery or Drury can be scratched. Not sure where EC is going to play when he comes back, Trade coming??

There is no way that Steps or Zuccs get sent down so someone will have to be traded or get scratched. We have too many forwards I guess when everyone comes back, ironic I guess

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that's probably the best combos to throw out there. only problem is breaking up boyle/prust.
I would prefer we do this

dubinsky-anisimov-callahan
avery-prospal-gaborik
wolski-stepan-zuccarello
drury-boyle-prust

3 lines that cane score, and a shut down 4th line that can go against teams top lines

we also keep the stepan line together which has chemistry, we put the anisimov line back together, prospal and avery both have chemistry with gaborik, and keep boyle and prust together

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So Feds out till Trade Deadline and EC still needs a week. To be honest no big deal as long as no one gets hurt. Newbury is a fine spare F

Should give the lines a chance to get sorted out.

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As I mentioned, what will be interesting is the fourth line when everyone's healthy.

We know Torts doesn't like to roll lines.

No matter what happens you're losing minutes from a valuable player. Anisimov? Prust? No one knows how it will play out.


I also don't think there's any chance EC plays unless there's another injury.

I'd like for someone to try and justify a situation to me where EC plays. It just doesn't make any sense when you consider ANY of the players who would have to be removed from the lineup in order for it to happen.


And to the person who mentioned a trade, I just don't see it happening. Who is being traded? Anyone of value on our team is not going anywhere. No one wants EC. No one wants Drury, nor would they take on that contract. No one wants Avery. And Feds is the type of player Torts loves and wants in the playoffs.

Who would be traded? No one. Two players will be scratched. And that will be that.

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I'd like for someone to try and justify a situation to me where EC plays. It just doesn't make any sense when you consider ANY of the players who would have to be removed from the lineup in order for it to happen.
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Callahan
Prospal-Christensen-Gaborik
Wolski-Stepan-Zuccarello
Avery-Boyle-Prust

Drury - 22 games 0 goals 4 assist 56.9 FOW percentage ATOI 12:21 shots 23
Christensen - 37 games 6 goals 8 assists 46.6 FOW percentage ATOI 13:21 shots 52

Drury provides 2 things, penalty killing and faceoffs, he provides close to no offense, has yet to develop any chemistry with any other players/linemates, and is not a shutdown center (which Brian Boyle is attempting to become)

Christensen is not as good on faceoffs as Drury, but Dubinsky, Boyle, and Anisimov have all been improving in the faceoff circle, so to dress drury only to take faceoffs is meaningless to me, especially when Newbury is 59.6 % so if we are going to dress someone just to take faceoffs it should be him. Christensen is not a penalty killer, but we have Dubinsky, Callahan, Anisimov, Stepan, Prospal, Boyle, and Prust who can all kill penalties. EC has chemistry with gaborik, EC is probably the best passer on the team and like avery has played at times knows that you have to find gaborik and get him the puck. EC is a deceptively fast skater, not the fastest at all but he can keep up with Gaborik, something I think Stepan has had trouble with thus far in his career, something drury cannot do. Christensen has 6 goals with an average TOI of 13:21. Out of our active players (not counting frolov) every player with more goals averages at least 2 more minutes of icetime a game except Prust who averages a minute more a game. EC is also killer in the shootout, yes we have Wolski, Zucc, and now Prospal, but EC has been very clutch in the shootout and every point counts as we all know from last year. I am not saying that drury should 100% sit and EC should play, but I don't think it is as cut and dry as you make it out to be. EC is a very creative offensive player who knows his job, feed Gaborik and if not use his great wrist shot to put the puck on net. He is not very flashy, but he is a player who if he plays with top talent, keeps it simple, and does his job can put up points, something a team who is having trouble scoring desperately needs. I listed Christensen's shot total because one thing I really like about EC is he shoots at the net from all angles (the goal vs the Pens) and he uses a wrist shot that usually hits the net unlike drury and his wind up slapper that almost always misses the net. Drury's role can be filled by other players, if he was more than just a faceoff specialist and PK I would not even be having this debate with you, but he provides little to nothing at this point.

