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01-21-2011, 02:12 AM
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Well, the bolded sentence is pretty much why Hordi's ineffective. Pitt, Philly, Anaheim, and a handful of other teams have some highly skilled guys and guys who're effective enforcers. Detroit has highly skilled guys (as do the others, Detroit just does't have a fighter) who are VERY physical. We just have some skilled guys who tend to shy away from physical play.

What I'm trying to say, and I think you and the others get it, is that with those teams, the rest of the team skates around roughing up the opposition, and they've got a tough guy who can back up their play when necessary. As I said with Boogaard, Shelly, Engelland, Asham, and Godard being on those teams. Detroit's just a juggernaut. Florida is squarely relying on Allen at times and Hordi for the rough stuff. That's ineffective and doesn't work.

I don't think all enforcers are useful, helpful, or necessary. I personally think aside from Hordi (who I just don't think hurts this team, actually does some good things out there when he's allowed to be, and I just don't think DeBoer will ever trust a tough guy period), the Panthers could use a guy like Rypien, or Neil. Neil much moreso, but about everyone will go with Rypien, and he's a very good fighter. (though, apparently not all that right in the head).

I honestly thought Hordi was going to be used and be much more effective than Belak or MacIntyre were, but DeBoer just doesn't use enforcers.
I agree. You can't do team toughness by grafting it on. It's got to come from within.

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Just another example of pd's inability to handle vets, and his inherent softness. Hordi has been great for the team, has not been a liability. And there was no reason to shut him down after the fight, IMHO. Another pissed off experienced player..geez
Well here's a first, I kinda agree with Deboer and not you!

I think Hordi should be a 7 minute player, but not a 10-15 minute player.

DUCO on the other hand with his energy and constant will to move his ass should be a 10 minute player!

...well said Laus723, I don't think I've disagreed with you much at all lately.

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hordi does more than fight. he is physical, tough in the corners, generates enthusiasm and helps swing momentum. when we have a lead and the other team is dominating and getting physical who else do we have to blunt some of that and bring his own physical play? hordi should be used more, he's not a liability!!! he may not be a goal scorer, but he's a heart and sole player that can swing momentum!!! deboer never utilises these type of players to the detrement of the team. i have seen our true 4th line with hordi out there have some dominant shifts and swing momentum!!!!! it's not only about scoring goals, threre's a lot of other aspects of the game that contribute to winning!!!!

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hordi does more than fight. he is physical, tough in the corners, generates enthusiasm and helps swing momentum. when we have a lead and the other team is dominating and getting physical who else do we have to blunt some of that and bring his own physical play? hordi should be used more, he's not a liability!!! he may not be a goal scorer, but he's a heart and sole player that can swing momentum!!! deboer never utilises these type of players to the detrement of the team. i have seen our true 4th line with hordi out there have some dominant shifts and swing momentum!!!!! it's not only about scoring goals, threre's a lot of other aspects of the game that contribute to winning!!!!
As reported by Ofp , he was benched tonight because of his comments; Aka "boyntoned"


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As reported by Ofp , he was benched tonight because of his comments; Aka "boyntoned"
The Panthers were short, in terms of D men. I thought it was a good move.

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As reported by Ofp , he was benched tonight because of his comments; Aka "boyntoned"
as i said in the GDT, this isn't true.

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as i said in the GDT, this isn't true.
Its exactly true, holy, its exactly what OFP reported..

"On Frozen Pond ‎#FlaPanthers are scratching Darcy Hordichuk, going with 7 d-men v #Lightning ... team apparently not happy with Hordichuk "upset with playing time" story in Miami Herald"

So when the poster reported it, he was correct, based on a beat writer, and didn't deserve to be trashed.

That GR then becomes equivocal, not sure one way or another, is different. So as we sit here now I agree we just dont know.

Regardless, ive walked out of the arena 3 times in 5 days to 3 ot losses, 3 leads blown, an 0-11 pp the last 2 games with a pp coach that defies all odds by keeping his job; the Hordy thing is the least of my concerns.

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Its exactly true, holy, its exactly what OFP reported..

"On Frozen Pond ‎#FlaPanthers are scratching Darcy Hordichuk, going with 7 d-men v #Lightning ... team apparently not happy with Hordichuk "upset with playing time" story in Miami Herald"

So when the poster reported it, he was correct, based on a beat writer, and didn't deserve to be trashed.

That GR then becomes equivocal, not sure one way or another, is different. So as we sit here now I agree we just dont know.