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if you take the curent 12 F and then take out Drury(bought out or retire), Prospal, Fedotenko FA , trade EC and add Richards( not getting into the cap) you have

Dubinsky, Richards, Gaborik
Wolski, Anisimov, Callahan
Boyle, Stepan, Zuccarello
Avery, Prust, Boogaard.......room for a kid or cheap FA 4th line C. Newbury may be able to do that

That's how I would go into next yr

For the D I would keep it exactly the same and even bring back Eminger if he will accept a 7th Dman role on the cheap.

Lundy and Biron are a great combo in goal


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if you take the curent 12 F and then take out Drury(bought out or retire), Prospal, Fedotenko FA , trade EC and add Richards( not getting into the cap) you have

Dubinsky, Richards, Gaborik
Wolski, Anisimov, Callahan
Boyle, Stepan, Zuccarello
Avery, Prust, room for a kid or cheap FA 4th line C. Newbury may be able to do that

That's how I would go into next yr

For the D I would keep it exactly the same and even bring back Eminger if he will accept a 7th Dman role on the cheap.

Lundy and Biron are a great combo in goal
If there is one thing this season has shown is the importance of depth, and I have no problem ditching drury via buyout and maybe not having Prospal back unless he really tears it up the rest of the season, but I like having fedotenko and EC as both are rather cheap and can contribute.

I would love to add Richards as a free agent, but I think he is going to cost a lot of money and i don't know if we can afford him unless we decide to move a few players as Boyle, dubi, cally, artie, and sauer are all due raises and then we have to decide if we keep Eminger, Gilroy, and Fedotenko.

This off-season is going to be more interesting than usual, my bet is sather wants to stay away from adding a big money FA, but if Richards makes it to the market, there is no way he can stand pat and not push for him.

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If there is one thing this season has shown is the importance of depth, and I have no problem ditching drury via buyout and maybe not having Prospal back unless he really tears it up the rest of the season, but I like having fedotenko and EC as both are rather cheap and can contribute.

I would love to add Richards as a free agent, but I think he is going to cost a lot of money and i don't know if we can afford him unless we decide to move a few players as Boyle, dubi, cally, artie, and sauer are all due raises and then we have to decide if we keep Eminger, Gilroy, and Fedotenko.

This off-season is going to be more interesting than usual, my bet is sather wants to stay away from adding a big money FA, but if Richards makes it to the market, there is no way he can stand pat and not push for him.
agreed depth is great. Thing is you mentioned the cap and I think a guy like Feds deserves a raise and a 2 yr deal . I just don't think the Rangers can committ to that when Free Agency hits. EC is cheap but I dont see him helping on grinding 3rd and 4th lines.

they need the money coming off to resign the RFA's you mentioned. I think Gilroy is expendable so he becomes a UFA and Eminger has to take less money or they can find another cheap vet 7th.

The injuries have also shown there are guys like Grachev, Weise in the minors and a guy like Kreider and Hagelin could be coming in. Because of that not too concerned with depth more concerned with saving every penny signing the RFAs while finding room for Richards a true #1 C

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agreed depth is great. Thing is you mentioned the cap and I think a guy like Feds deserves a raise and a 2 yr deal . I just don't think the Rangers can committ to that when Free Agency hits. EC is cheap but I dont see him helping on grinding 3rd and 4th lines.

they need the money coming off to resign the RFA's you mentioned. I think Gilroy is expendable so he becomes a UFA and Eminger has to take less money or they can find another cheap vet 7th.

The injuries have also shown there are guys like Grachev, Weise in the minors and a guy like Kreider and Hagelin could be coming in. Because of that not too concerned with depth more concerned with saving every penny signing the RFAs while finding room for Richards a true #1 C
I'd be very surprised if Fedotenko got a 2 year deal, I'd expect another one year deal as I doubt any team would give him a 2 year deal. EC is fine as a 13th forward if we can manage to sign richards should he reach Free agency and we aren't forced to deal Anisimov because of salary cap issues.

You do bring up a good point, a rookie or two may make this team, I doubt Weise does and Grachev looks like he needs a lot of work, Kreider will start in the AHl and I haven't seen enough of Hagelin to have an opinion on his game. All of that being said look how many rookies made the team this year, it is possible 1-2 manages to make the team next season.