Regardless, ive walked out of the arena 3 times in 5 days to 3 ot losses, 3 leads blown, an 0-11 pp the last 2 games with a pp coach that defies all odds by keeping his job; the Hordy thing is the least of my concerns.
Don't know anything about anyone being trashed, but here's the post i'm referring to:

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=3...4&postcount=47

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I've been positively surprised with Hordi stick handling / playing along the boards in the offensive zone when he's gotten ice time with us and he's no defensive liability

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as i said in the GDT, this isn't true.
FYI holy here it was reported in the other beat writers blog:



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January 21, 2011 at 7:30 pm
Hordiís scratched. Apparently Pete wasnít happy with him complaining about ice time. Garrison giving it a go. Higgy still out.

So both reported it. The only basis is to believe it true.

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I love the narrow and mechanistic view of the DeBoer critics on these boards. When anything goes somewhat awry he always seems to be the scapegoat. The evidence supporting PD's ineptitude when dealing with players is minuscule as it primarily rests on a single pillar- the Boynton affair. Hordichuk having limited playing time I see to be an axiomatic truth- limited ice time is implied for one in an enforcer's role. Hordichuk's physicality and intimidation is overblown. The opposing team certainly do not shake in their skates when he takes the ice, and often times his physicality has resulted in unnecessary penalties despite his limited ice time. Furthermore, perhaps Hordi has yet to be seen as liability because he has not been given significant ice-time. The Panthers are much more likely to see Booth score a goal being double-shifted than Hordichuk playing five extra minutes.

I'm puzzled as to how Hordichuk has so apparently outplayed Bernier.
The Boynton situation was a collosal failure by Debouer. That team should have made the playoffs, they were on a roll in the middle of the season and the playoffs looked like a given. Debouer, being the minor league coach that he is, chose to make an example of a resepcted veteran leader on the team, the only player on a soft team that was ever willing to stand up for his teammates. The team went straight downhill after that. He has shown us he has no idea how to coahc veterans, he is a minor league coach at heart, and he has no value for toughness, which is why we lost Booth for an entire season and almost cost him his career. Please bring in a real NHL calliber coach................

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FYI holy here it was reported in the other beat writers blog:



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Hordiís scratched. Apparently Pete wasnít happy with him complaining about ice time. Garrison giving it a go. Higgy still out.

So both reported it. The only basis is to believe it true.
I asked GR straight up, "GR - settle a debate for me... Various people are wondering why Hordi was scratched. You and Fialkov reported that PDB wasn't happy with Hordi's comments about ice time. Is that true, or just speculation?"

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Complete speculation...they needed 7 D in case Garrison cramped up and couldn't go

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If anything they should give Hordichuk less ice time and bring up a kid or something to fill his spot and take the 4th line shift.

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I asked GR straight up, "GR - settle a debate for me... Various people are wondering why Hordi was scratched. You and Fialkov reported that PDB wasn't happy with Hordi's comments about ice time. Is that true, or just speculation?"

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Then that's it then. I'm good on anything from gr

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The Boynton situation was a collosal failure by Debouer. That team should have made the playoffs, they were on a roll in the middle of the season and the playoffs looked like a given. Debouer, being the minor league coach that he is, chose to make an example of a resepcted veteran leader on the team, the only player on a soft team that was ever willing to stand up for his teammates. The team went straight downhill after that. He has shown us he has no idea how to coahc veterans, he is a minor league coach at heart, and he has no value for toughness, which is why we lost Booth for an entire season and almost cost him his career. Please bring in a real NHL calliber coach................
Oh, I almost forgot. Who was the coach at the helm that season we lost the tie breaker? The one who's system turned the team around. I can't really remember his name.
He has no value for toughness? Because he won't play enforces for more than five minutes a game? Get out. To assume that Booth's injury had anything to do with the Panther's lack of toughness is absurd. Your post is nonsense.

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Oh, I almost forgot. Who was the coach at the helm that season we lost the tie breaker? The one who's system turned the team around. I can't really remember his name.
He has no value for toughness? Because he won't play enforces for more than five minutes a game? Get out. To assume that Booth's injury had anything to do with the Panther's lack of toughness is absurd. Your post is nonsense.
Yup.

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Oh, I almost forgot. Who was the coach at the helm that season we lost the tie breaker? The one who's system turned the team around. I can't really remember his name.
He has no value for toughness? Because he won't play enforces for more than five minutes a game? Get out. To assume that Booth's injury had anything to do with the Panther's lack of toughness is absurd. Your post is nonsense.
Agreed.

The closest we've ever come to the Playoffs in the last decade was under DeBoer, with arguably one of our weakest rosters. Something 'established NHL coaches' such as the likes of Martin were unable to do.

Regarding the Booth injury comment, its completely asinine to say it wouldn't have happened if we were a tougher team. Maybe we would have responded differently during that game, but Booth would still be injured.

I assure you, no one is shaking in their boots when Hordichuk is on the ice. Since the establishment of the instigator rule, Enforcers have quickly become antiquated. Every player knows that even if they cheapshot someone, they can just skate away from the fight with the enforcer, and come out of the affair without going shorthanded.

Team toughness has to come on an aggregate level. Sticking a pugilist who can barely skate on the bench and thinking you're a tough team is silly. "Tough" teams have a core of players who can grind it out in the corners, throw the body, AND play solid hockey both defensively and offensively.

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Agreed.

The closest we've ever come to the Playoffs in the last decade was under DeBoer, with arguably one of our weakest rosters. Something 'established NHL coaches' such as the likes of Martin were unable to do.

Regarding the Booth injury comment, its completely asinine to say it wouldn't have happened if we were a tougher team. Maybe we would have responded differently during that game, but Booth would still be injured.

I assure you, no one is shaking in their boots when Hordichuk is on the ice. Since the establishment of the instigator rule, Enforcers have quickly become antiquated. Every player knows that even if they cheapshot someone, they can just skate away from the fight with the enforcer, and come out of the affair without going shorthanded.

Team toughness has to come on an aggregate level. Sticking a pugilist who can barely skate on the bench and thinking you're a tough team is silly. "Tough" teams have a core of players who can grind it out in the corners, throw the body, AND play solid hockey both defensively and offensively.
While I'll certainly concede DeBoer improved the team from the previous year, that was one of, if not our best rosters this decade. No way would I consider that roster weak.

The offense was good with Booth and Weiss putting up 60 points each, Stillman putting up almost 50 points, the emergence of Frolik and the CPR line.

The defense was good with Bouwmeester (before he went downhill after the deadline), Ballard playing outstanding, McCabe and Skrastins playing good, and Cullimore and Boynton at least being serviceable at their roles.

The goaltending was outstanding with Vokoun and Anderson.

That 2008-09 team should have been a playoff team.

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While I'll certainly concede DeBoer improved the team from the previous year, that was one of, if not our best rosters this decade. No way would I consider that roster weak.

The offense was good with Booth and Weiss putting up 60 points each, Stillman putting up almost 50 points, the emergence of Frolik and the CPR line.

The defense was good with Bouwmeester (before he went downhill after the deadline), Ballard playing outstanding, McCabe and Skrastins playing good, and Cullimore and Boynton at least being serviceable at their roles.

The goaltending was outstanding with Vokoun and Anderson.

That 2008-09 team should have been a playoff team.
So when a roster plays well it's not attributable to the coach, but when a team plays poorly (this year) it is?

That's contradictory, and oddly convenient to the DeBoer haters who blame him for late game collapses.

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The Boynton situation was a collosal failure by Debouer. That team should have made the playoffs, they were on a roll in the middle of the season and the playoffs looked like a given. Debouer, being the minor league coach that he is, chose to make an example of a resepcted veteran leader on the team, the only player on a soft team that was ever willing to stand up for his teammates. The team went straight downhill after that. He has shown us he has no idea how to coahc veterans, he is a minor league coach at heart, and he has no value for toughness, which is why we lost Booth for an entire season and almost cost him his career. Please bring in a real NHL calliber coach................
Absolutely true. Agree 100%.

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I don't know if you guys know this, but Carolina once traded for Hordichuk's rights and he didn't sign with us and went on to sign with Vancouver because he wanted to play in a market where "people cared about hockey". Took a big shot across the bow at Southern hockey by saying that he wanted to play in Canada because they cared up there more than we do down here. Anybody defending this loser needs to realize he's a dime a dozen and probably doesn't think a lot about playing for the Panthers to start with. One of the few NHL players I have seen show that openly ignorant geographic bias.

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I don't know if you guys know this, but Carolina once traded for Hordichuk's rights and he didn't sign with us and went on to sign with Vancouver because he wanted to play in a market where "people cared about hockey". Took a big shot across the bow at Southern hockey by saying that he wanted to play in Canada because they cared up there more than we do down here. Anybody defending this loser needs to realize he's a dime a dozen and probably doesn't think a lot about playing for the Panthers to start with. One of the few NHL players I have seen show that openly ignorant geographic bias.
Bouwmeester says hello with regards to geographical bias.

Very interesting take though, thanks for bringing this to the surface.

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