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Dubinsky-Anisimov-Callahan
Prospal-Christensen-Gaborik
Wolski-Stepan-Zuccarello
Avery-Boyle-Prust

Drury - 22 games 0 goals 4 assist 56.9 FOW percentage ATOI 12:21 shots 23
Christensen - 37 games 6 goals 8 assists 46.6 FOW percentage ATOI 13:21 shots 52

Drury provides 2 things, penalty killing and faceoffs, he provides close to no offense, has yet to develop any chemistry with any other players/linemates, and is not a shutdown center (which Brian Boyle is attempting to become)

Christensen is not as good on faceoffs as Drury, but Dubinsky, Boyle, and Anisimov have all been improving in the faceoff circle, so to dress drury only to take faceoffs is meaningless to me, especially when Newbury is 59.6 % so if we are going to dress someone just to take faceoffs it should be him. Christensen is not a penalty killer, but we have Dubinsky, Callahan, Anisimov, Stepan, Prospal, Boyle, and Prust who can all kill penalties. EC has chemistry with gaborik, EC is probably the best passer on the team and like avery has played at times knows that you have to find gaborik and get him the puck. EC is a deceptively fast skater, not the fastest at all but he can keep up with Gaborik, something I think Stepan has had trouble with thus far in his career, something drury cannot do. Christensen has 6 goals with an average TOI of 13:21. Out of our active players (not counting frolov) every player with more goals averages at least 2 more minutes of icetime a game except Prust who averages a minute more a game. EC is also killer in the shootout, yes we have Wolski, Zucc, and now Prospal, but EC has been very clutch in the shootout and every point counts as we all know from last year. I am not saying that drury should 100% sit and EC should play, but I don't think it is as cut and dry as you make it out to be. EC is a very creative offensive player who knows his job, feed Gaborik and if not use his great wrist shot to put the puck on net. He is not very flashy, but he is a player who if he plays with top talent, keeps it simple, and does his job can put up points, something a team who is having trouble scoring desperately needs. I listed Christensen's shot total because one thing I really like about EC is he shoots at the net from all angles (the goal vs the Pens) and he uses a wrist shot that usually hits the net unlike drury and his wind up slapper that almost always misses the net. Drury's role can be filled by other players, if he was more than just a faceoff specialist and PK I would not even be having this debate with you, but he provides little to nothing at this point.

Gaborik needs to move his feet before we start worrying about other players not keeping up with him.

Drury at least skates. Gives 100% effort. Has heart. Has pride. Has guts. Cares about the game. Has emotion...all qualities Gaborik lacks.

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Gaborik needs to move his feet before we start worrying about other players not keeping up with him.

Drury at least skates. Gives 100% effort. Has heart. Has pride. Has guts. Cares about the game. Has emotion...all qualities Gaborik lacks.
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Gaborik needs to move his feet before we start worrying about other players not keeping up with him.

Drury at least skates. Gives 100% effort. Has heart. Has pride. Has guts. Cares about the game. Has emotion...all qualities Gaborik lacks.
Um - can I have some of that good stuff Cochise?

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Let Vinny play 8 or 9 games - if he is up to par trade him together with Gilroy, Drury and Christ and some prospects/picks...

DREAM SCENARIO
  • Gilroy + Washingtons 2011 2nd + a midlevel prospect for a vet UFA D (basically one of Pitkannen, Jovo or Kaberle - not McCabe pls)
  • Horak + 2011 3rd rounder to Buffalo for Connolly (UFA)
  • Christ to ATL for Modin (Torts guy - UFA)
  • Drury for Colorados 2011 3rd rounder (optimally) or to Anaheim for Jason Blake (2011 contract)
  • Vinny + Kundratek to CBJ for Tyutin (2011 contract)

This does not deplete our assets or our longterm Prospect Park imo - but make us into an interesting "Dark Horse" this spring...
Then - use the available cash to resign our RFAs (Dubi, Cally, AA, Boyle) and UFAs (Sauer, ev Eminger?, ev Feds?), sign Richards and a vet D.
One of Hagelin/Kreider/Grachev make it in camp
Maybe The Boogeyman retires - then a cheaper replacement needs to be found for next year...
Eventually we might need to buy out Blake

All easier said than done...
But looking interesting

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Why must you always make up these impossible scenarios for the trade deadline every year? :

At some point you gotta realize these never happen and just because you fantasize about it every trade deadline it won't happen, no matter how much blackmail Sather has on other GMs.

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